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Put his name up there! - Neil Druckmann deserves to be mentioned amongst the Miyamotos, Sakaguchis, Kojimas and other all timers.
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Sakaguchi yeah sure, in terms of linear story driven games with big production values, Druckmann is probably better.
Miyamoto and Kojima hell no. They both championed gameplay innovations that change the way we play and experience games. I don't think Druckmann is quite at that level. The main thing I think Druckmann championed very well that's pretty novel in terms of games is moments of downtime and playable denouements. Neither are technically his innovations since there were some predecessors and I and others have published scientific articles on this before Uncharted 4 and Left Behind, though I consider it very likely Druckmann never read those, and it's also one thing to hypothesize and prototype it and another to incorporate it into AAAA games, so I'm fine with him owning it.
Miyamoto and Kojima hell no. They both championed gameplay innovations that change the way we play and experience games. I don't think Druckmann is quite at that level. The main thing I think Druckmann championed very well that's pretty novel in terms of games is moments of downtime and playable denouements. Neither are technically his innovations since there were some predecessors and I and others have published scientific articles on this before Uncharted 4 and Left Behind, though I consider it very likely Druckmann never read those, and it's also one thing to hypothesize and prototype it and another to incorporate it into AAAA games, so I'm fine with him owning it.
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You kind of know what it is though, right? It's going to be a linear experience designed to deliver an enjoyable and relatively bombastic story, right? I mean, what are you expecting him to make? Pikmin?
Of course,that's how comparison threads work.
I said it the other day,nothing on this site can be discussed based on it's own merits,everything has to be compared to everything else.....which results in no discussion at all,just people going to bat for their favorite.
Miyamoto's legacy isn't just the games he created directed, it's the influence those games have had ever since. First with SMB and TLOZ, later with OOT and SM64. No games set more blueprints and you still see their influence today.
Kojima basically brought cinematic storytelling into gaming on a huge scale with MGS. To top it off, all of his games have very well thoughtout gameplay systems and level design.
Kojima basically brought cinematic storytelling into gaming on a huge scale with MGS. To top it off, all of his games have very well thoughtout gameplay systems and level design.
But why the comparison except out of defensiveness? OP never said Druckmann was better or the best. All he said was he deserved to be considered among them.
You took my post far more seriously than I did in following a common meme format.
Again, he has to show a lot more than what he has done to be compared with Kojima let alone Miyamoto.
No Druckman made The Walking Dead Season 1 and The Walking Dead: The Final Season
Can't you see why folks would push back tho? I don't think anyone is saying Druckman is not a talented director, but track record takes time. I get that it also early so there's a lot of enthusiasm, but others mediums would not crown someone so early amongst the most influential.
Miyamoto and Kojima are titans for good reason.
A gun using archeologist goes to exotic location, have to compete for treasure with large organization who have way more numbers and guns, location is old and fragile, shit breaks constantly. I'm sure you're aware that at this time, everything has been done already, and few are truly original these days. Uncharted due to the sum of its parts managed to carve out a niche for itself in the gaming zeitgeist. When you look at new Tomb Raider and the sum of it's parts, it reminds you of Uncharted.
These are works of art. I'm sure tlou is good, but I've played most of ND games and they're nothing compared to the Japanese giants of game development.
I don't think the original was particularly innovative or even particularly influential, there are more cinematic 3rd person shooters that you can see were inspired by Gears than by Uncharted. Uncharted itself being compared to Gears in many reviews at the time . I think as the series has gone on and how Naughty Dog developed in terms of the games it produced, they really have solidified the expectation of what a cinematic whatever person game should be, but I don't think that happened as early as the first game.
Same level as Kojima and Sakaguchi? Maaaaybe, but it's a stretch. But none of those people, and especially Druckman are worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Miyamoto. Keep him out of the discussion with the others. He's never had anything close to a misfire or even a game that's split the opinion of reviewers in any way. The others have. Especially Druckman. Just no. Miyamoto is in a class to himself way way waaaaay above the others.
Is this a Nintendo vs. Playstation thread?
Or is this a thread saying Neil should be mentioned in the same breath because he's a luminary that's forwarded a medium?
Being a fanboy is really a very bleak thing.. I think you'd really dislike Drucky's games because it feels like it's an attack on your personality.
Even if we look at western devs, he's got a long way before he catches up to the likes of Will Wright and Warren Spector
He's probably not even on the level of Lord British yet.
Oh no you're confused I said games 'of the generation'. Also the whole reason I had the word 'arguably' was because there is no true answer. But you are delusional if you don't think TLOU 1 and 2 (and even U4 is up there in the conversation). Didn't think this needed explaining but apparently it does.
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.....not revolutionary?
Pretty much all CODs after are still considered derivatives of the formula Jason West and Vince Zampella put in motion.
This is literally Tomb Raider (1996) tho
So, you have nothing then. Okay.
I think it set the bar for game narratives and set pieces. While Tomb Raider and SW took heavy inspiration I think it influenced to some capacity many others.
I've gotten more entertainment out of this shithouse thread than last of us 2. At least this thread has pacing.
Warren Spector, Richard Garriott, Will Wright, Sid Meier, Nolan Bushnell, John Carmack, John Romero, Gabe Newell. That's a lot of names to push through and that's just off the top of my head and not considering any of the Japanese guys.
I'd agree. Maybe not the first game but maybe UC2. Could you expand on the games inspired by Gears besides UC1? Do you mean AAA or no because I remember some games that were blatant Gears clones but they weren't big budget at all
The way you describe it also sounds exactly like the old tomb raider games which were released far before uncharted
Western devs are actually pretty much like your typical Hollywood summer blockbuster. They're flashy but lack substance. God of war 2018 was actually pretty great though. So I'll give them a point for that.
Uh no, in Tomb 1996, you're mainly fighting animals/dinos and mutants. And if you wanna ignore 60% of my post, that's your decison.
I don't agree with this at all. UC2 basically set the template for cinematic games for the next few decades, especially in terms of the use of interactive major set pieces. UC2 had these huge big budget playable set pieces that would have historically been relegated to cutscenes, and I'd never experienced anything like it in the decades of games I'd played prior.
Stuff like this.
I think TLOU also pushed the genre forward in terms of narrative and characterisation. The only other AAA games I've played that really compare, are Red Dead Redemption 2 (which released in 2018) and The Last of Us Part II, maybe Bioshock as well but in a different way.
On that point, I think Part II pushes the genre forward again in narrative terms. I certainly have never played anything else like it, nor anything with as nuanced, realistic, hard hitting, well realised, branching, unusually structured and emotionally impactful narrative and characters.
When you look at what Naughty Dog has sought to achieve over their last several games, with increasing success each time out, they deserve a lot of credit. Because they make story-driven third-person action-adventures, it tends to get overlooked, but the way they're able to marry strong game design with realism is second-to-none, and they should be commended for that. Druckmann (and Bruce Straley, for that matter) should certainly be recognized among the great game designers of our time.
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The Neil dick sucking will continue!
Who is Neil Druckman's movie director equivalent?
Zack Snyder?
Who is Miyamoto's?
Spielberg?
Look, there's only one person who I put on the level of Miyamoto, and that's Yuji Naka.
Neil Druckmann damned sure ain't on the level of Miyamoto. Call me when that dude directs a game with transcendent gameplay.
Neil Druckmann damned sure ain't on the level of Miyamoto. Call me when that dude directs a game with transcendent gameplay.