Are we sure Guillaume de Fondaumière is not just David Cage in a wig? Has anybody ever seen the two of them at the same time?
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Quantic Dream co-CEO de Fondaumière tweets "All lives matter" and promotes their game (deleted it, added BLM, but still promotes game)
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All lives matter but not all lives are being lost victims of unwarranted police brutality. It's not that hard to understand.
Ever since the scandal and lawsuit came to light: Fuck Quantic Dreams
I'm not shocked.
It is code for White Lives Matter
And everyone saying it doesn't give a fuck about racism or any of its victims.
No. He knew exactly what he was saying.
I'm not shocked.
It is code for White Lives Matter
And everyone saying it doesn't give a fuck about racism or any of its victims.
No. He knew exactly what he was saying.
I would argue that all company tweets in regards to this matter are a form of marketing, it's just that the Quantic Dream one is very on the nose with, "Hey, here's our game". They're all doing the same thing, they're just not that obvious about it.
That "All Lives Matter" bullshit can get the fuck out of here though, even if they edited it. I've got no time for that nonsense
That "All Lives Matter" bullshit can get the fuck out of here though, even if they edited it. I've got no time for that nonsense
I'm from the UK, but it affects my country too. Here's how I'd put it, and I've seen it explained in very similar ways:
If you go to the doctor with a broken arm and the doctor starts examining your foot saying, "All bones matter". You'd be like, "Yes of course, but my arm is broken. Can you just focus on my arm for the time being? At the moment the rest of the bones are alright."
Saying All lives matter isn't addressing the issue, it's undermining it.
Glad to see people striving to understand stuff like this.
The evolution of the southern strategy was a big part of it. Read this article
Southern strategy - Wikipedia
Can't believe I'm going to defend this guy but there is a very small chance he meant "all lives matter" as Americans understand it, and I think the edit is a genuine one.
However, I also firmly believe that it comes entirely from opportunistic ad motivations and it's a disgusting tweet in its own right. Especially when the game is the most tone deaf ever produced (at the same time, standing as proof they don't really understand civil rights movements, and wouldn't know the meaning of all lives matter).
However, I also firmly believe that it comes entirely from opportunistic ad motivations and it's a disgusting tweet in its own right. Especially when the game is the most tone deaf ever produced (at the same time, standing as proof they don't really understand civil rights movements, and wouldn't know the meaning of all lives matter).
In these uncertain times we have to stand together for the safety and rights of everyone. Please buy a Toyota.
You start to realize the same toxic, crappy gaming community members grow up to become devs and executives for shitty gaming companies. Imagine using this crisis to try and publicize your fucking game, lmao.
Incredible.
Incredible.
Yeah it's like the ultimate strawman. No one is saying all human life doesn't matter, it's just that unfortunately the point needs to be made that the lives of black people, especially in the US and other majority white countries, should count among those too.
in my opinion i also think no one is saying black lives matter more, its just that black lives should matter and he cant seem to accept that
i'm not gonna bash someone who might've not known that "all lifes matter" sentence is used by opponents of BLM. In a vaccum what he said was alright but he should've informed himself on the matter before chiming in on something like this. That's completely on him.
But it's safe to say promoting his game in the same sentence is shady and crappy at the same time and undermines any benefit of the doubt i'd have for him. Rather just not say anything then if all he could think about is his game when seeing what's going on. It's just a really idiotic thing to do.
But it's safe to say promoting his game in the same sentence is shady and crappy at the same time and undermines any benefit of the doubt i'd have for him. Rather just not say anything then if all he could think about is his game when seeing what's going on. It's just a really idiotic thing to do.
On that, here's a question. When does the issue of all lives mattering come up? Who is debating against this? It's a limp statement because ultimately it sounds good but is too non-specific to really do anything. It's easy to say because the alternative is pretty much to look completely heinous.
