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PSA: Trump cannot delay elections
- Thread starter Syriel
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Well, the American people may seem lazy and apathetic most of the time, but when they get worked up about something they can make you run out of toilet paper in a hurry!
Dunno if "save" is the right word, but that's what tends to happen in countries that become failed democracies. Eventually the military has a part to play. Who knows what it would be for us though.
I'm sorry, I'm the one talking out of my ass?
Trump had every legal authority to act as he did with Gallagher. It was inappropriate and wrong, but not illegal. Trump does not have the legal authority to overthrow this nation's government.
My concern here is targeted travel advisories or even quarantines aimed at Democratic areas to suppress the vote. It sounds paranoid but would you really put it past them at this point? And it would play directly into his liberal cities = diseased cesspools rhetoric.
Once again, it's not an issue of who would STOP him. It's who would ENFORCE it. He can talk about it until he's blue in the face, but until every single state official (Democrats included) has a brain aneurysm and says, "Gee sir, you're right, lets do that!" it's not happening.
when people in power have proven to be as both cravenly evil and disorganized as the trump admin i think it's justifiable paranoia
Exactly!
What is the mechanism for Trump to accomplish this? Nobody who is entertaining these paranoid fantasies can explain that question.
I'm always mindful of this stuff and the discourse has been getting there for some time now. No surprise sadly.
Because, from your post, you're acting as though the Military is pre-depositioned to perform what is essentially a coup. Its a fantasy scenario and not something that would ever happen because the power structure that exists within the military is subserviant to the executive branch. Its more likely whatever scenario happens will be through the SCOTUS because Congress will be dead locked thanks to our senate unless something happens to absolutely tank Trump's favorability which so far COVID-19 hasn't.
You seem to be reading things backwards.
I'm not proposing the military would launch a coup, I'm saying the military would in no way back a coup launched by Trump.
I think the problem is that they can't go outside due to coronavirus.
But definitely, some people need to find healthier outlets than this paranoia.
I think Americans care a bit too much about what the Constitution says. They're not some divine creed handed down to enlightened men, they're just laws made by men who lived centuries ago that have required updating and amending ever since.
If Trump wants to break those laws, he will and the government will support him. They're okay with everything else he's done, so why would they stop him saying he wants to postpone elections until the pandemic is over and then he ensures it never is?
And even beyond this, that anyone thinks the American military is going to back a coup over the powers that be, the ones that sign their paycheck is just..lol.
Again, this line of thinking is based on the mistaken idea that the rule of law has ended.
It hasn't. Everything listed so far in this thread as an example of Trump ignoring the Constitution and legality have not, in fact, been against the law.
Again, this is actually the inverse of the argument we are making.
Speaker of the House is a separate position from a Congressperson. She doesn't even need to be a member of the house, and it has no fixed term defined by the Constitution.
Because even during Trump's completely chaotic presidency there is nothing to suggest he has found some sort of loophole through the Constitution. It's just absurd and not rational.
Show up to vote and receive one (1) free 8-ounce bottle of hand sanitizer!
Then the electoral college will meet and only the states present will vote on the Presidency.
The problem is we don't know if they would. Because as far as we've seen the military has gone along with much of what Trump has done and hasn't tried to resist it. (Once again see Eddie Gallagher.). The military follow its chain of command and with the way its promotion mechanisms are handled there is no reason why a military would deny an order from Trump whether lawful or unlawful.
If there's an attempt to delay this it'll be 100% determined by the SCOTUS and so far I have no hope that norms will be held to thanks to the current republicans in office. Nevermind the amount of work that has to be spend in the next year to get elections ready.
The biggest thing people seem to ignore is he wasn't elected indefinitely til an election says otherwise, he was elected for four years. That's the constitutional term. His term ends in January 2021. If there's no election to win another term he just ceases to be president.
Again, what Trump did with Gallagher is legal. Supporting a coup would be illegal.
They are not comparable situations.
Saying the military would support Trump just because is baseless.
This is not a rational fear.
I dunno what people get out of attacking the concerns of progressives when there's an actual enemy out there perfectly fine with letting people die. It just feels like a vector for people to be able to say "progressives are as bad as republicans" without having to worry about being called out for "both sides"ing.
Yes I'm sure the Democratic House will just do as Trump says.
For her House seat, not her Speakership. Anyone can be elected Speaker technically, you don't have to be a member of congress.
I did and see what you guys are saying but I still expect him to soft float something if he gets the chance
You are right, except for the last point. Pelosi would not be president, as the House of Representatives term would end just as the President's term would (working under the assumption that no election is held anywhere in the states). With no representatives, means there is no speaker. Each state can send emergency delegates, but I don't know what kind of timetable that would require under these circumstances to get them there and elect a new speaker, and each state also handles that in different ways. So it would then fall to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate who is currently Chuck Grassley(ew). The Pro Tem is elected by the Senate, but traditionally goes to the longest serving member of the majority party. With no elections that would leave 33 Democratic and 30 Republican senators. Patrick Leahy is not up for reelection this year, so he would become the next President of the United States of America.
Yep.
He probably will, but again, so what? He floats impossible nonsense all the time and his staff just ignores him.
Pelosi would not stop being Speaker until the House elects a new one. She doesn't need to remain a sitting member of the House, so her House term expiring is irrelevant.
With a tanking economy, bungled pandemic response, historical unpopularity and an easy-to-vote-for moderate opponent?
Fear mongering isn't "concerns of progressives". This is literally "King Obama!!1!" bullshit in 2020.
Oh, if this virus doesn't subside, he'll certainly float these ideals publicly. But then all that would happen is Hannity and Fox & Friends would say how good of idea it is, while every Governor the country will gleefully dunk on Trump by posting their memo response to Trump's "tyrannical" rhetoric, and score easy PR brownie points.
Literally nothing in their favor to concede.
this is hysterical
at the rate the virus is spreading in the us, y'all will have herd immunity by summer. it's not going to interfere with the election
at the rate the virus is spreading in the us, y'all will have herd immunity by summer. it's not going to interfere with the election
Christ, there are STILL people here that think he can delay or ignore the election?
And how are there still people who don't understand that the military isn't the president's personal militia. They are the military of the US government, not the president - and it operates under the law and constitution. The president is "commander in chief", but the military isn't his.
And how are there still people who don't understand that the military isn't the president's personal militia. They are the military of the US government, not the president - and it operates under the law and constitution. The president is "commander in chief", but the military isn't his.
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