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cowbanana

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Imagine being a Dev for rage 2 and reading this thread... "ok, i can write off any future bonuses based on good/high sales numbers, sigh"

Yes, it's sad when you stand with money in hand ready to buy a game, but then the publisher acts utterly dumb by going against what many potential customers want. It could be so easy to part with my money for this game, but they make it impossible by making business decisions I can't support.
 

Absolute

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Nov 6, 2017
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They could've written off any bonus/high sales when they realised they were working on Rage 2 and then realizing Epic and Bathesda came to this agreement but noooo its the consumers fault. Developers are entitled to my money.
 

Ardiloso

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Oct 27, 2017
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Brazil
They know how to put people down huh?
First only 1080p on Xbox One X and now pissing off PC crowd with crappy store number 99 exclusive release. Way to not sell a game.

Imagine being a Dev for rage 2 and reading this thread... "ok, i can write off any future bonuses based on good/high sales numbers, sigh"
Consumers aren't charity. Their money have to be earned.
 
Jan 16, 2019
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It's crazy when people come in here and try to play the empathy card like think of the devs, you're punishing them. All actions have consequences my dear sirs
 

UsoEwin

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Jul 14, 2018
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His point was probably more about how the dev would have zero role in making this decision, and would simply suffer the consequences of it.

If your point is "it doesn't matter if they personally decided on this, they deserve it," then... Ok? Whatever man. Very cool post.
And? They are selling a product. If people don't want it, they don't want it. As harsh as it sounds, they are not entitled to sales.
 

BlueOdin

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's crazy when people come in here and try to play the empathy card like think of the devs, you're punishing them. All actions have consequences my dear sirs

The devs most likely didn't make the decision and are most likely the first ones to face the consequences of these decisions. This is just sadly the systems.

Supporting it regardless however would also empower the higher-ups in them thinking they made a good decision.
 

demondance

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Oct 27, 2017
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And? They are selling a product. If people don't want it, they don't want it. As harsh as it sounds, they are not entitled to sales.

...his post was about developers, not executives. The developers get a salary and in many cases a sales-based bonus. Nobody's saying they're entitled to anything, it was clearly a post about empathy for the people caught in the middle between Bethesda execs and us.

I'm not buying the game, I don't think they're entitled to sales either. It sucks for them. They have zero agency in this. That's all.

The devs most likely didn't make the decision and are most likely the first ones to face the consequences of these decisions. This is just sadly the systems.

Supporting it regardless however would also empower the higher-ups in them thinking they made a good decision.

Exactly.
 

shaneo632

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Oct 29, 2017
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Can I ask why this makes the game an instant skip for people? I'm not being wilfully obtuse or anything, I'm new to PC gaming and have no idea why this has made people lose interest.
 

UsoEwin

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...his post was about developers, not executives. The developers get a salary and in many cases a sales-based bonus. Nobody's saying they're entitled to anything, it was clearly a post about empathy for the people caught in the middle between Bethesda execs and us.

I'm not buying the game, I don't think they're entitled to sales either. It sucks for them. They have zero agency in this. That's all.



Exactly.
Unfortunately you sometimes have to crack a few coconuts to get the point across. The devs are caught in the middle, but that's just how it goes. Fortunately for the devs, the amount of people who complain and boycott on this forum are in an extreme minority in pretty much every case. So I doubt it will effect any bottom line.
 

demondance

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Oct 27, 2017
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Unfortunately you sometimes have to crack a few coconuts to get the point across. The devs are caught in the middle, but that's just how it goes. Fortunately for the devs, the amount of people who complain and boycott on this forum are in an extreme minority in pretty much every case. So I doubt it will effect any bottom line.

It depends. Games like the Syndicate reboot certainly suffered from the lack of visibility at a point where Origin wasn't widely used. Rage 2 could very well fall in that category in a way that a new Elder Scrolls on this launcher would not.
 

