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Raf Grassetti, art director at Sony Santa Monica, is doing a series of fan art for Smash Bros. characters (UPDATE: Waluigi is here, post #1,399)
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The Sonic doesn't look bad all things considered, far as a "real" take goes.
Excited to see Mewtwo.
Excited to see Mewtwo.
I think that I'm just not used to seeing them with so much detail, once the shock value passed I actually began to like the designs. I want to see Mario though.
I don't get these sort of comments. I mean, can you guys picture Samus in her suits from Prime or Super? They don't exactly look feminine to me either, which makes sense as they're just robotic suits, nothing form fitting
The thing is, right now Zelda games, even BotW, already have simplistic geometry and bland texture work, so I don't really understand how your complaints regarding that particular example or those points hold up in comparison.
The lighting, shadows, texture work, materials, shaders and reflections in current Zelda games are all far less impressive, not necessarily out of art direction, but technical limitation. I can understand you thinking that fan example has too many reflections, but I don't understand how you can complain about the texture work, geometry or whatever else, whilst not simultaneously disliking what Zelda games have thus far showcased. At least in the fan example the marble work, geometric make up, lighting, shadows etc looks somewhat true to form, in BotW some of the textures etc just look like a blurry mish mash.
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Because current zelda games don't adopt realistic materials. There is parity between their artistic direction and their geometrical/ texture choices. If you're going to attempt to render marble as marble, metal as metal, PBR and all, then slapping it on a half-assed interpretation of the N64s geometry looks terrible. I don't think it has "too many reflections", i think its prioritised reflections to the point of robbing its realistic materials of any realism. Nobody is saying an 8k texture isn't less blurry than BOTW's textures and their obvious limitations, but its cohesive. Again, this is just a case of people thinking Minecraft 4k texture packs look good. I don't think they do. Technically impressive doesn't mean artistically cohesive. "How can you complain"? is this a joke? All this looks like to me is that in your mind, more numbers, more draw distance = more art. If you really want my opinion simplified, its this: Zelda games don't force awkward hyper realistic textures onto limited geometry, because it looks bad. With your line of logic, Okami just needs a fur shader and real-time shadows and dynamic GI to look better, right?
The small waist, long legs and overall design of the game's suits have a feminine look to me. Here it just doesn't have it, the art style its great but like I said, personally I can't picture Samus in it.
I'll give you the small waist but, outside of that, it always looked like the sort of suit anyone could be in
That might be because of the lack of those shoulder orbs...and because it looks kinda generic
I loved both Fox and Sonic designs, although maybe it's the furry in me that's speaking.
Bowser looks neat, like he belongs in a nightmarish version of the Mario Universe.
The only complaints I have is on Link and Samus, they look generic and in the case of link the realistic style looks way off. Like he would be more suited for a LOTR movie than a zelda game.
He's honestly the best character artist in the industry. And the speed in which he can do things is honestly insane, I've sat and watched him model a flawless torso out of clay in minutes.I never realised how ridiculously good some of this guys sculpts and models are. He's insanely talented.
See I don't find BotW's visuals particularly cohesive at all, unless being cohesively bland, boring and flat looking counts. So much of it is overly simplistic or basic looking, a lot has a washed out look to it, IQ is poor, there's an overt haziness and repetition to many of the shrines etc, the lighting, shadows and reflections are often really dull or flat looking, textures often blurry and undefined, materials and shaders lacking and so on.
I get these things are down to technical limitations, but I don't think there's a parity between the art and technical limitations at all, instead it just seems like the stripped down art and assets are hampered directly as a result of those technical limitations. I actually found many of the past Zelda games to have better art directions, since the colourful, contrasty, geometrically simpler and cartoony nature suited the hardware limitations. BotW is this weird halfway house that isn't fully successful in either imo.
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Guy seems to have a problem NOT using human proportions. Not a hedgehog and not a fox, for sure.
Bowser looks straight out of God of war, no doubt, but this is a very unique take on link. He also managed to make Samus looks like a dude, without showing anything from his face, amazing.
Will keep watching.
Bowser looks straight out of God of war, no doubt, but this is a very unique take on link. He also managed to make Samus looks like a dude, without showing anything from his face, amazing.
Will keep watching.
That's absolutely fine. You're in the camp of people who don't think BOTW looks good because of its technical limitations, I'm in the camp of people who think it looks great and cohesive despite them. I wish they had pushed some of the colour choices, particularly at night when things can absolutely look drab and washed out (primarily for gameplay and readability reasons, although I still think colour grading would have really helped). But to me its ten times better than the aforementioned unreal projects, for the reasons i've already explained. I'm not going to derail further.
"Samus looks too masculine/like a guy" is some real bullshit and a symptom of how gamers have been conditioned to expect unrealistic proportions/impractical armor to denote "femininity."
He just gave you the non-technical reasons he didn't like BOTW
ok, here it is. yall aren't ready.
mewtwo is next
You know what I kinda like it.
For some reason this style works better for the anthro characters for me. Maybe because it's still needs to keep some of the stylization while the human characters lean more to the realism.
Kinda wanna see their take on Incineroar and Wolf now.
Agree. that's some stupid complaint, astronauts irl wear the same suit so what is even a "masculine armor"
The "Samus is too masculine" is straight up garbage posting.
In the first game, the fact that you were playing a woman the whole game was a surprise since her armor wasn't sexualised at all.
Armor isn't supposed to show your body curves, it's supposed to protect it.
In the first game, the fact that you were playing a woman the whole game was a surprise since her armor wasn't sexualised at all.
Armor isn't supposed to show your body curves, it's supposed to protect it.
I'm seeing technical limitations, art limited by technical limitations, and other games looked better for being more cartoony.
Perfectly valid opinion, I don't share it. Happy days.
Sonic actually looks pretty decent because it somewhat embraces his cartoony origins by maintaining the huge eyes and the pose feels like it fits the character much better than the others. Mewtwo's pose looks like a better fit than the initial batch too
Lots of games with worse technical options don't look flat and washed out. That was an artistic choice.
I'm just repeating myself again, because you're not interested in reading the part where I said "I wish they had pushed some of the colour choices, particularly at night when things can absolutely look drab and washed out (primarily for gameplay and readability reasons, although I still think colour grading would have really helped)." My opinion hasn't changed in the past 15 minutes, I still think that BOTW could have benefited from some nice colour correction and particularly a push towards a few richer, darker hues. I don't know what else you want me to say. I still think it looks better than the unreal fan stuff. I'm done talking about this.
Wtf am I reading? Samus suit not feminine enough? This is some terrible take.
The point is, don't dismiss people who don't like BOTW's style as simply being slaves to technology. There are perfectly legitimate artistic reasons to not be a fan of BOTW.
