Publishers needs to take online cheating seriously

[Zombegoast]

This needs to be taken seriously if publishers want to enable cross play between console and PCs. But instead rely on a software like Easy Anti Cheat or Battle Eye that has access to the system's Kernal and is more intrusive rather than detecting and banning cheaters. Linux gamers cannot play games that uses Battle Eye because they get banned for using a Virtual Machine.


Finding a cheat engine isn't hard, I did a google search to find one and it was the first result and YouTube is filled with video show casing how the cheat engine works. They've tried suing, but it's not stopping people from making new ones. This is a multi billion dollar industry and they don't seem to care enough to protect online game communities from cheaters but will go far enough to do a DMCA takedown on every other thing. Web Host should be reviewing and removing sites that sells cheat engines, Google should be scrubbing search results and removing videos on YouTube. Those are just my suggestion but they should at least do something.


7th generations console games have already been ruined by hackers. You cannot play a Call of Duty game without running into cheaters and Microsoft is all about preserving last gen games. And it's only a matter of time when cheaters will move on to the Xbox One and Ps4 once support for the hardware ends.

 

[freakybj]

They are taking it seriously but online cheating will never be completely eliminated. Fighting cheaters is an ongoing game of whack-a-mole because of how lucrative selling the cheats can be.

 

[RogerL]

The question: How locked down would you like your PC to be to counter cheaters? Like a console?
Not being able to run anything but a signed BIOS, signed copy of Windows, with only signed (GPU) drivers, and only the signed game (no other executable at the same time)...
This is most likely not enough...

 

[Nateo]

You mean cheaters from crossplay right. There is no "hacker" cheats for consoles.

 

[Daouzin]

I don't think there is a real solution to this. It's why I fundamentally can't care about online events and why in-person events will always be vital.

When it comes to the FGC the input delay is real and online is very different relative to offline.
In shooters, I can't really care, but having worked for a modded controller company, I know there are a lot of ways to gain subtle advantages aside from just PC mods.

 

[Stock]

You mean cheaters from crossplay right. There is no "hacker" cheats for consoles.

Click to shrink...

While not an aimbot or the like, there are still DDOS attacks on console. Don't follow many other console shooters but I understand that competitive Destiny play has this issue, especially when stakes are raised in the Trials playlist.

 

[Nateo]

While not an aimbot or the like, there are still DDOS attacks on console. Don't follow many other console shooters but I understand that competitive Destiny play has this issue, especially when stakes are raised in the Trials playlist.

Click to shrink...

Yeah well thats down to the devs not using shitty P2P stuff.

 

[LumberPanda]

The online gaming community doesn't like it when publishers try to take online cheating seriously. Every time there's a serious attempt there's massive backlash, and publishers often have to backpedal.

 

[Deleted member 437]

My ideal scenario? Separate crossplay between pc and consoles. You can choose where you want to play.

That way I can avoid pc players in my games. No offense. But I have no interest in playing with pc players.

 

[Ramirez]

Main reason I want to jump off Destiny 2 PC when the consoles launch.

 

[Iron Eddie]

The question: How locked down would you like your PC to be to counter cheaters? Like a console?
Not being able to run anything but a signed BIOS, signed copy of Windows, with only signed (GPU) drivers, and only the signed game (no other executable at the same time)...
This is most likely not enough...

Click to shrink...

Depends on the game. The way I see it is if people want fair play then there has to be some control. People are free to not play the game then but the game maker should also be free to come up with security measures without the internet in its usual frenzy "what about my privacy!" they love to spread as if they are going to be sniffing through our hard drives and posting it on Instagram.

 

[RiOrius]

What kind of cheats are around these days? Are wallhacks still a thing, or do servers handle visibility checks and only send clients info on things the player can actually see?

 

[Stock]

Yeah well thats down to the devs not using shitty P2P stuff.

Click to shrink...

True. It killed me a bit inside when Luke Smith said they were not looking to upgrade Destiny to dedicated servers.

 

[Deleted member 12867]

Fortnite always kept it under control when I was playing it, but it's been a long while since I last played. Wish other devs could do the same.

 

[AllEchse]

The online gaming community doesn't like it when publishers try to take online cheating seriously. Every time there's a serious attempt there's massive backlash, and publishers often have to backpedal.

Click to shrink...

Yeah because many of these measures are very invasive.
MY pirvacy is worth more than being able to play a video game.
THere's also video games like Doom Eternal where the anit cheat was installed even for the single player mode, which they rectified thankfully.