If you genuinely believed that all lives matter, specific statements like "black lives matter" would obviously be true in themselves so you could just as easily agree without without having to retreat to the general. But the issue is the very fact that they are specific. They are asking you to acknowledge that the lives of specific groups of people matter. The fact that these things have to be asserted is because a lot of people don't feel comfortable even claiming to believe them, and that's obvious in their actions. That's why instead of stating them, those who are uncomfortable with these statements retreat to the weaker, meaningless statement.
By the same token, most people will say that racism is bad, because that's an easy thing to say. Racism is a bad thing, and bad things are bad. You don't have to invest anything to make that claim. If you say anything else, you'd the bad guy, so you just say the thing that makes you the good guy.
But the moment that you acknowledge that racism actually exists in the human world, the moment that you point to specific statements or ideas or patterns of behaviour and point out that they're racist, then you get the humming and hawing; you get the discomfort that the conversation has gotten into things that are more specific than the general abstract claim of "racism is bad". Because in order to actually do something about racism, the very first thing that you have to do is acknowledge that it exists and identify it.
Oh man. The brand tweets have been very [BRAND] over these protests but at least the ones who made a statement didn't explicitly go "Hey, buy our shit".
Not that I'm particularly shocked, mind.
In a way, I can almost respect it. They defended that shite to the end, not just until it stopped being an exclusive.
Not that I'm particularly shocked, mind.
In a way, I can almost respect it. They defended that shite to the end, not just until it stopped being an exclusive.
The evolution of the southern strategy was a big part of it. Read this article
Southern strategy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
What an idiotic strategy. Instead of working on a better integration and advancing towards a better future for everyone they decided to exacerbate racial segregation to get white votes.
Republicans seems dumber every day I learn something about them.
Sorry for the off topic but it seems to my USA needs a lot of reform, starting from justice system and electoral system to say a couple.
It's not exactly a US-exclusive thing, either. What do you think the Nazis were doing? What tools did they use to keep themselves in power?
While the game actually is about that (in an incredibly on the nose, hamfisted way) it's still really tacky to use this to shill it.
The use of 'all lives matter' here i assume was probably more of an unfortunate language barrier thing, and not the common use of it to undercut black lives matter.
The use of 'all lives matter' here i assume was probably more of an unfortunate language barrier thing, and not the common use of it to undercut black lives matter.
Also, "they didn't know what "all lives matter" implies in an American context" is really thin when you remember they spent millions on a project called Detroit, set in an American context and full of racial undertones.
That's really like making a game about race that's apolitical and not really about race. It's all about making a quick buck on the back of real struggles you don't really know shit about.
Still having your cake and eating it is a quantum phenomenon in itself.
That's really like making a game about race that's apolitical and not really about race. It's all about making a quick buck on the back of real struggles you don't really know shit about.
Still having your cake and eating it is a quantum phenomenon in itself.
I forgot about them! Iirc I dunked on them after they went on and on and on... defending QD on the lawsuit thread lol
Makes sense when you play this Disaster of a Race Allegory. In Detroit if you demand your Freedom and act with Riots the humans don't like you and shoot you down. You are being represented as evil. When you are peaceful, even when the Military starts Shooting at you, and you show the World that you have Emotions by Singing some Kumbaya Shit, while being again almost killed by the Military then you are granted Freedom. Detroit is by far the most Tasteless Game i have ever played, because you realize quickly that it's creator in no way shape or form was ever confronted with Racsim in the real World nor did he ever speak to Victims.
Fuck this Company!
Fuck this Company!
Yeah. Glad I didn't buy Detroit based on it's obvious use of race only to just say "they're robots instead!" I've never gotten one of their games before and I never will.
There's no way to come out of this looking good.
Even if, somehow, you give Guillaume the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe it's a mistranslation thing and they didn't know the context of the words... Imagine using the tweet to promote your shitty game and to say that this is 'precisely what Detroit is about' (his words not mine) while not having an understanding of BLM/All Live Matter and what that means for people who live with this.
