The request is to use a different skin tone for the spirit not to remove the skin tone from the game.
we are talking abou the Pit skins dude
The request is to use a different skin tone for the spirit not to remove the skin tone from the game.
Oh, well you know. White men did some really cruel and terrible things to the native Americans for example, they also used persons of color as slaves in the past. That's something you can't ever really shake off, especially with jerks that seem to use their inferiority complex to attack people that look different. So I understand why this is offending a certain demographic but only after thinking about it, after it was pointed out to me. The issue is that it's something a Japanese company can't relate to some things will accidentally look racist because no one in Japan would think "oh look, it's a monkey and a black boxer" -they would think "oh it's Donkey Kong and he's aided by that boxer dude from punch out" instead -even the programmers of the game.
Someone asked how this could pass QA, well QA is mostly making sure the translations are spot on, the game content of Smash Bros. Ultimate is made in Japan.
In Japan? Everywhere around the world? Can you prove this assumption? If monkeys were that bad, they certainly wouldn't get a place in the Japanese and Chinese horoscope, don't you think? You know, incidentally 2019 is the year of the monkey. Let's see what the Japanese think about that zodiac sign: They are clever and skillful in grand-scale operations and are smart when making financial deals. They are inventive, original and are able to solve the most difficult problems with ease.
The request is to use a different skin tone for the spirit not to remove the skin tone from the game.
Yeah, Mr-Joker's post is kind of muddying the waters of this thread.He was responding to a specific poster saying they should remove the Dark Pit alt because it was dark skin, not the Villager one.
Not on the other example.The request is to use a different skin tone for the spirit not to remove the skin tone from the game.
Well it's not up to you. It doesn't bother me personally, but I'm not gonna dismiss it for that reason.Not on the other example.
As I said I missed some of the info in the Villager one. Even then I think that case is not as bad as DK and Diddy and should not be changed.
Also from one of Sakurai's previous games in case people want to say its just a coincedence and people are just looking for controversy.
I'm not necessarily saying these were intentional, but its not exactly impossible.
Honest question.
Im asking to be educated here. I'm hoping I'm not moderated again for this, because I'm trying to use this opportunity to learn.
What would establish something like this as racist? What I mean I guess is, that I always understood that if POC deem something as racist/harmful, that its racist and harmful. Non-POC can certainly come to support POC in threads like these, but I was always under the impression that POC were the ones who made the decision on what is/isn't racist.
I've seen some POC in this thread saying its not something to get worked up over, and I've also seen them say its harmful and problematic.
So if there isn't a consensus between POC, how do we truly know what is and isn't harmful, considering a lot of this stuff can be interpreted subjectively.
This one is literally you making a problem out of nothing for reasons I dont know.Yeah Smash has a big problem in that department as one of Dark Pit alt costume has darker skin, it's the third one with the black outfit and red scarf;
Apparently it's suppose to be a reference to Magnus who has darker skin but still that's pretty bad as you can't just darken a white character skin and call it a reference.
Truly highlights how out of touch Nintendo is and how the localization team failed to catch them.
Growing up and watching cartoons, you would think black people, and almost all African people were like that. And I am not talking niche cartoons, but looney tunes, Disney... Western Culture definitely played a bit role expanding such racist stereotypes.
I agree that there's a good conversation to be had about whether or not this was malicious, my main concern is that it really should be changed either way. It's not something I think should be left up, it seems to have made others feel the way I did- it's surprising and unpleasant.
Honest question.
Im asking to be educated here. I'm hoping I'm not moderated again for this, because I'm trying to use this opportunity to learn.
What would establish something like this as racist? What I mean I guess is, that I always understood that if POC deem something as racist/harmful, that its racist and harmful. Non-POC can certainly come to support POC in threads like these, but I was always under the impression that POC were the ones who made the decision on what is/isn't racist.
I've seen some POC in this thread saying its not something to get worked up over, and I've also seen them say its harmful and problematic.
So if there isn't a consensus between POC, how do we truly know what is and isn't harmful, considering a lot of this stuff can be interpreted subjectively.
Thank you very much for this response. This is the kind of thing I was looking for.I'd say it depends on the situation and severity of it all. I do feel there's credence to someone not being a POC and being offended. I feel that shows empathy if not anything else in regards to making an effort to understand what is wrong here and how would someone feel if they were in our shoes in this scenario which in my opinion just shows as good a will in understanding what we do go through as POC and just having a better understanding of our culture. I personally can only respect that.
