To be fair, I think they have gotten (marginally) better at this with the later generations but yeah it's not great but I thought you'd have more specific examples of them being racist like Wham Bam Rock's orginal design.
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Racist Stereotypes in Smash Bros. Ultimates Spirits Mode
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To be fair, I think they have gotten (marginally) better at this with the later generations but yeah it's not great but I thought you'd have more specific examples of them being racist like Wham Bam Rock's orginal design.
*sigh* Guess we gotta throw Sakurai on the list now. Shame, I was having a lot of fun with Smash too.
Nintendo needs to rethink some of their choices. This type of stuff plus also being the system of choice for sexualization of minors. Isn't this supposed to be a family friendly company or something?
Apparently they think the Kongs are black. Maybe they thought that was good representation.
Oh for the love of god, are we really doing this "welp the forum is now going to censor talk of love for the game" garbage everytime we bring up something racist? It's far worse because there are like multiple threads talking about how good the game is. Talk about the good isn't going to die down but this does need to be addressed.
Diddy is the one that makes the least sense (I get they were going for cartwheel = kicking) but there might have been a more diplomatic way to do that. Sandman/DK is a definitely a nod to Sandman/DK being the final boss. Tak, they could easily change the color but it seems like they were trying to pallet match the character.
It's no surprise because of their lack of representation. When a company doesn't care about it, then of course they won't care about things happening like in the OP, even when it's not deliberate but a question of ignorance.
A lot of people here on gaming forums like this one think that Donkey Kong is good representation of a black person, so it fits.
To clarify for a new age, they did indeed alter the G&W Spirit for the Day 1 update.
The rest are a bad look, I agree.
The rest are a bad look, I agree.
...showing even more how it was a conscious decision to use this specific skin for this specific spirit. they knew full well what they were doing.
Sandman made me pause the game and Google it to see if I was missing something.
Donkey Kong was a final boss in Punch Out Wii, but it's still a big "What?" for me. You can't establish that you use characters for their visual similarities to other characters (like Zero-Suit Samus in a white colour scheme being The Boss) and slide by with something like the Sandman spirit battle.
Donkey Kong was a final boss in Punch Out Wii, but it's still a big "What?" for me. You can't establish that you use characters for their visual similarities to other characters (like Zero-Suit Samus in a white colour scheme being The Boss) and slide by with something like the Sandman spirit battle.
The Diddy Kong fight states that they will use the side special more, which means that's the reason why Diddy was chosen.
Still a bad look when you see them all together, even if every single case can probably be explained with non rascism reasons.
Still a bad look when you see them all together, even if every single case can probably be explained with non rascism reasons.
There's easy ways to fix most of this:
- Replace DK with Giant Captain Falcon. Yes, DK is the secret boss of Punch Out Wii, but if all they really needed was a giant punch, Falcon fits well enough without being problematic.
- Replace Diddy with Sheik. If they only reason they picked Diddy was because of the cartwheel, then bouncing fish is just as good.
- Pick another Villager color.
I...don't know what that has to do with what I said? I said that only recently have we seen Nintendo actually have POC in their games and that this lack has been a problem.
Then why did you reply to me at all, since apparently what you're trying to argue has nothing to do with what I said. What I said was, "And it's no surprise, coming from Nintendo." That's all. Stop trying to derail the conversation into company defense, which is the modus operandi of some posters every single time this subject comes up. It's not slick.
Is his neutral B the pocketing thing? Haven't played as Villager since Smash 4 launch. That makes sense, I guess.
Wasn't Villager's last two skins white in the E3 build like in 4 but got turned black in the final game? I'm guessing they picked the purple shirt skin and no one reviewed this when the change occurred. Still, that's really sloppy work coming from Nintendo, hopefully they can patch it out.
WTF.
You could use Ken doing kick attacks for Dee Jay.
You could use King K. Rool doing forward smashes for Mr. Sandman.
Anything other than representing black characters with fucking Diddy Kong and Donkey Kong WHAT THE FUCK
Also literally any other Villager costume would have been a better choice for a thief character than that one.
You could use Ken doing kick attacks for Dee Jay.
You could use King K. Rool doing forward smashes for Mr. Sandman.
Anything other than representing black characters with fucking Diddy Kong and Donkey Kong WHAT THE FUCK
Also literally any other Villager costume would have been a better choice for a thief character than that one.
Goddamn, you have to be pulling my leg here with this one.
People here think Kong is a good representation of a black person? Bloody hell.
Anytime there has been a thread on "Representation in Smash Bros. / Nintendo Games" on ResetEra, NeoGAF, or anywhere else, you'll see the common responses of Donkey Kong, Goomba, or Black Yoshi. Like clockwork.
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I only find weird the diddy kong pick. (and the Native american thing that was already discussed). You have to want to see something racist in the others in order to see them racist.
Dee Jay's a kickboxer, the aim is to play up Diddy Kong's side-b which, on the ground, is a quick and pretty strong jump-kick. That's why it says weak jump power and the enemy favors side specials.
Still ain't right, but that's where the connection comes from.
In all fairness to the forum, those idiots usually get banned pretty fast.
Even in this forum, In the lack of black and brown character representation thread for Smash, people listed Knuckles, Incineroar, Banjo, Game & Watch...and they only got 1-2 weeks bans for that.
How can the Kongs be black? They're monkeys. They're a fucking different species.
These goons probably think badgers are white or some shit.
THey did fix the spirit. I got it a while back, it was fixed in the day 1 update
Anyway I think if they ever go back and change these:
-diddy should be swapped out for ken spamming dash attacks. I can see not wanting to over use Ryu/Ken, but Ken is the only other male heavy kick user in the roster
-DK for Captain Falcon. We lose the Punchout WIi reference but the Falcon Punch & side smashes are a good substitute for Sandman's heavy punches
-Villager for the white/black shirt alt or the green/white dress alt, since that fits tac's color scheme better
I was replying to you because I agreed with you...
I'm sorry if I came off as trying to argue with you. I absolutely agree with your point about Nintendo here. I'm not defending the company at all. This is something that absolutely needs to be changed. Again I am sorry, please don't group me in with someone who is such a fanboy that he can't take criticism of a company. I'm not like that. I need people to understand I'm not like that.
Decades later they will look back at this topic and not understand what the topic is even about, and only then can we say racism doesn't exist. I finished World of Light and these didn't catch my attention at all. Only saw it like the way described here when I saw them posted here.
Tac is a thief, and Villager's gimmick is pocketing items.
Mr. Sandman and DK are both super heavyweight punchers. DK is literally a Punch-Out!! boss, too.
Dee Jay and Diddy Kong are both fun-loving musicians with acrobatic kicks. This particular Spirit Battle focuses on Diddy's kicks.
Mr. Sandman and DK are both super heavyweight punchers. DK is literally a Punch-Out!! boss, too.
Dee Jay and Diddy Kong are both fun-loving musicians with acrobatic kicks. This particular Spirit Battle focuses on Diddy's kicks.
Yes because there's no history of calling black people monkeys or thinking they're going to steal something. Come on dude.