Regardless, no benefit of the doubt for Quantum Dream. Ever.
Yeah, this too. The absolute use of GOOD/EVIL moral compass in Detroit that paints rioting as a negative action or standing peacefully in front of the police and singing as the virtuous action instantly makes any comparisons with real world events absolutely laughable. Clowns.
Even if, somehow, you give Guillaume the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe it's a mistranslation thing and they didn't know the context of the words... Imagine using the tweet to promote your shitty game and to say that this is 'precisely what Detroit is about' (his words not mine) while not having an understanding of BLM/All Live Matter and what that means for people who live with this.
Regardless, no benefit of the doubt for Quantum Dream. Ever.
Yeah, this too. The absolute use of GOOD/EVIL moral compass in Detroit that paints rioting as a negative action or standing peacefully in front of the police and singing as the virtuous action instantly makes any comparisons with real world events absolutely laughable. Clowns.
Eh, i think it's a trap a non-native speaker can easily fall into, especially since "all lives matter" is intentionally designed to sound vaguely positive/inclusive on the surface and not the "stop complaining brown people!" thing it is in an american context.
Absolutely, the mentality it's always us vs them, there's a deep lack of respect and empathy involved. Dictatorship always take this to extreme. I believe human mind need to go past that for us to become a real united world. When I talked about USA reform I was referring to the previous link provided to me, related to USA incarceration statistics. Private prisons are an abomination to me, among other points.
I don't want to derail the thread further, but I'm really interested in the argument.
I'm sure you've had a lot of replies on this but I've seen this cartoon do the rounds which I think is a good analogy.
I am not entirely sure what you're getting at here, are white europeans somehow above matters related to non-whites or what are you saying? I am a brown person living in Europe and it feels hostile as fuck.
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I confirm that from a French perspective all lives matter just mean that every life is important
Black life Matter Seams to imply that only black life are important and could be viewed as racist.
before reading some posts in this Thread I didn't t know all lives matter was used by opponents and very few French probably knew that.
i think there is some language barrier here where we says similar things in different ways.
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Go inform yourself before spewing bullshit then. Dude is an international business man, not some person living in rural area of France.
This is how much Guillaume cared when asked to respond to the allegations confirmed by numerous media outlets when it related to his own company...
Guy's a class act.
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And never apologized for it but only blamed the media... like Trump.
I liked Detroit but to say it told any kind of story that said anything powerful about blackness or black lives matter is a real stretch. That section of the game was hamfisted and was evidently written without consulting anyone black about how they would represent this. This tweet promoting a game entirely missed the point - give a percentage proceeds from Detroit to an actual cause or offer to actually do something - otherwise it's an empty statement- that at best people just scroll past or at worst is offensive and a company looking to profiteer off of a tragic event and an ongoing fight against racism.
QD is such a dogshit of a studio. Every single game they release is worse than the previous one and now this.
Weird that the co-CEO of a studio that recently made a game about racial oppression in the US wouldn't know what's wrong with saying "all lives matter".
Thats a big old YIKES there for the discovery and the size of it
Someones been busy and its funny that no one noticed 🤔
Y'a pas de « language barrier », c'est une mauvaise excuse.
Ça se traduit « les vies noires comptent » et « toutes les vies comptent ». C'est essentiellement identique. Ce qui manque c'est le contexte, de quoi il faut s'informer avant de tweeter des conneries, c'est tout.
1. That was not the intent. I was referring to people pivoting to Europeans in general being insensitive to racial issues. Which isn't entirely untrue of course, the further east you go. But the French at least (should) know better.
2. I walked it back before you quoted me when I saw European members defending the guy's supposed "ignorance" — as a leading figure of a company that does business in the US whose company also released a game steeped in segregationist thematics, he can't not know the meaning of "all lives" rhetoric. Also, common sense.
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