PSA: Potential Issues with the Sony X900H/X9000H/XH90/X90CH and Next Gen Gaming

Deadceptor · Nov 16, 2020

1er tigre said:
Wait what ? Why is that ? And what is worse on European panels ? I was leaning towards q80t because of better viewing angles and better reflections handling.

From what I've gathered it's a totally different TV in Europe. Worse viewing angles and reflections due to missing anti-reflective coating and it has less FALD zones. Get a Q90T (or Q95T, the only difference being the One-Connect box or whatever it's called).

@dedmunk · Nov 16, 2020

Doctre81 said:
Yes? lol

Just tagged you since I see you talk about this TV on twitter all the time lol

derFeef · Nov 16, 2020

1er tigre said:
Wait what ? Why is that ? And what is worse on European panels ? I was leaning towards q80t because of better viewing angles and better reflections handling.

I wanted also to buy this TV for the exact same rason, but the Q80T in Europe is like the Q70 replacement. Samsung is really shitty with this sadly.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2020-samsung-fald-q80t-owners-thread-no-price-talk.3129784/#post-59499964

Having the Sony now - viewing ales are okay, you don't really notice the color degradation unless you are sitting in weird angles. Anti glare is also fine.

Pargon · Nov 16, 2020

1er tigre said:
Wait what ? Why is that ? And what is worse on European panels ? I was leaning towards q80t because of better viewing angles and better reflections handling.

You would think that being a panel manufacturer, Samsung would only use the best for their displays, but Samsung TVs are often the worst out there for "panel lottery" and are not even consistent across the same model worldwide.
LG are similar - except maybe for their OLEDs. Apple displays using LG panels are the best by far, as Apple have strict quality control. Meanwhile LG's own displays are often much lower quality because they want to sell every panel they produce.

JigglesBunny · Nov 16, 2020

bounchfx said:
Where is it 300 off?
Considering finally upgrading today but I can't for the life of me decide between the q80t, x900h, and lg cx. If the lg was cheaper it would be a no brainer but otherwise I don't know. Seems like everyone has one problem or another with the Samsung and Sony. How did you guys make your decision? Dang it lol

Holy shit, I'm in this exact same predicament, only I'm also looking at the Vizio P-Series Quantum X. I'm upgrading from a C8 and while the most logical evolution would be the CX, I am definitely tempted by the displays you've mentioned for their brighter HDR and lower cost. I'm definitely least tempted by the Q80T as that only has a single HDMI 2.1 port meaning I would need to juggle it between my Series X and PS5 but still, it's an option.

I'm stuck.

1er tigre · Nov 16, 2020

Deadceptor said:
From what I've gathered it's a totally different TV in Europe. Worse viewing angles and reflections due to missing anti-reflective coating and it has less FALD zones. Get a Q90T (or Q95T, the only difference being the One-Connect box or whatever it's called).

The issue is the Q95t costs 600 to 900€ more than the q80t.
Fuck.

Deadceptor · Nov 16, 2020

1er tigre said:
The issue is the Q95t costs 600 to 900€ more than the q80t.
Fuck.

Yup, it's a hell of a lot more expensive. But like derFeef here said, Samsung went ahead and just bumped up the 7-series by a number this year in Europe. Basically we have no real 8-series QLED here this year. Although there seem to be a Q85T that's the equivalent of the US Q80T, but I haven't really seen it anywhere...guess it's like UK only?

derFeef said:
I wanted also to buy this TV for the exact same rason, but the Q80T in Europe is like the Q70 replacement.

Ravage · Nov 16, 2020

JigglesBunny said:
Holy shit, I'm in this exact same predicament, only I'm also looking at the Vizio P-Series Quantum X. I'm upgrading from a C8 and while the most logical evolution would be the CX, I am definitely tempted by the displays you've mentioned for their brighter HDR and lower cost. I'm definitely least tempted by the Q80T as that only has a single HDMI 2.1 port meaning I would need to juggle it between my Series X and PS5 but still, it's an option.

I'm stuck.

Don't choose Samsung unless you don't care about HDR in Game Mode.

https://youtu.be/2DaZE_VGytQ

Skip to 10:40

Best TV for PS5 Gaming 2020: LG CX vs Samsung Q90T vs Sony X900H

We choose the best TV for PS5 (Playstation 5) next-gen console gaming in 2020, by comparing the LG CX, the Samsung Q90T & Sony XH90 (also marketed as the BRA...

youtu.be

Skip to 3:47

deadfolk · Nov 16, 2020

Does anyone know if its possible to pass VRR through a receiver that doesn't directly support it? I know 120hz doesn't work, but if you were only going to go up to 60hz would it handle that?

Im guessing the answer is nope, and you'd need to go directly to the TV and use eArc.

MotiD · Nov 16, 2020

Deadceptor said:
From what I've gathered it's a totally different TV in Europe. Worse viewing angles and reflections due to missing anti-reflective coating and it has less FALD zones. Get a Q90T (or Q95T, the only difference being the One-Connect box or whatever it's called).

Yup, I only learned about this after buying this model and felt like I got scammed lol
It's still an enormous upgrade over my last LCD TV that really, really old, but I wish I had waited a bit to see the XH90 in person and then decide

The XH90 arrived here at the end of the month when I bought my tv and it was supposed to be more expensive than the Q80T for some reason and it actually started that way, but it quickly dropped in price and is now cheaper

Lowrys · Nov 16, 2020

deadfolk said:
Does anyone know if its possible to pass VRR through a receiver that doesn't directly support it? I know 120hz doesn't work, but if you were only going to go up to 60hz would it handle that?

Im guessing the answer is nope, and you'd need to go directly to the TV and use eArc.

