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Putin orders troops to invade eastern Ukraine
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It's fine, you just have to post a source instead of just a claim so we can judge its veracity. Otherwise this thread rapidly turns into rumor mongering.
Oh please lol
You can't say something like that and then get upset that people responded.
As I was telling it to that poster that kept posting about the Russian reserve in the previous thread, a reserve in gold and FOREX doesn't mean it is easily accessible. And now with these sanctions can be partially blocked and partially needs to be spent to refinancing their debts anyhow.
VEB is important. Not enough (there's like 4 other banks they need to hit to make a dent in Russia's financial system) but important.
Sovereign debt is important, but the debt is fairly small; Russian reserves will get drained faster, but it's not going to have any immediate effect.
Pretty good response from Biden and the US. The most important thing is that the international community are united in this fight against Russia and keep escalating until they back down.
We needed you yesterday when Era members were saying 'sanctions mean nothing' and wanting boots on the ground.
Sberbank, VTB and the rest are probably next if Putin continues but going after them is pretty much the nuclear option of financial sanctions so they're probably holding them back for now
We already know Putin was going to fabricate proof regardless.
It's not even Soviet Union (using that makes me think about political implications that some would probably do on purpose). It's Imperial Tzarist Rusia.
Sadly I think the Kremlin is going to use anything as proof of provocation. If not this, it would have been the lethal aid or something else.
Fair point, but it's hard to take that as a serious threat. Doing anything that Putin doesn't like is taken as provocation, so it's a moot point.
Biden could sneeze and a leaf might rustle within 5000km of Russia and be considered an act of provocation.
I don't think they care anymore; this is now down to Russia vs Ukraine. They are done talking with the West. They are basically looking for Ukraine to immediately submit or be invaded. Honestly, most of the Western "diplomacy" outreach with the insane demands was probably just to distract the west anyways. If they so choose to point to NATO provocations, it is for people on the left and right within these countries, not themselves internally.
Yeah Biden's getting high marks for his administration coordinating the response with the EU.
Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/us/politics/biden-strategy-putin-ukraine-war.html
Highly excellent and laid the strategy behind the Biden administration throughout this entire crisis.
Honestly it doesn't matter. Putin makes up the provocations anyhow. The simple fact that Ukraine exists is provocation enough for him. I think the time for caring what Putin can transform into a provocation has passed.
Which is -- in a sense -- EVEN WORSE than resurrecting the Soviet Union as that encompasses parts of several nations that weren't part of the USSR!
luckily, biden/macron/scholz are in power right now
That's a good point. Putin's government probably doesn't care about the west anymore.
Its been made clear war with Ukraine is on the way no matter what.
Reinforcing the Baltics is necessary. Russia cant be allowed to think it can dismantle NATO by force. Because that would be very, very bad.
And as Biden said in his speech, Putin insinuated there are Nato countries rightfully Russia's.
Oh there is a couple more things I saw I'm waiting to see better sourced that are even worse than this. Basically, telltale signs of a wider invasion being imminent.
Eastern Europe is probably freaking out behind closed doors, given their history with Russia, and considering this is the biggest war in Europe since WWII it makes sense that Western Europe would also take this seriously.
Let me know when those sanctions mean anything, or have direct consequences. Even Nord Stream 2 is just a pause on the pipeline that has never opened...
The sanctions should be crippling, like freezing funds/property until Russia leaves Ukraine and it is back in control of its territories. This would not be a direct seizure, but all of the oligarch property/accounts would be effectively gone from outside of Russia. Your visa is revoked, your accounts are frozen, your properties are unavailable for use. Mandate no-service of US/EU companies in Russia, and block Russian companies from accessing EU markets. Make them bleed potential revenue everyday until they go bankrupt.
Sanctioning politicians from taking vacation in Europe is so pointless... Or impounding their 3rd boat...
it's one of those things that makes eastern expansion a nobrainer
Quick google didnt quite help me. What is "Sovereign Debt" and what does sanctioning it do?
"Fuck Biden I love Trump!"
Gets quoted a 100 times.
"This forum sure likes to dog pile huh? I was just looking for polite conversation. Shrug."
Biden has an easier time getting our Allie's in order against Russia than he does two shitty senators. Just shows how keen of a negotiator he is.
(And how abysmally shitty machinema are)
(And how abysmally shitty machinema are)
According to Investopedia:
What is Sovereign Debt?
Sovereign debt is a central government's debt. It is debt issued by the national government in a foreign currency in order to finance the issuing country's growth and development. The stability of the issuing government can be provided by the country's sovereign credit ratings which help investors weigh risks when assessing sovereign debt investments.Sovereign debt is also called government debt, public debt, and national debt.
Nice, these are good starting sanctions.
Also, Hasan has seemed to come to his senses, saying he was wrong about Russia, wrong about Ukraine. I'm just glad because roughly 50k people watch his streams, and I'm happy he finally turned around on that.
If you watched Putin's speech and still support him after all that's happened, then there's something severely wrong with your way of thinking.
Also, Hasan has seemed to come to his senses, saying he was wrong about Russia, wrong about Ukraine. I'm just glad because roughly 50k people watch his streams, and I'm happy he finally turned around on that.
If you watched Putin's speech and still support him after all that's happened, then there's something severely wrong with your way of thinking.
Nah fck him you can't go 'woopsie I made a mistake' after going in so hard for the past few days
Fine that he turned around but I was really disappointed in learning this
Twitter search trump account term nato:
"when will nato pay their share?!"
" Kill nato"
"Putin told me he loves nato"
Results: 500.
That's fine, people should rake him over the coals. I'm just glad that he changed his stance because of his viewership
One piece of propaganda that I find annoying is the "haha western sanctions are powerless against us" meme that Russian trolls spread.
The reality is since the Crimean annexation the GDP, Per Capita, and general standard of living for the majority of the population has been heavily dropping off.
Like I have friends that live in the Oblasts, the majority of people outside the major western cities live in third world conditions, the country as a whole is like it was before WW1.
After this war and the economic downfall that follows, I don't see how Russia won't collapse in some form.
The reality is since the Crimean annexation the GDP, Per Capita, and general standard of living for the majority of the population has been heavily dropping off.
Like I have friends that live in the Oblasts, the majority of people outside the major western cities live in third world conditions, the country as a whole is like it was before WW1.
After this war and the economic downfall that follows, I don't see how Russia won't collapse in some form.
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