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Putin orders troops to invade eastern Ukraine
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I don't see Russia quite pushing that far ahead yet, but one the hell knows anymore with Putin and his own viewpoint of realpolitik.
In any case, it looks like we need them more than us in that regard.
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Focus: Russia could hit U.S. chip industry, White House warns
The White House is warning the chip industry to diversify its supply chain in case Russia retaliates against threatened U.S. export curbs by blocking access to key materials, people familiar with the matter said.www.reuters.com
Ukraine is more important than Russia in that regard. Do you want lose that too?
More important:
And in general, the issue is only about price, not availability. So US will be fine.
Russia Sends Its "Terminator" Advanced Urban Fighting Vehicles Towards Ukraine
Only nine of the BMPT-72s are thought to be in frontline Russian use, and they have all been seen heading towards Ukraine.www.thedrive.com
"Peacekeeping Mission"
Holy fuck, Sean Hannity is the voice of reason here (for the moment), you know shit is truly fucked.
Pretty stark reminder with Ukraine Ambassador showing same thing with Georgia/Ukraine and asking who is next?
Fair criticism. Need to klamp down on that dirty money.
Fair criticism. Need to klamp down on that dirty money.
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I'm not gonna defend Putin in a million years but I hope the irony of this statement isn't lost on the U.S
Can we please not do this. Please. This is a war based on Russian aggression and on Russian bullshit. We don't need to try to land side jabs on this country or that country along the way.
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I was not aware the U.S. was invading one of it's neighbors and attempting to annex land.
The UN is not perfect; but it's still miles ahead of the "Concert of Nations" Russia would have us all go back to.
And when Concert of Nations hit a snag.... we got WWI.
I've heard some theories about kompromat but I think the actual explanation is that they want the Russian social media bot nets to boost them to improve their political chances.
CLEARLY Ukraine would've been better off facing Russian airforce and superior tanks on their own with modified AKs and Cold-War era uniforms.
In 2014 when Russia started the Donbas insurrections, the Ukrainian Diaspora had to equip a Ukrainian Army from scratch, raiding military surplus stores for body armor, uniforms, warm underclothes, boots, sleeping bags, not to mention all the actual military gadgets that the West was dragging their feet on selling.
You want to get Putin to back off rather than laugh in your face, you had best come at him with something better than one Empire telling another Empire they aren't allowed to be one. This is an incredibly tense situation. Every word in the diplomatic gamesmanship must be very carefully chosen.
That message wasn't for Putin.
They mean old times as in kings and fiefdoms.
- Putin puts a whole ass army on the borders of Ukraine for months
- This army openly attacks Ukraine with artillery strikes
- Putin openly declares that Ukraine is not a country
- Putin declares an entire section of Ukraine does not actually belong to Ukraine
- Russia moves it's forces onto Ukraine soil
- Putin threatens bloodshed if Ukraine tries to stop them
- Putin goes on a rambling hour long tirade about how Russia deserves to have it's territories back
Yet we have people STILL bringing up the US and NATO in a bad light as if they are to blame or just so they can get their petty shots in. Meanwhile a whole country is on the brink of major war due to the sole action of Putin and his corrupt ass government. A war that the US and NATO have fought tooth and nail to prevent for months. A war that NATO and it's members have tried to prepare Ukraine for with near nonstop shipments of weapons and supplies.
I literally don't know what to fucking say anymore. This shit is so obviously stupid at this point.
Stop.
- This army openly attacks Ukraine with artillery strikes
- Putin openly declares that Ukraine is not a country
- Putin declares an entire section of Ukraine does not actually belong to Ukraine
- Russia moves it's forces onto Ukraine soil
- Putin threatens bloodshed if Ukraine tries to stop them
- Putin goes on a rambling hour long tirade about how Russia deserves to have it's territories back
Yet we have people STILL bringing up the US and NATO in a bad light as if they are to blame or just so they can get their petty shots in. Meanwhile a whole country is on the brink of major war due to the sole action of Putin and his corrupt ass government. A war that the US and NATO have fought tooth and nail to prevent for months. A war that NATO and it's members have tried to prepare Ukraine for with near nonstop shipments of weapons and supplies.
I literally don't know what to fucking say anymore. This shit is so obviously stupid at this point.
Just.
Stop.
The second point is a response to the first. If there were no US-NATO actions, there's not a coalition large enough to even act like a roadblock. I get zoomers are all against the US military industrial complex, but they often forget that much of this complex was first started post-World War II to curb precisely nations like Russia doing shit like this. The modern day NATO is really a guard against a revival of the Soviet Union in many global contexts. If not NATO, then who? In this stage, at the very least the war machine has an option that seems to be advisable to the alternative of literally nothing, even if Russia really doesn't care at the moment.
If you're calling Noam Chomsky stupid then I don't know what to say to you.
Fuck these fake ass moron so hard. They have flip flopped nonstop throughout this whole thing.
Fuck them.
what do they actually think would have happened if NATO and the US said nothing during this situation?
It's honestly crazy at this point the lengths people are going to ignore reality just so they can get their jabs in on the US or other NATO members.
It is just insane.
As a Finn, living in a country on the western border of Russia, I choose NATO security guarantees as the way "to get Putin to back off".
I would call someone who denies two genocide stupid, but what do I know?
I tend to forget that the U.S is a part of NATO, and that's of course on me, but I've always thought of NATO as more an alliance of the majority of European Nations rather than an all encompassing North Atlantic Alliance as the label says. I mean 27 European Nations and 2 North American nations, you do the math.
Regardless, Europe has every right to defend itself from Russian aggression in any way it sees fit and that includes Ukraine whether they are a NATO member or not (and for my part after all this bullshit they should be. Putin has made his own bed on that front). I just find the idea of the U.S stepping in and lecturing literally anyone else on Imperialism pretty eye rolling.
Ukraine is a founding member of the UN.
If you mean NATO: Ukraine declared its neutrality in its constitution. In 1994 Ukraine gave up world's third largest nuclear arsenal for guarantees of sovereignty and territorial integrity from the UK, USA, and Russia.
As such, Ukraine has neglected its security for almost 25 years. In the winter 2013-2014 when Ukraine had a revolution that declared broad, non-specific intentons to move closer to the West, Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula and started armed insurrection in Donbas. At that point, joining NATO became far more difficult; in addition, there hasn't been any significant political will in the West to confront Russia over this issue.
No, he clearly doesn't, but even Putin would start to feel the effects of more or less being strangled or even cut off from the world market. Will he ever starve and suffer depradation, no. But such an event will have a knock-on effect up and down the country. The oligarchs who have so much money in the European markets would kill his political support at home likely before it got to the stage where people are really starting to feel the pinch. He doesn't care about the people but he has to care about the economy because it's absolutely going to end him if he lets it collapse. No world leader, no matter how autocratic, survives the destruction of the economy at their hands.
Who is "this guy" and why should we take him seriously? That's some serious shit he's saying.
Congressman Slotkin from Michigan with good thoughts (I like when politicians know what they are talking about when inserting themselves in that conversation )
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