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Quick Resume Is Getting An Update
- Thread starter Loud Wrong
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Perhaps they should also disable and ban games that autosave data? Think of all the wear and tear from the writes!
Maybe I've missed it, but is there an option to suspend a game into the quick resume state instead of shutting it down altogether or loading up an app like YouTube to force the game into the quick resume state? I've wanted that for a while to avoid the Xbox throttling my downloads while in-game.
There's now a button to force the running game in suspend mode when you are downloading, it's in the download queue screen.
I do see the warning while downloading if a game is in the background, but I don't see how to actually suspend the game itself from that menu. Is it in a preview build? Also, just being able to suspend the game outright would still be nice.
Oh I though it was already public, it's a new button next to Pause all and Cancel all.
But games go in suspend mode after 10 minutes when in the background. But if you want to force it to QR, you can start another game and close it right away, until the update is public.
Thank you all for the examples. Sounds like I'm simply just not playing applicable games...which is completely fine! Not to mention any single player game I do play, I go HAM on anyways and focus entirely on it until moving on lol.
I'm gonna give it a shot though when I can, I am still stuck in the fully quit game mentality from last get it seems lol.
Like you said though, I play a lot of multiplayer or "online" games.
Plus coming from the Xbox One/S/X days I think I'm still musclememory'd into hitting Xbox button then Quit subconsiously lol.
Unless of course the space is hard coded into the SSD and you can't reclaim it anyways.
Right around launch I played Dante's Inferno and used QR, but when I came back, it had frozen the screen and I had to quit the game for it to come back. Thankfully I literally QR'd at a save point, but still. I had a similar experience with AC Syndicate, not sure why.
Your example of using it for an endurance race worries me though...would it work for something like Forza, which is constantly pinging online servers? I'd hate to be on lap 30 then use QR and it fail when I return lol...would be crushing.
I'm gonna give it a shot though when I can, I am still stuck in the fully quit game mentality from last get it seems lol.
Okay this makes a lot more sense.
Like you said though, I play a lot of multiplayer or "online" games.
Plus coming from the Xbox One/S/X days I think I'm still musclememory'd into hitting Xbox button then Quit subconsiously lol.
My assumption was it takes space on the SSD (unsure of how little/much it takes however) and that if I play games that don't support it, why not have the option to disable it and reclaim that space?
Unless of course the space is hard coded into the SSD and you can't reclaim it anyways.
Yeah I hear you now... gothi gave me a solid breakdown
It's not the energy use I was really concerned with, it was the SSD space...I'll copy paste what I wrote above:
My assumption was it takes space on the SSD (unsure of how little/much it takes however) and that if I play games that don't support it, why not have the option to disable it and reclaim that space?
Unless of course the space is hard coded into the SSD and you can't reclaim it anyways.
Another thing is that maybe I used it when it was first released and buggy? Right around launch I played Dante's Inferno and used QR, but when I came back, it had frozen the screen and I had to quit the game for it to come back. Thankfully I literally QR'd at a save point, but still. I had a similar experience with AC Syndicate, not sure why.
Your example of using it for an endurance race worries me though...would it work for something like Forza, which is constantly pinging online servers? I'd hate to be on lap 30 then use QR and it fail when I return lol...would be crushing.
Yeah, I have a friend who quits games completely and powers his Switch off after he's done playing every time vs. just sleeping it and popping it in the dock or to a charger. He's worried it's going to ruin the battery, etc. So, people have reasons, even if they don't make much sense to me personally. LOL Being able to get back into my games within seconds was probably the best thing about Gen 8 consoles.
My favorite part of this post clarification is how you were wrong about something but decided that the correct response was to be snarky at the people who corrected you
Yeah, this is helpful for grinding old time challenges (which were frequently dumb). EG in Ultimate Ninja Storm, you can't advance the story without doing shitty side missions to grind up the XP to trigger a main mission. But one chain of side missions is "play the game for X hours" up to like 10 or 20 or something. Just with Quick Resume, I got all of the XP for those side missions from my console just sitting lol
hello samuel, i hope you're doing well. i think you may have misunderstood my question; while you raised a terrifically nifty point of how a solid state drive's lifespan can diminish by rewriting on flash memory, i fail to see how that is at all related to my original question of how saving the ram to the ssd is related to an always on/always connected/always watching device? please reread my original question before you make your response. cheers!