 

[808s & Villainy]

Yeah because many of these measures are very invasive.
MY pirvacy is worth more than being able to play a video game.
THere's also video games like Doom Eternal where the anit cheat was installed even for the single player mode, which they rectified thankfully.

Click to shrink...

Extensive anti-cheat measures
Full privacy

Pick one

 

[elyetis]

They are taking it seriously but online cheating will never be completely eliminated. Fighting cheaters is an ongoing game of whack-a-mole because of how lucrative selling the cheats can be.

Click to shrink...

I can't speak for all games, but there is some very obvious example where it's hard to believe it's taken seriously, the most recent one for me being Battlefield V.

cf this post : https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-v-ot2-empire-of-the-soon.145140/page-68#post-29619746

 

[AllEchse]

Extensive anti-cheat measures
Full privacy

Pick one

Click to shrink...

Privacy
It's not that hard of a choice
Not like I play that much competitive multiplayer stuff either way
Anti-piracy measures have already been crazy enough
And these things always hit innocent customers harder than the ones they are actually set in place for.

 

[808s & Villainy]

Privacy
It's not that hard of a choice
Not like I play that much competitive multiplayer stuff either way
Anti-piracy measures have already been crazy enough
And these things always hit innocent customers harder than the ones they are actually set in place for.

Click to shrink...

I'm not saying it's a difficult choice, I'm saying it's difficult to have both, especially when you consider the nature of a lot of cheat software and measures

 

[blaze]

There's going to be no realistic way of preventing it on PC that people will (or should) agree to, cross play with consoles and PC should not be enabled by default is the only real answer, just console only cross play with an option to enable PC too. It's one of the benefits of console gaming and while it may be unfair for legit PC players to be locked out of playing with console players, the benefit of the closed systems preventing the larger scale cheating scene that is on PC is something that should be protected.

 

[SCUMMbag]

Extensive anti-cheat measures
Full privacy

Pick one

Click to shrink...

That's not even a choice lol

 

[WellbornWarrior]

I think the only somewhat realistic solution is that someday AIs will be smart enough to detect cheats reliably no matter how many new ones are created.

 

[CupOfDoom]

Finding cheaters programmatically is really hard to the point that it might literally be impossible to stop all cheating. The only real effective way to stop large scale cheating is to have a bunch of people whose job it is to look at reports and ban players who are obviously cheating. Sadly alot of publishers aren't willing to spend the money to do it.

 

[Croc Man]

Online leaderboards are the worst. Why are impossible scores at the top? Like completing a game in 1 second?

You'd think they'd be easy to get removed but I couldn't even work out how to report them.

(Of course it's not always easy to tell, is using glitches legit etc but at least do something about the obvious ones)

 

[Winnie]

Unless game companies joins with hardware manufacturers, nothing will change. We need anti-cheat measures at a hardware level.

 

[Torian]

I think the only somewhat realistic solution is that someday AIs will be smart enough to detect cheats reliably no matter how many new ones are created.

Click to shrink...

This is my take on this as well. Forget detecting the cheating software. Instead detect the cheating patterns (pre aiming; snapping onto a target). Training of the ai could be done by community reporting and judging.

 

[El Bombastico]

Destiny 2 PvP on PC right now is all but unplayable....

 

[Croc Man]

Sadly alot of publishers aren't willing to spend the money to do it.

Click to shrink...

Maybe the console makers charging for online play could fund this sort of work, it could keep servers of less successful game running too. Oh.

 

[Hyun Sai]

In a perfect world, devs would take care of cheating on PC.

In the real world, the bandaid is to play on console and prevent crossplay with PC.

 

[RadioJoNES]

Every other game of Fall Guys has a hacker in it now :(

I'm definitely the minority here, but I'd be willing to install something like vanguard for every game if it means that would solve the problem.

 

[Dominic Decoco]

Main reason I can not go all-in on PC competitive and still have to consider the console versions. Cheating is a serious problem even today. There are a lot of jabronis in PC gaming.

 

[DaciaJC]

Finding cheaters programmatically is really hard to the point that it might literally be impossible to stop all cheating. The only real effective way to stop large scale cheating is to have a bunch of people whose job it is to look at reports and ban players who are obviously cheating. Sadly alot of publishers aren't willing to spend the money to do it.

Click to shrink...

One thing publishers could do is allow for community server rental. Historically, effectively-administered community servers have been one of the best ways of combating cheating and toxicity in general. And the pubs could even make money from it!!

