Pugs ‘no longer considered typical dog’ due to high health risks
The breed’s desirable features compromise dogs’ health and welfare, experts say
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Pugs cannot be considered "typical dogs" due to their high health risks, UK study warns
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Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
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Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
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Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
A lost bulldog follow me home once and slept there until we found the owners next day, I seriously thought he was sick but they said it's normal to breath like that.
I had a dachshund growing up and while I loved him more than anything, I felt so bad for his back problems. Only adoption for me after he died.
I had a dachshund growing up and while I loved him more than anything, I felt so bad for his back problems. Only adoption for me after he died.
Didn't that happen in Netherlands? Or Norway? Or some N country?
Wasn't there a thread about these breeds being banned in Norway or Denmark recently?
EDIT: Oh ffs it's my own thread.
Norway sets a precedent and bans breeding of certain types of dogs with hereditary/genetic issues
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/first-legal-ban-breeding-bulldogs-22943414 I knew about Bulldogs (I mean...just look at the picture), but didn't know about King Charles Spaniels as I assumed they were just another type of spaniel.
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Yeah I know someone with a french bulldog and you can definitely hear its breathing.Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
The way that we've selective bred some of these animals for nothing other than aesthetics at the expense of their health is some truly evil shit that only humans could pull off.
Not sure where English Bulldogs are relative to Frenchies and Pugs, but my family's two bulldogs have so many health issues it's ridiculous. I can't understand choosing to get those breeds when you're so likely to sink additional thousands into their upkeep.
Chow Chows unfortunately have been following this trendy flat/scrunched face as well, and the stereotypical picture of a Chow now looks very different to one in the early 1900s. Breeding for health and temperament should always be the priority.
Chow Chows unfortunately have been following this trendy flat/scrunched face as well, and the stereotypical picture of a Chow now looks very different to one in the early 1900s. Breeding for health and temperament should always be the priority.
I own two pugs. They're both pretty healthy, but the oldest (female) can snore and can get hot really easily.
Pugs have some of the best temperament of any dog breed, but it's sad what breeders have done to their health. I read on Reddit that people have started breeding the "Retro Pug" to get them healthier.
Pugs have some of the best temperament of any dog breed, but it's sad what breeders have done to their health. I read on Reddit that people have started breeding the "Retro Pug" to get them healthier.
Think it's only a matter of time until breeding them is outlawed in more countries. First I'm hearing about breeders trying to breed with longer snouts, so that's good at least.
I know a few pugs and they are 100% sweethearts but yeah they all sound like they are struggling to breathe and they overheat so easily.
I know a few pugs and they are 100% sweethearts but yeah they all sound like they are struggling to breathe and they overheat so easily.
My friends have one. I always feel bad whenever we're at their place and he's in the same room. Every breath sounds so labored. He's not sick or tired from exercise; it's like existing is pain. The fact that most people do not recognize dog breeding as one of humanity's longest lived eugenics experiment still gets me angry.
This is what needs to happen. What we need is a ban on characteristics, not a ban on breeds.Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
There was a really depressing comment I read from a vet about how when they intubate dogs for surgery, most breeds will panic and struggle because it's uncomfortable, but pugs will just lie there calmly because it's the first time in their lives that they've been able to breathe properly
We had a Boston Terrier. Lovable dog, lived 13 years. Always had nasal and breathing problems because of it. Died of an enlarged heart that was working overtime to give her body oxygen. Don't get short nosed dogs. They have to work so hard to breathe because we like the way they look. We also couldn't fly her anymore because of the health risk.
agreed, until more healthy versions of the breed can become more commonplace
Breeding the extreme physical characteristics of dogs to make them unique has been terrible and only causes health problems. If kennel clubs and dog shows changed what is considered "breed standard" to disallow extreme breeding, it would go a long way to correcting the problem.
My brother had to put down his french bulldog when he was 2 years old because of his health issues. Poor dogs.Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
Welp, time for me to sign off the internet for the morning. Get some work done. 😭
Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
Honestly I thiink all flat nosed cats/dogs are ugly. I think though for some people it's cause it looks more "human like " (maybe that's why I think they're ugly ;). The only human like animal I think looks good are humans and I suspect that is just cause natural instincts). But also, pugs I know are in general sweet dogs so that helps make them endearing. But I really hope more countries catch on and start discouraging these breeding tactics that encourage extremity to the point of unhealthiness (or even just mutations that have health problems attached... like the gene that causes the ridge in rhodesian ridgebacks also is associated with spine problems.. and the more prominent the ridge the more likely to have that spine issue). I know on a vet subreddit I'm on the vets unanimously think pug breeding is cruel because the inherant health problems that come attached. I mean I live in Seattle and I know of a guy whose pug overheated to death here (he even let him on a shaded porch that day <- which is better than inside in most places here cause no ac). A dog shouldn't be able to overheat in the shade in seattle! I mean my freeking husky does fine here in Seattle.. a dog bred for very cold temps. And it can still handle heat better than a pug.
