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jeelybeans

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,948
Really disappointed, don't care for these characters at all, but it's good there are more females, and I know there are fans of Xenoblade, so congrats to them I guess.
 

Makoto Yuki

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,434
Between these two and Seph, the DLC has been delivering.

Smash Ultimate 2 for Switch Pro please.
 

Death Penalty

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,306
Oh good, they put the anime sex dolls in. Even with cleaned up designs it's tough to stomach how awful these are. Straight out of a generic titty gacha game.
 

Mik317

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,777
I think minecraft steve looks dumb and I dont get minecraft. Have not played the character at all.

still happy for those who wanted him.

why can't people just be adults about this and let that be it. Constantly making it about faaar more serious things in an attempt to prove a point sucks.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,775
I'm glad that we are getting a new rep from the Xeno series and it's a female, two females but man, maybe next Xeno game they could hire a character designer who is not a hentai artist?
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,745
no the ones like i qouted above are just acting childish and completely ignoring the large amount of ppl that are happy
The people you quoted are literally calling out the designs, and are not engaging with people minding their own business being happy that a character they like got picked.

You, on the other hand, debuted in this thread directly laughing at people who were upset with legitimate criticism, offering nothing of value to the discourse.

So please, fam, run it by me again, who's being "childish" here?
 

Tora

The Enlightened Wise Ones
Member
Jun 17, 2018
8,640
Can someone explain the end of that trailer? Is that gaur plain? It looks significantly nicer than the current version of it and Shulk looks a bit better? Maybe just a lighting difference there
 

Servbot24

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
43,137
They're cartoon/stylized proportions. But I guess I'm just s stupid woman that can't tell the difference, huh?

Guess I'll take my tits and get the fuck out of here. I'm getting really fucking sick of all the men that keep posting this same shit over and over and over. Over and fucking over. Every same fucking thing. One of the reasons I've stopped posting on this fucking place.
Excuse me? When did I say anything even remotely close to telling you to shut up and leave? You are obviously free to want anything that you want in games and to voice that as much as you want. And I will continue to want what I want, which is for characters in games to be less sexually objectified. To say that I tried to shut you down and diminish you when I did nothing of the sort is ... well it sucks.
 

Alooful

One Winged Slayer
Member
Mar 27, 2020
443
Can someone explain the end of that trailer? Is that gaur plain? It looks significantly nicer than the current version of it and Shulk looks a bit better? Maybe just a lighting difference there

The Mechonis looks like the Definitive Edition's. Just trailer stuff, don't worry about it
 

King Kingo

Banned
Dec 3, 2019
7,656
They're cartoon/stylized proportions. But I guess I'm just s stupid woman that can't tell the difference, huh?

Guess I'll take my tits and get the fuck out of here. I'm getting really fucking sick of all the men that keep posting this same shit over and over and over. Over and fucking over. Every same fucking thing. One of the reasons I've stopped posting on this fucking place.

Please don't stop posting your thoughts. Your opinion is valid no matter how many people agree or disagree, we need diversity of though to maintain thoughtful discussion. It sucks that some people might target you personally be it intentionally or absentmindedly but don't let it demotivate you from posting your thoughts.

It can't be a Xenoblade 2 thread without random stans shouting "lol I love the salt" over genuine concerns over the misogynistic and male gaze-y presentation of the game.

Have you played Torna: The Golden Country?

man fuck Pyra's design and fuck Nintendo for pushing this crap-ass character further mainstream. Embarassing.

You hate the design? That's absolutely fine. But Monolith Soft and Nintendo has every right to promote their intellectual property through Smash Bros. You do realise that Smash Bros is a first-party Nintendo game, right?
 

Death Penalty

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,306
I think minecraft steve looks dumb and I dont get minecraft. Have not played the character at all.

still happy for those who wanted him.

why can't people just be adults about this and let that be it. Constantly making it about faaar more serious things in an attempt to prove a point sucks.
Steve's design isn't a problematic continuation of the issue of objectification of women in video games.

So like, there's a big relevant difference right there.
 

Zyrox

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,630
Amazing. This pass really is the redemption pass.

I expected them to lead off with Smash so as soon the trailer started and I spotted the "not actual gameplay footage" blurb (a hallmark of Smash Bros. trailers) I knew what was up. What I did not expect, however, was Sakurai pulling Rex's goofy ass by his pants and shoving him into a locker. Wow. Amazing.
I greatly enjoyed Xenoblade 2 so I'm pretty pleased with this choice. Monolith has become an important part of Nintendo so it's only fair they get another slot (or two??) in this crossover.

Also, another Xenoblade rep means more Xenoblade music. The DLC is worth it for that alone. REDEMPTION.
 

Chumunga64

Member
Jun 22, 2018
14,269
Rex is the only character design that sucked in my opinion.

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good character design
 

HeroR

Banned
Dec 10, 2017
7,450
I wish people would stop using us as reasons as to why they are mad that the character they wanted didn't get into a videogame. Peeps not so subtly calling Sakurai racist are clowns.

Pyra/Mythra are from one of the switches biggest games from a property that is taking off. Their inclusion makes sense from that stand point alone.

The fact that people are naming Cherry Hunter...a character I had to look up mind you from a recent and long dead Sega property says it all. You'd have a point if say Max Brass got in over Twintelle...a not super popular character from that game..but thats about it.

