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PBalfredo

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,496
I am rather amused that Mythra's black leggings redesign has now come full circle

I'd have preferred Edelgard but I'm not a dedicated Fire Emblem fan so I suppose my input doesn't really matter regarding the Fire Emblem Three Houses Representative.

The correct choice and fine taste, though!
 

Yasumi

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,573
It's very embarrassing seeing these type of threads, especially the breast size comments. I used to have a similar size to Pyra's and these type of arguments on the internet about how ridiculous is to have them big and it's unrealistic and stuff like that made me get very uncomfortable with my body to the point I almost killed myself a few years ago
Hope things are going better for you. Some people here can be really judgemental over body shape, and these kind of threads seem to attract it. Small? "Child" Large? "Porn actress." It's pretty fucking gross.
 

ika

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,154
MAD, Spain
This honestly feels like the only large forum on the internet that has an active vendetta against the game. I mean, I get some of the complaints, a lot of the designs could be better. But with the way some folks talk about this game, it's as if a hand reached out of the cartridge, grabbed a handgun and shot their dog or something.
Yeah, I'm a bit tired already and lately I even didn't even tried to go to XC2 threads anymore. The most surprising thing about this thread is that even after three years of updating my ignore list with hot-takes-users and irrational hatred for Xenoblade series, I keep on getting more and more free embarrassing stuff. Talk about people not moving on...

On topic, I don't play Smash, but I'm happy that Xenoblade has finally more characters in it! Elma is next!!!
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,284
SoCal
I'm so dang happy to see Pyra + Mythra in Smash. The characters look excellent and the music is something to look forward to, most definitley.
 

IneptEMP

Member
Jan 14, 2019
1,965
I didn't used 'wrong one' argument. My argument was that a character shouldn't be picked just because they're POC. Especially with many of the names thrown around when I'm certain these people had to Google the character in question and wouldn't have a personal interest in them if they weren't POC. In other word, it's pure shallowness, just like how people dunked on Min Min for not being black despite being a minority woman.

The fact is, Nintendo don't have that many POC characters and the ones people liked to name like Elma and Marina are not even POC, which tells me more that people are being shallow. So it comes off less of people wanting more POCs for inclusive and diversity, and more that people wants to fill some POC quarter to personally feel better.

If you want to say, Nintendo needs to make more major POCs, then yes. I completely agree. But don't pick some random POC side-character you found on Google and demand that they be put in Smash because of diversity, because that feels less sincere and more like you're checking a list.

Your thoughts, particularly the bolded, speak volumes to how you view representation, not others. *Most* people who want black characters aren't interested in just "checking a list". They want cool and positive representation of black people in games.

Black folks have wanted a black character in Smash bros for years. At least over a decade. Requests have been around since Brawl discussions and have only gotten louder in recent years. An when the opportunity of a popular and cool black character was missed, folks were met with "oh we already have a minority character."

And that feels like a fucking checklist. "The minority box was checked, so stop complaining, black people."

Look, I don't have any issue with Min Min, as a character or as minority representation, and if people feel they are represented through her, I think that's great. However, I have never seen such discussion of her ethnicity as representation until Twintelle appeared to be a viable choice as a fighter. People were suddenly talking about her Chinese background when others expressed any sort of disappointment about the most likely chance of having a black character in Smash being lost. The discussion felt like a cudgel to shut black people up. And that's not what representation in media is about. It's not about cancelling one minority group out with another. It ain't a minority checklist. It's about listening to groups when they speak up.

Black and brown Smash players have been speaking up for years. They haven't been heard.
 
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Oct 29, 2017
2,264
USA
Just when you think there's no hope for a XC2 character, they pull this on us. I'm glad this is the choice they went with instead of fucking Rex. I'm surprised they're going with a transforming character since Zelda/Shiek was split up. And more Xenoblade series music in Smash is definitely welcome.
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,105
Plus he'd be our second chance at a dedicated archer since Decidueye missed the boat in favor of Incineroar.
I guarantee you he would use a sword with his bow. He can promote to Lord and uses one in a cutscene. If you want unique movesets, Dimitri ia the safest bet since I don't recall him ever using one in a cutscene, unlike the rest.

But this is a Pyra/Mythra topic and I don't want to derail beyond my general issues with Smash's decisions
 

Roliq

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Sep 23, 2018
6,189
Capcom/Bamco/SNK/NRS/ASW would be crucified if their positions were switched with Smash's.
I feel you choose to ignore that unlike them this is a crossover game which is highlights a different issue of not giving brown or black skinned people main roles in games
 
Nov 17, 2017
126
While i would have much preferred Elma as the next Xenoblade representative... I understand why that is not the case. Popularity and all.