But honestly, in general, it does not help that all flat nosed breeds have breathing issues and the flatter you maek the nose, the worse it is which also colors my perception of flat nosed breeds. Though also siamese have the opposite yet similar problem... they have been breeding them where the noses are getting too narrow to breath properly.
I mean I think pugs are sweet dogs but if they can't be convinced not to breed them with flat noses I'd be very happy to see the breed disappear entirely (basically make it illegal to breed them). It's not right to breed in inherant health issues like that.
I love pugs, they're amazing little dogs every time I've met one, but the health risks due to the breeding of that flat face has always felt like straight animal cruelty, bringing dogs into the world knowing they'll have these health problems and be suffering. Definitely needs to be limits to their continued breeding, we should not be deliberately breeding blatantly unhealthy dogs.
True but honestly pugs are even worse than most. And they shouldn't be breeding any breed with noses so flat it causes breathing issues.
My mom had a pug. He was a big sweetie, and I loved him a ton.
However, having him made me feel so bad for pugs. It feels so cruel to breed them.
However, having him made me feel so bad for pugs. It feels so cruel to breed them.
A friend showed me a video about this but I can't find the video or Youtube channel, if I could I would post it here, they're video seem to be kindas comedic while also talking about these health problems in depth and why you should avoid getting them directly from breeders.
They're so fucking cute but I could never own one or support the continued breeding of them. Just seems like heartbreak waiting to happen.
This is kind of the future for many of the toy breeds as well, it'll just take many more years.
People being obsessed with purebreds (and I say that as the owner of one) just leads to this kind of thing and pugs have it the absolute worst.
People being obsessed with purebreds (and I say that as the owner of one) just leads to this kind of thing and pugs have it the absolute worst.
I think the biggest problem with breeding doesn't need to be inherant to purebreds but because selfishness and want of appearance breeding tends to encourage unhealthy dogs. That is that health tends to be last on the list of what people consider when breeding (most people anyways. A good breeder will know the health issues of their dog and try to avoid them. But that only works for breeds where the major attraction isn't the problem in the breed itself, like pugs and their short faces or rhodesian ridgebacks and the ridge). And this also goes for breeds where people start liking to emphasize one particular trait they like with no regards on how it affects health (german shepherds and those slanted hips, pugs with their noses, cavalier king charles spaniels and the skull too small for the brain, rhodesian ridgebacks). Looks seems to really be the big thing that motivates most breeding so people either ignore there might be a reason not to breed a particular individual if it looks pretty enough or even try to emphasize traits that really shouldn't be.
If health was the first and foremost consideration I think it would help solve a lot of problems iwth breeding. People would try to make sure to check the animals they were breeding were not like to pass on a trait that the breed can have that is unhealthy and they would keep in check trying to exxagerate traits that would get bad for the pet when overdone. I mean proper breeding can improve health... Siamese when they first were transported to the US had very short lifespans. Now they tend to be known as one of the longer lived breeds (and for cats, not just for breeds).
I mean being a mutt doesn't instantly make a dog healthier... it's just that some one isn't trying to emphasize traits with no regards to what health issues it might include (and breeding same breed dogs you will have more chances of a bad trait happening). I mean for my cats, my healthiest cat was a purebreed and I've had plenty of very unhealthy mutts :( (one of my current cats his sister died at 3 1/2 and he was diagnosed soon after with kidney disease which is also what his sister died of, though she had heart issues too. I actually posted a pic of them here years ago asking for name suggestions. My favorite cat was probably a maine coon mix but she died at 12 of cancer. Another mutt cat I adopted died at 8 from cancer... I have no luck with cats :(. Though my dog is almost 15 now and still can be mistaken for a puppy and has now lived longer than all my cats except my purebred cat).
Wasn't there a thread about these breeds being banned in Norway or Denmark recently?
EDIT: Oh ffs it's my own thread.
Norway sets a precedent and bans breeding of certain types of dogs with hereditary/genetic issues
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/first-legal-ban-breeding-bulldogs-22943414 I knew about Bulldogs (I mean...just look at the picture), but didn't know about King Charles Spaniels as I assumed they were just another type of spaniel.
Ha!
Totally on board with banning and trying to reverse the damage that has been done to these poor dogs.
Whenever I have an encounter with a pug it sounds like it's dying.
Not the same dog but similar problem:
r/pics - A breeder in the Netherlands has been working to make the French Bulldog a "healthier" breed.
158,913 votes and 4,274 comments so far on Reddit
Why is the left dog considered more beautiful?
Retro pugs look nicer than smushface.
That dog on the right is gorgeous. I wish that breeder all the good fortune in the world for getting their more classic/healthier breed popular.
There is nothing wrong with purebreds when the standard is reasonable. If kennel clubs clamped down on what is considered standard for a breed, then breeders would stop unethical breeding if they're going to lose registered breeder status.
Puppy mills and backyard breeding would still happen, but if the public opinion changes on a standard that requires healthy dogs, then bad breeding would not be acceptable.
Getting a dog from a registered breeder is fine. Getting a dog from a backyard breeder is not.