When running bare metal you're incurring in very risky and expensive behaviors if you try to load and store an "instant" of the CPU, including cache, data in flight (read/write requests still being processed), registers, interrupts, etc. The right way to do it is not to record the final state but all the steps leading up to it from the latest "safe" spot (which can be several hundreds of instructions before and which take a LOT of processing power to retrace and record)
It's much easier when you're running in a hypervisor because the hypervisor assigns/creates the resources in the first place (by having the program run against a "virtual processor" then executing it on real hardware if the hypervisor deems the operation safe without compromising the system or violating the resources that it has assigned to that program) so it has a much better tracking of what's going on underneath and can just halt the execution on the spot, transparently to the program running underneath, and resume it with no issue.
Even giving you the benefit of the doubt on this concern, even QLC flash (which is bottom of the barrel for endurance) on a 1TB drive can do on average 10,000 erase/write cycles before wearing off, meaning a write endurance of 10PB. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt again and make it so it will die at 5 years.
That's still an endurance of 5.5 TB per day.
To write 5.5TB per day of Quick Resumes, you would have to quick resume 343 (heh) times a day
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You would have to do Quick Resumes of 343 different games (because reads are "free" for most intents and purposes on NAND flash so switching between two already saved games is "free") everyday, for 5 years, to have a 50% chance (because that's how those modules are rated) your console will die.
If it's TLC nand, the number goes 5 times higher because the endurance is 50,000 erase/write cycles
Thanks for the enlightenment, my posts do seem ignorant now. Live and learn.
So the hypervisor makes this stuff possible, does it mean we likely won't get to see this kind of stuff happening on PC? Unless DirectX introduces it for PC gaming?
It's very very hard, debuggers attempt to do this and incur huge performance penalties.
On the other hand, emulators are a kind of hypervisor which is why savestates are a very natural, cheap, "seamless" feature on most of them (with the caveat that some stuff may break with prolonged savestate usage)
Huh, really? That'd be nice. Not sure if it is the case for me though, I'll have to pay more attention.
Cutting the power doesn't affect Quick Resume at all.
I also don't get why they don't simply admit their mistake. That would actually earn my respect. Their notifications must light up like a goddamm Christmas tree.
(Disclaimer: maybe they did in the meantime, I have only read until page 3)
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They came back and acted snarky about people who pointed out how awful their take was.
That's cool. Maybe I'll actually start using QR now. I never bothered with it but because of the short loading times I never felt like needing it
They didn't even respond with a new post either. They just updated their post where anybody following the thread wouldn't see and it would only impact getting more alert notifications from new replies.
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I'll never understand this argument. A game like Dead Cells indeed loads quickly. I can get into a game within about 30 seconds. Or when I'm done playing, I can simply exit to home and then the next time I feel like playing I can get right back to the exact spot I was in within 3 seconds. If you're a fan of fast loading times, it doesn't get faster than QR.
Jeez. Even worse.
LMAO people take umbrage with your console warring bullshit disguised as environmental concerns.
With DirectStorage coming to PC eventually, we could see it become available. It would require a DX12U GPU and an NVMe drive you're OK with sequestering some amount of space to be able to hold the RAM dump and other things MS is grabbing but I would assume it would be possible.
I admit I never use it lol...not sure why,just the old habit of closing my game the old way and the problems it had with AC Valhalla,Gears and all the game I was playing on the launch weeks I guess...I should try it more often to get use to it lol.
Sorry I wasn't trying to be snarky at all. My apology was totally sincere. I was surprised to see such a massive amount of constant quotes that I came home to after work. If anyone is bothered or offended, please accept my apology for misunderstanding and being wrong.