Every POC has their levels of tolerance though, What would offend me as a POC wouldn't offend another POC and vice versa but i think there's some things that are just flat out unacceptable and this is one of those IMO. I'm honestly not SUPER offended/triggered by it, but I am mildly offended to the point that i definitely think it should be changed.
While i can see the thought process (specifically with Sandman and the association being that DK ends up being the boss right after in the related game punch out) as a POC (on the lesser more lenient end of generally being offended by racist things mind you) I can see the offense in this. Sure it's not necessarily beating you over the head with the racist tones, but the correlation can be easily made based off our history alone. Out of the 74 characters in the roster, you choose a common racist representation of a black character in multiple instances? I was only aware of sandman, but didn't even realize the other cases which in turn adds more credence to this being some underlying offensive message (or a form of ignorance from a cultural standpoint which i'll give them the benefit of the doubt at the least).
So in general when it comes to anything racist you would avoid as much as possible to do anything that has been proven to be considered racist in the past is the best thing to go by.
No, not yet. They are fast, but not that fast.
Did they at least acknowledge this?
Tbf this one is more of SF fault than smash. Still it would be better if it was a giant green pikachuOh, well, as a brazilian, we have Blanka. The good old tropical monster stereotype. And in Ryu's classic mode he's represented by a green DK in a jungle setting. Cause yes, Brazil is one big jungle and everyone is a monkey monster.
Can I say Smash is racist? I wouldn't go that far, but is it fucked up? Yes, it has been for a long time...
Oh, well, as a brazilian, we have Blanka. The good old tropical monster stereotype. And in Ryu's classic mode he's represented by a green DK in a jungle setting. Cause yes, Brazil is one big jungle and everyone is a monkey monster.
Can I say Smash is racist? I wouldn't go that far, but is it fucked up? Yes, it has been for a long time...
Nope but the best thing we can do is make sure this the first thing they see when they come back from vacation
I see, thanks for the info.Nope but the best thing we can do is make sure this the first thing they see when they come back from vacation
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
Agreed.No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
This is why I asked above because I haven't seen it anywhere else.I don't even know how many people are aware of this, to me the discussion seems to be limited to this site.
Yeah Smash has a big problem in that department as one of Dark Pit alt costume has darker skin, it's the third one with the black outfit and red scarf;
Apparently it's suppose to be a reference to Magnus who has darker skin but still that's pretty bad as you can't just darken a white character skin and call it a reference.
Truly highlights how out of touch Nintendo is and how the localization team failed to catch them.
A few Nintendo sites picked it up, but the story sadly didn't gain mainstream attention (likely due to the timing of this thread in relation to Christmas). Not even GameXplain did a video, though Ash Paulsen voiced his distaste for the racism in question.Has any bother another medium, even in gaming, picked up this story?
What line-up, the roster? If so, there weren't many options in terms of PoC representation back in December 2015 (when the base roster was finalized).Woof, yikes on the examples in the OP.
The lineup in Smash has been a problem for a while.
its the fastest selling Switch game, and the fastest in the franchise..... but this foolishness is going to drive people to return it in droves? (How else will it affect sales... because we cant be delusional enough to think this will cause people to not buy the game... right???)No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
in what way?Woof, yikes on the examples in the OP.
The lineup in Smash has been a problem for a while.
A few Nintendo sites picked it up, but the story sadly didn't gain mainstream attention (likely due to the timing of this thread in relation to Christmas). Not even GameXplain did a video, though Ash Paulsen voiced his distaste for the racism in question.
What line-up, the roster? If so, there weren't many options in terms of PoC representation back in December 2015 (when the base roster was finalized).
Exactly, Sakurai didn't have very many options (if any, Elma aside) at the time.
Who do you suggest they add exactly if your referring to the roster?Woof, yikes on the examples in the OP.
The lineup in Smash has been a problem for a while.
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
if only there was a boxing character in the rosterSame with Sandman, who would be a better fit than DK on the roster
play punch out first.....
Fucking christ.
Of the forums I visit only ResetEra complained about these spirits so it's not really a loss of sales for them.No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
A character whose smash attacks are actually punches.Same with Sandman, who would be a better fit than DK on the roster
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
Was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't expect a response until awareness of this gets more widespread. And also for NOA employees to come back from holiday vacation.I don't even know how many people are aware of this, to me the discussion seems to be limited to this site.
No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales
A few Nintendo sites picked it up, but the story sadly didn't gain mainstream attention (likely due to the timing of this thread in relation to Christmas). Not even GameXplain did a video, though Ash Paulsen voiced his distaste for the racism in question.
The game is breaking sales records.No, but I wish they would. It needs to be addressed ASAP. It's a PR nightmare that might affect sales