The topic of the thread is "the president cannot stop an election to stay in power forever"
What do you think happened during Bush v Gore?
Bush v Gore was absolutely legal. It was a bad decision by the SC, but it was not unconstitutional, and it is absolutely nothing like the situation proposed in this thread.
if Bush v gore had happened in Canada or the UK it would have been labeled as an coordinated attempt to steal an election.
Yeah, I agree.
I'm 100% sure your priorities at the first sign of a complete collapse of a federal election system that has survived two world wars, a great depression and several assassinations will be:
I don't blame people for not grasping what's probable when it was considered probable a handful of years ago that a president withholding aid to an ally for self-interested favors would be booted out of the oval office before the end of their term. Lots of conventions we as Americans considered air tight and infallible for the history of this country are being and for decades have been eroded away under the guise of honest political engagement not just because the GOP forces that erosion but because the response to it from Democrats is too often lethargic and impotent. If that pattern continues I don't think people expecting subversion of political norms on this scale are completely without merit.
I'm basing my feelings on past actions - which is usually a good indication of future behavior.
That's fair. I guess I'm more reacting to people who are too quick to dismiss concerns about fuckery come November - which I have also seen. But we have witnessed these types of things happen in other countries like Russia and China. Brushing it aside as "well that couldn't happen here" especially when we know that's what Trump wants and he has been gutting enforcement and protections wherever he can, feels like we're boiling frogs here.
This is an insane sentence. It was legal because the SC said it was legal - that's it. It was based on absolutely no precedent. This is literally the type of behavior I'm talking about. An election was stolen, and you're saying, "well it was legal". It was completely unheard of! Nobody could have predicted the Supreme Court would jump in and decide the election for the country - yet we're all supposed to know every scenario in advance in order to be concerned about what happens when Trump is up for reelection.
Exactly.
So, he obviously should have been.
It's not "insane", it's factually accurate. It's obviously a bad thing that Bush v Gore went down the way it did, but that doesn't make it illegal or unconstitutional.
And him trying is giving insane and unactionable orders to people who will just ignore him. Like what happens every day.
And when they don't listen for long, he replaces them, like what happens every day.
The emoluments clause....but that's so obvious it feels like cheating
...but if he's not the President anymore, he can't replace anyone.
but you said "like what happens every day". Why would anybody read that as a statement about orders he gives when he's not president?
...what?
What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
He said "like what happens every day" in no fucking way does that suggest he's talking about what happens after his presidency, especially given that the post he was responding to was not specifically about after the election. He's trying to backpedal and make his post make sense.
Seriously what are you talking about and what are you doing.
Where the hell are you getting the military specifically ignoring orders from any of this?! It's not in the thread title. It's not in the OP. It's not in the post he's responding to. It's not in his post.
Yes, he "often" gives orders that just get ignored, but he "often" fires people until he finds somebody who will go through with them. No it's not a guarantee it happens, but you made it sound like his crazy shit just gets ignored and never followed through. Plenty of his crazy unprecedented requests have been acted on. We literally had a whole impeachment about some of it. Some people ignored it, others absolutely did not - hell some of the people who actually did his bidding were fired too because they had the audacity to talk about it.
A lot of his crazy shit DOES just get ignored and never acted upon. Specifically, much of the stuff that is demonstrably illegal or just impossible.
He's not legally allowed to stay in the White House. He would be asked any number of times politely to leave. If he refuses, he eventually will be dragged out, loaded on Marine Two (probably), and asked where he wants to go. If he won't give an answer, he will be taken to his previously designated main private residence.
Also, not that it's really relevant, but most of them personally hate the guy. He treats them like shit and he embarrasses the office they have pledged their lives to every single day.
He does not have any authority over elections. He can't stop them.
Sigh.