Mythra's smash design is fine in my books, but I still can't stand Pyra's...
 

Neoxon

Spotlighting Black Excellence - Diversity Analyst
Member
Oct 25, 2017
85,350
Houston, TX
I feel you chose to ignore that unlike them this is a crossover game which is shows a different issue of not giving chances to brown or black skinned people main roles in games
Even then, options exist, however few they may be. At least one black character wouldn't kill anyone.
 

Canas Renvall

Banned
Mar 4, 2018
2,535
Jill Valentine, Lara Croft, like... I can think of so many women I would want in Smash.

Not... this. Another anime sword user. Lol
 

Brewster123

Self-Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,456
Charlottesville, VA
This was such a good trailer. I was so happy the whole time. I could have literally been staring at a black screen for the rest of the direct and still came out satisfied.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,157
No, but that's likely the sole outlier due to Dragon Ball being devoid of melanin beyond Uub. Plus it's still crucified for the lack of women of the few options that exist.
Is it though?

There are plenty of woman fighters that could be added over Yet Another Goku but that game gets a pretty big pass because it's from a franchise people love.
 

Richietto

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,982
North Carolina
Im actually really glad they went with the Pyra/Mythra mechanic instead of the Driver/Blade mechanic. Fuck you Rex lmao! This is much better.
 

Son of Sparda

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,612
Glad we are getting some Xeno 2 characters since I enjoyed my time with the game (despite thinking some of those designs were ridiculous), but man that fake out was too real. I was hoping for Xeno 3 or Xeno 2 expansion... :(
 

Panda Andino

Member
Nov 5, 2018
354
User Banned (1 month): misogynistic concern trolling
It's very embarrassing seeing these type of threads, especially the breast size comments. I used to have a similar size to Pyra's and these type of arguments on the internet about how ridiculous is to have them big and it's unrealistic and stuff like that made me get very uncomfortable with my body to the point I almost killed myself a few years ago

Please ignore those misoginyst comments, they have never play the game and they think those characters are sexual dolls becouse of the looks. They are the worse kind of misginyst ppl like a white knight in disguise.
 

Dolce

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,252
How do you perfect ACE+? I'm serious, I'm genuinely concerned about inferior remixes if they're not the ones doing the remixing.

There's no perfecting or not perfecting, my favorite Smash remixes take a song and throw it into a completely different style. I love when you get a song that's just a completely different genre or feel. That's the importance of varied arrangers.

I don't want the Smash remixes to just sound like more Xenoblade.
 
Jan 25, 2018
98
Elma would have been a decent rep with no costume alterations needed. A strong, cool-headed Samus Aran type with no fan-service controversy (in her Mim form). Her dual ralzes/gemels from her Xenoblade 2 incarnation would have added a bit of variety. I get that Pyra/Mithra were selected because of popularity, but Elma seemed like an easy choice.

I am appreciative for the series and more female representation, but this sucks a bit made worse by the complete lack of Xenoblade Chronicles X music or even an Elma or Lin sword fighter or gunner costume.
 

Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131
All I'll say is that I loved Xenoblade 2, I loved Pyra and Mythra, and I'm very happy they're in the game. I was wanting them in there since the game was REVEALED.
 

rAndom

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,866
Glad we are getting some Xeno 2 characters since I enjoyed my time with the game (despite thinking some of those designs were ridiculous), but man that fake out was too real. I was hoping for Xeno 3 or Xeno 2 expansion... :(

Trailer was too good. Felt like a sequel bait of sorts lol
 

Tryphus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 2, 2018
44


As much as I would love more people that look like me in Smash, the last thing I would want is then doing it just to check a box - they, and games in general(but especially them), need to fix their problem of not having more diverse protagonists to choose from(bye Elma) - aside from Urbosa or Marina I don't see any upcoming possibilities to rectify this, and it seems the Urbosa ship may have sailed anyway. Marina too, for that matter, depending on what Splatoon3 does or when the fighter's pass ends.

But yes, I would LOVE this, but this is mostly a Smash issue because it's a Nintendo issue and because they're only pulling from existing characters, not having the luxury of creating PoC characters from scratch (which, to be fair, a lot of fighting games still do just to check the boxes - and it often shows)
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
21,225
I just want to give a shoutout to Etika.

Min Min, Minecraft, and now Pyra and Mythra are in Smash. His reactions would have been legendary. Rest in peace.