I am black. I create cool black women in every game I get a chance to. But until there are simply more black characters in general..there simply aren't many viable choices to be put into a videogame celebration like smash. There is no giant conspiracy involved beyond that.

These are my feelings as well. As a black woman I want good characters who interesting from a gameplay aspect. Not characters pick to fill some POC quarter so people online can feel good over inclusiveness. It honestly boarders on insulting. Like someone like Twinelle is fine, although she isn't my personal favorite, because she brings the ARMS' fighting style and is part of the roster. Stop picking some random POC and say they need to get in for 'diversity'. You're honestly not helping.

Especially when a woman is picked, we get the 'wrong one' conversation.
 

VegiHam

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,591
Character design stuff aside, I hope this means we get a ton of extra Xenoblade series music added with them.
 

BGBW

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,280
Can someone explain the end of that trailer? Is that gaur plain? It looks significantly nicer than the current version of it and Shulk looks a bit better? Maybe just a lighting difference there
I'm a bit curious too. While it's likely just a bit of fun, it's odd they went out of their way to bring back Shulk's VA just for a small bit part in a trailer which wasn't really needed. Wonder if he's getting a minor update like Cloud did with Sephiroth.
 

Tabaxi

Member
Nov 18, 2018
12,910
Guys her anti gravity boobs is part of the character

I've seen more than enough people use "you see, the crystal that is coincidentally on her chest is important, that's why it was super important for the camera to focus on her boobs in this scene" to defend some of the shots in the game.
 

Biggad

Member
Jul 3, 2018
363
Man, I hope I can stomach the embarassment of using this character because they have a lot going for them in terms of gameplay.

I'm actually embarrassed to even have this character be seen in this game though. Damn.

"More female representation! Yay!"

Does it count if its misogynist character design 101 though... really
This.
 

Skyscourge

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 7, 2020
1,854
I'm glad that we are getting a new rep from the Xeno series and it's a female, two females but man, maybe next Xeno game they could hire a character designer who is not a hentai artist?
I'll let you in on a secret, many of your favourite manga illustrators have drawn hentai at some point. I don't really get this stigma people have with artists that have drawn adult content, why should that exclude them from doing non-adult work?
 

Swiggins

was promised a tag
Member
Apr 10, 2018
11,452

Silent

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,437
It's been a while since I've been fooled by a Smash Fake-Out trailer. They look so cool.
 
Dec 11, 2017
4,836
I wanted any third-party character more than this. Literally any third-party character from any franchise ever over this.
 

Maligna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,815
Canada
ENOUGH with the anime swords people. Come on!

And I miss Smash being a celebration of gaming history. Can we get a classic character please? Contra dude? Bomberman? Eggman? Dr. Wily? Pai Chan? Blaze Fielding? Adam or Skate Hunter? Anything? Heck, if you really want another anime sword person I'll even settle for classic Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden. I can compromise!
 

Death Penalty

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,306
I'll let you in on a secret, many of your favourite manga illustrators have drawn hentai at some point. I don't really get this stigma people have with artists that have drawn adult content, why should that exclude them from doing non-adult work?
No one would even be talking about it if the designs in the non-adult work didn't look like they were also straight out of hentai.
 

McNum

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,195
Denmark
I'm a bit curious too. While it's likely just a bit of fun, it's odd they went out of their way to bring back Shulk's VA just for a small bit part in a trailer which wasn't really needed. Wonder if he's getting a minor update like Cloud did with Sephiroth.
For Min Min's trailer, they got Captain Falcon's voice actor back just to record him slurping on noodles. Getting Shulk's voice actor back to record a few lines seems completely normal in comparison.
 

Starseeker

Banned
Dec 30, 2020
112
Pyra living her best life! (I feel bad that that 90% of my irritation towards Rex is his character design, poor kid.)



Yep, this. It's always such a complicated conversation, because a) no, there is 100% nothing wrong with characters having large breasts, because people absolutely do, BUT b) is there absurd breast jiggle? How sexualized is the rest of the character's design? What kind of camera angles are used when the character is on screen, and are they objectifying and or focusing on the character's breasts?

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(Ironically, the quickest reference I could find of this moment was a very large screengrab, sigh.)

I genuinely really like both Pyra and Mythra as characters (love their English VAs, too, they did great work with the Smash trailer), but I still get frustrated over aspects of their designs and how Pyra in particular is objectified in-game.
Those fucking boobsocks. Tifa in FF7 Remake is worlds apart from this shit.

I'll let you in on a secret, many of your favourite manga illustrators have drawn hentai at some point. I don't really get this stigma people have with artists that have drawn adult content, why should that exclude them from doing non-adult work?
There's a difference between being an artist who draws hentai and being a hentai specialist without an off switch.
 

Ruisu

Banned
Aug 1, 2019
5,535
Brasil
I know. She's also dummy thicc and wears fetish clothes. But, hey, it's the Japanese culture, right?
I mean, I'm sure there are plenty criticisms people can make of her design, you can see in this thread and the other thread dedicated to it, I just find the argument that they're not realistic kind of moot since that doesn't seem to be the intention.
 

Fj0823

Legendary Duelist
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,663
Costa Rica
I've seen more than enough people use "you see, the crystal that is coincidentally on her chest is important, that's why it was super important for the camera to focus on her boobs in this scene" to defend some of the shots in the game.

You know that's the part I don't get, just embrace that you like anime titties, I don't get why there's a need to be all...



Just be like Thomas Manga..