Stock

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Oct 25, 2017
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It depends. Games like the Syndicate reboot certainly suffered from the lack of visibility at a point where Origin wasn't widely used. Rage 2 could very well fall in that category in a way that a new Elder Scrolls on this launcher would not.
Did the Syndicate reboot do well on consoles? Not sure it was really Origin that held that title back from finding mainstream success.
 

Deleted member 2317

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can I ask why this makes the game an instant skip for people? I'm not being wilfully obtuse or anything, I'm new to PC gaming and have no idea why this has made people lose interest.
Bethesda once updated Fallout 76 (through their launcher) with a bug that, if you launched the game, deleted all of its local files. It also issued another faulty update and then literally warned their users to not press the exit button on the executable, as it would crash and corrupt itself. The Bethesda launcher has also accidentally leaked every one of its users personal information (down to their home address).

So maybe, you know, they should be fucking avoided at all costs.

Consequently I'm buying Doom Eternal used on PS4 if they decide to keep up with this exclusivity horseshit.
 

Deleted member 3208

Oct 25, 2017
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Can I ask why this makes the game an instant skip for people? I'm not being wilfully obtuse or anything, I'm new to PC gaming and have no idea why this has made people lose interest.
Mostly because Bethesda launcher sucks. And they don't know how to keep their customer's data safe.

But since it is first-party, they are free to do whatever they want. Most likely, just like almost all Bethesda launcher exclusives, it might land on Steam later.
 

Nzyme32

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can I ask why this makes the game an instant skip for people? I'm not being wilfully obtuse or anything, I'm new to PC gaming and have no idea why this has made people lose interest.

The client and service from Bethesda is pathetic. There have been absurd security issues, and the most basic functional issues, such as difficulty download, installing, or even playing games. Worse still is the infrastructure through which online capabilities are handled leading to issues playing online, cheating etc. Add to that the sheer stupidity shown in updates, banning, questionable refunding potential, issues with the ability to maintain client stability and Bethesda's poor policies on pricing to begin with, terrible minimal feature set and utility - - why should I buy from them?

The fact is, there are tons of excellent games to play, so much so that I barely have time for anything new. If you present me with such an awful crippling of a game and very questionable perpetuity, security and stability for what I buy vs another game on a better more trustworthy service, I am going to leave Bethesda's offering every time.

Bethesda out competed themselves through their own stupidity.

Sadly a game I really want - Doom Eternal, is likely to be in the same situation, and just as above, I will not buy the game unless it is on a better service that I trust. I'll just buy a different game on any number of preferred services (which I actually already did anticipating this). Epic has the same problem, and I'll do the same thing. Their loss.
 

MilesQ

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Oct 25, 2017
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Launcher wars have begun in earnest!

This one should have been obvious though, it's a Bethesda published game. Of course it's going to launch on their launcher.

Saying that, I think Bethesda should look into passing the 30% Steam surcharge onto gamers so they have a choice.
 

LazyLain

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Jan 17, 2019
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If goddamn everybody and their mother is gonna have a launcher, I vote we just go back to the good ol' pre-launcher days.
 

Braag

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Nov 7, 2017
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Not surprising. I doubt Bethesda will release any of their games on Steam anymore, they have their own store and they want 100% of the revenue, even if they lose sales.
Despite being annoyed by this news, this isn't as big of an issue as Epic moneyhatting games.
 
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headspawn

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bethesda once updated Fallout 76 (through their launcher) with a bug that, if you launched the game, deleted all of its local files. It also issued another faulty update and then literally warned their users to not press the exit button on the executable, as it would crash and corrupt itself. The Bethesda launcher has also accidentally leaked every one of its users personal information (down to their home address).

So maybe, you know, they should be fucking avoided at all costs.

Consequently I'm buying Doom Eternal used on PS4 if they decide to keep up with this exclusivity horseshit.

Steam once had a bug where it kept redownloading my game over and over and over again with no stop. Should I have dropped Steam?
 
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