Didn't think I'd actually see people upset about this change in this topic, but here we are. "Censorship" lol
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R* have removed several transphobic jokes & stereotypes from the next-gen versions of GTA 5
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I'd say in our youth and local communities. And support charities that support the community in need. https://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Well said. It's not like the black and white Batman serials from the 1940's can be reshot to take out all the anti Japanese racist stuff. But this is gaming and it's easy.
More on topic this is a good thing. Yes it never should have been there in the first place and yes not everything problematic has changed. But the fact remains it was there and also that some good things were removed when Rockstar could have easily just taken the stance of the cartoons and said we're presenting the game as it was when released. That doesn't mean I think we need to do constant backflips but we don't get enough wins as progressives to constantly be upset when we do get wins. That's not healthy for any of us. Keep advocating for positive change and discussion. And at least allow a small moment of happiness for when we get that. It won't all happen overnight it never does.
As someone who absolutely expected no changes this has been a good surprise.
a whole fuckton of "our youth" is exposed to games like GTA
I also don't think it helps at all to preach at trans members of the community about what the right approach is here. if all you can do is mention charities then you need to be looking inward at what you should be doing and not arguing that this isn't "the front." Rockstar basically had to be shamed into making these marginal changes. game devs and publishers can absolutely do better in this space.
Aye, and representation matters. Especially for trans folks, who often benefit from having recognition and support as early as possible.
More importantly, this is something that can and should be fought on multiple fronts anyhow.
While I'm glad they did this, I'm disappointed that this change is exclusive to the newer versions.
good, little progress i guess? R* generally dont give a shit because they are swimming in mountains of money and they dont have to give a shit, they'd probably lose nothing if they let the content stay. (if you can even call that content.....)
i do hope GTAVI is totally crass and offensive and edgy and all that, but steers away from making fun of vulnerable groups. its just so tasteless and never funny except maybe to 13 year olds. just punch up at greedy corporations and celebrity culture and all that stuff.
i do hope GTAVI is totally crass and offensive and edgy and all that, but steers away from making fun of vulnerable groups. its just so tasteless and never funny except maybe to 13 year olds. just punch up at greedy corporations and celebrity culture and all that stuff.
I really don't remember those character models but it's been awhile since I played story mode since I'm mostly on online these days.
Good news. Though I will say that GTA V is still so laden with horrible misogyny and down-kicking humor I don't think I could stomach playing the campaign again as the person I am today. Still an amazingly rich and detailed world, possibly the most accomplished game city ever created, but so much of that is undermined by the sometimes nauseating tone.
Not going to lie, small gestures like this do a lot for me. I appreciate seeing someone take a step in the right direction on this issue, particularly when it is in response to good folks (Carolyn Petit et al. in this case) reaching out.
Perhaps I'll plop down $10 for the PS5 version of the game after all.
Perhaps I'll plop down $10 for the PS5 version of the game after all.
I'm glad they're working to be more thoughtful. It'd be nice to include some positive representation as well.
Replayed GTA V recently.
On the one hand it's trying to do the South Park thing, and be both juvenile and satirical at the same time. Sometimes it works.
On the other hand - like South Park - when it doesn't work, it's not only unfunny, it's offensive.
I get the sense they've been gradually toning down the juvenile in favor of movie tributes. They're better at this. I'd be happy overall if GTA VI adopted a more serious tone, I don't think we'd be losing any great commentary on modern America if this happened.
(Also RDR shows that this is possible without being heavy handed).
Edit: To be clear and on topic - the trans stuff in GTA V is both unfunny and offensive, I welcome the change.
Edit 2: Recent playthrough also really brought home the issue with that whole 'terrorism' sequence too. Not just the torture stuff itself, but the portrayal of the victim, and the conversation with Trevor on the way back to the airport. That's definitely core content that can't be changed / redacted / removed so easily, and will remain a problem for the game as people try to engage with it in the future.
On the one hand it's trying to do the South Park thing, and be both juvenile and satirical at the same time. Sometimes it works.
On the other hand - like South Park - when it doesn't work, it's not only unfunny, it's offensive.
I get the sense they've been gradually toning down the juvenile in favor of movie tributes. They're better at this. I'd be happy overall if GTA VI adopted a more serious tone, I don't think we'd be losing any great commentary on modern America if this happened.
(Also RDR shows that this is possible without being heavy handed).
