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Quantic Dream co-CEO de Fondaumière tweets "All lives matter" and promotes their game (deleted it, added BLM, but still promotes game)
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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David Cage says that the game apparently wasn't about racism when it was released but now that police violence against black people has become mainstream, it suddenly is.
Fuck Quantic Dream.
Fuck Quantic Dream.
White people in Europe are just as tone deaf to issues of race, white privilege and their continued systemic oppression of black people as white people in America. What more needs to be explained?
You're off your rocker, mate. The guy said "Racism, in any shape or form, is shameful, stupid and must be fought against, everywhere and always. All lives matter & are equal regardless of skin colour". Nothing about that message is racist except for an unfortunate sequence of three words, the connotation of which he may not have known considering he's French, not to mention the fact that he changed it afterwards.
Because it's what sits at the top of their company culture, and people have repeatedly pointed it out.
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As opposed to white Americans?
Imagine using what is going on right now in America and around the world to promote your hokey robot/racism allegory.
Um, no? Just making it very clear that, contrary to some of the posts I've seen here over the years, Europeans are just as much an actor in modern day oppression of black people as their American cousins. In some cases they're even more ignorant due to how much this part of the world likes to avoid the subject of race entirely.
Ok, then I suggest editing your original post with a clarification because it comes across differently. To be clear, I agree with the "White people" message, but at first your post didn't read like that to me
That the stupid tweet is representative of white Europeans (implying that it is not of white people in general, and Americans specifically)
It's absolutely representative of tone deaf white Europeans who think they've arrived when it comes to race issues, when they haven't even begun.
Again, Americans are doing better? Why the European classifier? Do you think there are not entitled white Americans?
I know the situation is delicate, but I don't think this is the time to deflect criticism. Racism, or feeling like you above it, is not an exclusively European thing.
Edit: Do you want to argue to "All lives matter" is an european thing? Or that PR taking advantage of the situation to promote stuff is?
In any case I'm derailing the thread, so I'll stop here
Genuine question here: as a non American, I don't know why "all life matters" is regarded as racist. I suppose this phrase is related to some bad precedents or instrumental usage. Can you explain me the history behind this?
you're being a little pedantic
it was made in response to mock the black lives matter movement. as in "what do you mean black lives matter? i'm not black and my life matters. care about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! all lives matter."
No one is deflecting criticism of white Americans. I'm pointing out that white Europe has issues with race as well, as evidenced here, despite the fact that many seem to view Europe has being more woke than the US when it comes to this. It isn't, and far from it. The distinction should be made, especially because a lot of Americans forget that there are millions of black people living in Europe too who are facing systemic oppression, bigotry and open prejudices at the hands of white people.
Nail on the head.
He knows fully well what those words means. His company was not sued for nothing. Do not give QD the benefit of the doubt.
I'm arguing that there's a specific "Racism is over here" white European outlook which leads to complacency and tone deafness, that we see it here all the time, and that it entirely informs both Detroit and QD's dumb-as-shit "all lives matter, buy our game about race that's not about race".
That doesn't mean racism doesn't somehow exist elsewhere, it just means that Europe's smug look at American racism is unearned (I'm European).
Because the conversation is around BLACK lives matter when you say ALL lives matter it's essentially reframing the conversation to "white lives matter too" The people who mostly lean into this are conservatives, obviously.
every day shows "white lives matter" by default which is why it's important for us to let the black lives matter conversation happen without interruption because the system is set up so they matter less by default. The world needs to change.
(As another non-American,) The point of BLM is to make a statement about black people being treated as disposable, their lives or freedom forfeit if anyone in power feels like it. Trying to contort it into the tone deaf "all lives" stuff completely misses the point of why society is in a place that it even needs to be said that black lives matter.
"All life matters" is often used by the white people because they feel that they're not included in the "Black life matters". While the fact is, they're completely missing the point what the BLM message is. It's not about "Only black life matters".
Ok, understood. It is a matter of context. Saying it in a vacuum is seemingly an ok statement, but in the context is diminutive.
Thank you.
Seems that Guillaume dude thinks different than David in regards of the politicalness of the game. Nothing wrong with that.
Why they didn't just left out the last sentence is beyond me... you don't have to promote a commercial product to get the message of your tweet across...
Why they didn't just left out the last sentence is beyond me... you don't have to promote a commercial product to get the message of your tweet across...
It's often used to deny the specific oppression - judiciary, penal, custodial - that black people are victims in the US, more specifically here the risk to be arbitrarily brutalised or killed. Or in filigree to reduce it to an individual problem ("boo racists are ugly people, I am not!") or behaviour ("If you are clean you don't need to be afraid of the police"), when it's rooted into a institutional system (so something that could change).
Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia
Children Killed or Injured in 2021 | Gun Violence Archive
Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...
www.gunviolencearchive.org
Let's not use the "he's European so he is ignorant of major political events" excuse. It's weak, it's tired and it's so easily provable as not true.
If he said it, was corrected and then made a genuine apology explaining why that statement was problematic, you may have a point.
What he actually did was edit the statement, when it became obvious it wasn't going to fly. In other words, this is about image not substance of message.
Then, he also continued to use the active suffering of others to promote his game. His game that already leaned heavily on past violent race struggles. His game, that his friend and collaborator (both of whom have been accused of horrible bullying) claimed wasn't created with any race allegory in mind.
So, you know what? Maybe you should step back of your defence of these idiots and rightfully decry their transparent profiteering of the struggles of black people.
Saying all lives matter is definitely problematic, it's a phrase used amongst the far right to downplay BLM.
If you played Detroit and are surprised by the initial tweet, I got mansions to sell you on the cheap.
It's often used to deny the specific oppression - judiciary, penal, custodial - that black people are victims in the US, more specifically here the risk to be arbitrarily brutalised or killed. Or in filigree to reduce it to an individual problem ("boo racists are ugly people, I am not!") or behaviour ("If you are clean you don't need to be afraid of the police"), when it's rooted into a institutional system (so something that could change).
Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Children Killed or Injured in 2021 | Gun Violence Archive
Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...
Thank you for the links, reading them now.
Edit: what happened between 1975 and today? Incarceration rate sky-rocketed!
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you do when the message of your tweet is the promotion of a commercial product!
100%
Oh and expect a lot whining and defensiveness when posting such a statement, especially on gaming side.
Quantic Dreams is owned and run by rich white arseholes. This is not surprising in the slightest.
Yep. The only reason we get less issues with racism is the there's less black people over here.
That doesn't mean we don't have other issues, like Roma racism, but because the USA most racism is about black people, we don't see it the same way.
The words themselves aren't racist but they way they're used and who uses them are. 'all lives matter' was essentially a signal to black people that they should shut up, go home and stop complaining. It was used to diminish legitimate anger and grievance and also snidely impress the idea that these protestors are somehow selfish and single-minded.
Now, I believe this dude sincerely didn't realise the context of his words in America, was told and corrected it but I'm just explaining this to you.