 

[Anti]

A big negative for cross play, pretty much all the cheaters are in PC and it gets boring.

 

[Deleted member 76797]

Main reason I can not go all-in on PC competitive and still have to consider the console versions. Cheating is a serious problem even today. There are a lot of jabronis in PC gaming.

Click to shrink...

whats wild is people pay good money to cheat. not sure how that's even fun.

 

[WedgeX]

Why is cheating so prevalent? It's always been around (I remember mods watching out for cheaters during Tribes...). Are people that obsessed with winning games?

 

[Joco]

Cheating will only go away when games run completely in the cloud. Who knows how long it will be until then, if it will even ever be truely viable for genres that demand low latency like shooters or fighters.

 

[Pyro]

Cheats will always exist, best you can hope for is a publisher caring and combatting it without going overboard (which doesn't leave them much IMO).

 

[gl0w]

Agreed.

 

[Kittens McMittens]

What kind of cheats are around these days? Are wallhacks still a thing, or do servers handle visibility checks and only send clients info on things the player can actually see?

Click to shrink...

Calculating what a player can see can be quite an expensive operation. Valorant is one of the few games that tries to limit it by doing a PVS calculation for each player before sending the data. So, when it works properly wallhacks can only see around corners. That's still a big deal, but it's better than most games.

 

[WellbornWarrior]

Why is cheating so prevalent? It's always been around (I remember mods watching out for cheaters during Tribes...). Are people that obsessed with winning games?

Click to shrink...

I think a big contributor to the rise of cheating today is that more and more chinese people got into gaming together with their winning at all costs mentality.

 

[Daouzin]

I think a big contributor to the rise of cheating today is that more and more chinese people got into gaming together with their winning at all costs mentality.

Click to shrink...

I know in MMOs Chinese players are known for ruining the economies with bots and gold selling accounts, however is there a reason you're singling them out for cheating in this context? Just not sure where that's coming from.

 

[WellbornWarrior]

I know in MMOs Chinese players are known for ruining the economies with bots and gold selling accounts, however is there a reason you're singling them out for cheating in this context? Just not sure where that's coming from.

Click to shrink...

For example PUBG comes to mind where players where asking to region lock chinese players for ages since cheating was so rampant with them.

 

[Daouzin]

For example PUBG comes to mind where players where asking to region lock chinese players for ages since cheating was so rampant with them.

Click to shrink...

I see, that's weird.

 

[SixelAlexiS]

Yeah, even in the recent Rogue Company game there are cheaters, that "Easy Anti-Cheat" seems quite useless.

 

[upinsmoke]

Warzone is the best example. Turn off crossplay and things feel like they used to playing blackout. Turn it on and the difference is instantaneous. Wallhacks and aimbot galore. Fortunately Sony gave PS4 users the option to turn it off. I'd like MS to do the same or get the option to only play with console players.

 

[Optmst]

Every other game of Fall Guys has a hacker in it now :(

I'm definitely the minority here, but I'd be willing to install something like vanguard for every game if it means that would solve the problem.

Click to shrink...

Hopefully they don't force Crossplay with PS4 version

 

[Vuze]

Well yeah, I guess the only solution to that problem is to get a super locked down system/console and pray its engineers did a good job (as in not overlooking a hardware level exploit).

 

[dodo]

I think a big contributor to the rise of cheating today is that more and more chinese people got into gaming together with their winning at all costs mentality.

Click to shrink...

jesus fucking christ

 

[Yes]

For example PUBG comes to mind where players where asking to region lock chinese players for ages since cheating was so rampant with them.

Click to shrink...

It is true PUBG at least had loads of cheaters, but I don't know if you can single out Chinese here. I'm under the assuption the game is huge in China. It could be just from the sheer volume of players. Now the game is region locked and pretty much dead at least in NA. I guess you can go to other regions with VPN. There's a ranked playlist that needs to be paired with a phone number, but I think there's still cheaters.

Cheating is where the hype is. Was a fucking disease in Halo 2, but Bungie got their shit in order eventually. Took maybe a year. Or the cheaters just quit.

 

[ShinUltramanJ]

Every other game of Fall Guys has a hacker in it now :(

I'm definitely the minority here, but I'd be willing to install something like vanguard for every game if it means that would solve the problem.

Click to shrink...

That right there tells me not to buy the game then.

Developers/publishers need to handle this shit, as I'd imagine it affects game sales.