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I don't think it's in a general release yet. Just for preview members.
not even that... it's not the console that's really bad on carbon, it's the power grid
so why not spend your energy on that instead of blaming a piece of tech for using too much power? why not try to fix the problem instead of of trying to fix everything else to accommodate the environmentally unfriendly energy generation that people are trying to avoid replacing for some stupid reason?
all it's doing is offloading the blame and spreading it other things for no damn reason.
If they add this, they'd probably force you to free the necessary space for it to work. Or at least make it a toggle in the settings, and turning it on would require you to have the free space.
Quick Resume is such a game changer. It's a feature that I'm always wishing that I had whenever I switch from my Xbox over to my PC. Yeah, you can just keep a handful of games open and switch between them, but it's not as seamless as QR, and my PC doesn't really like it. Performance starts to take a hit. I can understand why some here don't use it, but on the flip side... There's really no reason not to, lol.
DirectStorage doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the Xbox's hypervisor that does it, which Windows lacks. With the Xbox all the memory is contained; VRAM and DRAM are the same thing and exist in the same location and the HV holds all the resources. What the Xbox is doing with QuickResume isn't that far different from an emulator save state. Things like drivers and services aren't a problem because there is only ever one graphics driver and the OS has full control over it.
Even an HV on Windows (and you would need one, Win32 simply couldn't do it at all) presents a few problems, including that VRAM is in a completely different location and the graphics API is a completely different service (and networking, sound, other hardware related services and APIs, these things don't all work the same way), and both of these elements can change in the background. It's just not feasible to restore the state of an application just by snapshotting the memory, because the state of everything related to it has very much changed between iterations. We would need a massive overhaul in the concept of how an operating system even functions and the drivers it uses. You would need something, well, very much like the Xbox OS and a rather extreme redesign of how we even do drivers for different hardware.
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Just make sure to always quit your games when you've finished playing them if you really don't want to use it.
It's a preallocated chunk of space from my understanding, which is why the number of games that stay there keep changing as it'll depend on how much of each games state it can compress into that chunk. Disabling an individual game won't reclaim any space for anything not related to QR.
Yeah, these comments are coming across as disingenuous, you can manage these scenarios, pretending there's no options is a plain lie. The concerns are tenuous at best. Why did someone feel compelled to associate carbon footprint to QR, which works without power. Utterly bizzare
There are games that don't work well with it. Idle games like Clicker Heroes get put into a bad place where it saves the exact state it was left in with no time passing, so it defeats the entire purpose of the game. I'd imagine other games relying on time passing between system are not a great use of the feature unless you don't care.
Also, with no way to tell what games were in that state, I just closed games rather than trying to guess which games I didn't close after being done with them.
It also shows if a game can be used for quick resume. When you hit the xbox guide button, where it was auto-hdr, it will also say quick resume too
I gotcha now.
By preallocated, you mean at the system level yes?
Like for example even if you have no games currently in QR, the OS itself is still "reserving" a defined amount of the SSD for potential use at all times?
10PB write endurance for QLC? You made these numbers up and your math is wrong. Typical 1TB QLC drive has official endurance of just 360TB writes (I'm quoting official Samsung 870 QVO specs). Anything beyond that manufacturer doesn't guarantee anything to you.
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That seems to be the way it is, yes. (I've been wrong before, but I'm yet to see anyone say anything that reliably conflicts with this observation.)
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Getting the new features early was the fun part of the preview program but, beta testing updates really fucked with my Xbox one and lead to a lot of hard reboots. I will gleefully wait for this feature.
I think I have only used Quick Resume two or three times and don't really care for it, but I could see myself using it more if it's right there in front of me.
I wish I could "ban" games from quick resume. You need to fully quit MCC to recover online functionality after resuming, so there's no point to its "support", for instance.
That's warranty period, not endurance. And if the warranty is 3 years well, my numbers just got higher too?
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And I was wrong, indeed. By a factor of 10, as QLC endurance is 1000 P/E cycles. But my point still stands. Dumping 30+ different games per day for 5 years to SSD is not something the average user or even a power user will do.