Edit: To be clear and on topic - the trans stuff in GTA V is both unfunny and offensive, I welcome the change.
Edit 2: Recent playthrough also really brought home the issue with that whole 'terrorism' sequence too. Not just the torture stuff itself, but the portrayal of the victim, and the conversation with Trevor on the way back to the airport. That's definitely core content that can't be changed / redacted / removed so easily, and will remain a problem for the game as people try to engage with it in the future.
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This.
They still have a scooter for "a certain kind of man" named after an anti-gay slur? cool cool
You're definitely not obliged to, but this is definitely a win in my book.
it feels meaningful to me that there are people within a company like r* that, in 2022, have the power to push for something like this and succeed. props to those people, and to those who publicly pushed for this on the outside. it's not a huge step, but it's easy to overlook how ridiculously huge gta is and how much influence it has over normies -- r* being shitty about this wouldn't have been hard to imagine for anyone who lived through the 90s/00s.
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"This house is on fire" arguments are lost on certain people clearly.
What could they even do in RDR2's setting? Rape women, hang negroes, and slaughter the redmen?
I mean, the first game gives you a pretty good indication of what they could've done given that that game definitely shows its age.
I hate that this version runs at such a high resolution. Why are they censoring the original low resolution it ran in on Xbox 360 and PS3? Instead of making the graphics better they should have just put a message at the beginning of the game explaining that the resolution stayed the same as the original to reflect the time it was made. At the very least they could have had a message explaining that the old bad graphics were replaced with new better graphics.
This is very much a better late than never thing, but more notably, it seems unlikely such imagery will be seen in a Rockstar game again. And that's the ultimate goal.
I went back on to GTA Online last week. Walked past an NPC who was in a phone call complaining about his dog being gay.
Edit: I wasn't trying to take away from the trans issues with what I posted above. Just wondering if there are any problematic voice lines that are still in game.
Edit: I wasn't trying to take away from the trans issues with what I posted above. Just wondering if there are any problematic voice lines that are still in game.
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Oh look at you. So you're okay with this shit in games? So gross. Stay banned please.
Good for them. I appreciate GTA's no holds barred style, but this is definitely one of the aspects that has aged like milk. It took too long, but I'm glad they have made some strides.
GTA5 had a real fucking problem with punch down humour in general. I hope this is a sign that the writing in GTA6 will be better and they didn't just make these changes to cover their ass.
Cosigned.
RDR2 is one of the GOAT games and part of that is that it seems like it's made by an entire different studio given how, despite being funnier than their last efforts, it never relies on punch down humor. So much so that some asshole had to RP as an asshole by creating videos about "killing feminists."
Crass humour is cool, it's just not cool to do so at the direct expense of someone's life. If comedy dies for this, it's because that comedy was never funny in the first place.
Throwing a pie in somebody's face is always funny regardless of race, gender, sexuality, culture, and religion, but it's a lot less fun when the pie is filled with targeted slurs, y'dig?
Throwing a pie in somebody's face is always funny regardless of race, gender, sexuality, culture, and religion, but it's a lot less fun when the pie is filled with targeted slurs, y'dig?
Love this Terry Pratchett quote (that I'm sure everyone knows already),-
I don't think any topic should be off the table for humour but doing 30 variations of the same crass joke isn't funny.
This is a good change and I'm not exactly worried about the next GTA change or not. I think it's important to remember the game came out nearly 10 years ago, personally I don't think I've seen these bits when I played it, but similar to the older GTAs some things aged poorly and some are still funny in their GTA humor style. Red Dead 2 is one of the best written games and didn't really feel "censored" and it also had an amazing diverse cast that felt like real complete characters and not shallow semi caricatures.
Like here, lemme put it this way.
If a comic routine can be summed up as "sounds about white," that isn't about the innate existence of being white, it's about cultural apathy from a white majority.
Going "okay but how about them PRONOUNS right fellas???" does not carry that cultural power, it is not acknowledging an existing harm, it just thinks it is because the cis majority thinks "gender is a spectrum" is an attack on them personally. Even if we existed in the egalitarian meritocracy these berks think we do, it's still treating a base humanity as something that only counts until it stops inconveniencing me.
This is, bluntly, why some jokes are good and some jokes are bad, but you can't tell that to someone who thinks they're the protagonist of their own life.