If it's HDMI 2.1 VRR then the AVR needs a functional 2.1 port, and none currently do.

Not sure about Freesync.

deadfolk · Nov 16, 2020

Lowrys said:
If it's HDMI 2.1 VRR then the AVR needs a functional 2.1 port, and none currently do.

Not sure about Freesync.

Thanks, yeah I suspected that would be the case.

Biteren · Nov 16, 2020

i wanted to throw it out there but the Sceptre E248B-FPT168 monitor is not 120hz compatable despite stating its 144hz

i did confirm it works on my PC at 120 frames but the PS5 wont detect it

Foxnull · Nov 16, 2020

Just got this TV. Which HDMI ports are 2.1? 1 and 2 or 3 and 4?

Couleurs · Nov 16, 2020

Foxnull said:
Just got this TV. Which HDMI ports are 2.1? 1 and 2 or 3 and 4?

3/4

Lowrys · Nov 16, 2020

Foxnull said:
Just got this TV. Which HDMI ports are 2.1? 1 and 2 or 3 and 4?

Be aware the 4K 120hz firmware update has been pulled for now.

drock5k · Nov 16, 2020

Foxnull said:
Just got this TV. Which HDMI ports are 2.1? 1 and 2 or 3 and 4?

3 and 4

JohnDusk · Nov 16, 2020

Lowrys said:
Be aware the 4K 120hz firmware update has been pulled for now.

I think that the update is still available in Sony's website. They removed it from OTA so to speak, so if you check for updates, the TV will tell you that you have the latest firmware. You can download it and install it from an USB drive though.

Lowrys · Nov 16, 2020

JohnDusk said:
I think that the update is still available in Sony's website. They removed it from OTA so to speak, so if you check for updates, the TV will tell you that you have the latest firmware. You can download it and install it from an USB drive though.

Yes, it doesn't auto update but you can download and install manually. I wouldn't advise it though lol

Foxnull · Nov 16, 2020

So Dolby Vision isn't available right now because the update was removed?

Nameless · Nov 16, 2020

Foxnull said:
So Dolby Vision isn't available right now because the update was removed?

The TV always supported Dolby Vision. It had to be given its own HDMI format because the X900H's EDID can't currently fit the data for both 4K/120 ans DV.

Select Enhanced Format and you're good to go.

Doctre81 · Nov 16, 2020

@dedmunk said:
Just tagged you since I see you talk about this TV on twitter all the time lol

Lol I know

TheChrisGlass · Nov 16, 2020

On another note, has anyone had HDMI issues when switching inputs?

I'm trying to determine whether it's my soundbar (Yamaha YAS-107) or the TV. It's NOT the cables. I had an issue with my previous TV, but before I jump on the Black Friday bandwagon, I just want to make sure it's just me.

Yes, it's on TV ARC input. It's not 100% of the time, either. Maybe like 20%. And once it works, it'll work, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS, etc.

But when it fails, hooboy. I'll cycle the inputs, and get silence.

ThatCrazyGuy · Nov 16, 2020

TheChrisGlass said:
On another note, has anyone had HDMI issues when switching inputs?

I'm trying to determine whether it's my soundbar (Yamaha YAS-107) or the TV. It's NOT the cables. I had an issue with my previous TV, but before I jump on the Black Friday bandwagon, I just want to make sure it's just me.

Yes, it's on TV ARC input. It's not 100% of the time, either. Maybe like 20%. And once it works, it'll work, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS, etc.

But when it fails, hooboy. I'll cycle the inputs, and get silence.

I don't know if this is related, but I having issues with audio going away going when switching between HDMI inputs. This is only started happening when I hooked up my PS5/Series X.

Previously I had a XB1, PS4 and a fire cube connected and didn't have any issues since I got the TV during the summer.

Now I have a PS5/XSX (on 3 and 4 inputs)/firecube connected. Sometimes when I just turn on 1 system, there will be no audio. Or if I have 1 system on, then turn on another and switch over, no audio. Then when I go back to the original console, the audio is gone. I am also having an issue where on the XSX when it is on 4k/120 specifically, there is no audio.

Doing a restart from the TV menu fixes this when it happens, but it's happening alot since I got my new consoles.

I though it was maybe the HDMI control functionality (like when you switch to the HDMI input, it turns the console on). I turned these off on both consoles and turned off the bravia sync stuff in the TV menu. Even with that, it's still happening. I even plugged my PS4 back in, and the audio issue is happening there as well.

Not sure what is going on. It's so damn weird and it seems like something with the new consoles and handshakes or HDMI port optimization started it.

Grips · Nov 16, 2020

Wait should I rollback my update? The tv updated itself in september if I recall..

TheChrisGlass · Nov 16, 2020

Well, I was having issues BEFORE the PS5, to the point where I gave up on the pass-through on my soundbar. So NOTHING else is on port 3 except the soundbar.

But going from the PS5 on input 4 to my hub on port 1 seems to get silence sometimes.

CasualsareFilth · Nov 16, 2020

So I've set the TV up and I'm liking it so far except for some MAJOR colour banding. I don't know if it's the sources I'm using (YouTube) but yeah the banding and jailbars are really noticeable when watching some 4k YouTube demos. Is this normal on this set or what?

CasualsareFilth · Nov 16, 2020

CasualsareFilth said:
So I've set the TV up and I'm liking it so far except for some MAJOR colour banding. I don't know if it's the sources I'm using (YouTube) but yeah the banding and jailbars are really noticeable when watching some 4k YouTube demos. Is this normal on this set or what?

After further testing I'm happy to report that it was indeed YouTube causing the banding! Had me worried for a second because I never noticed it on my previous TV. Pretty impressed with the TV overall so far, looking forward to gaming on it.

mdf/markus · Nov 18, 2020

Are there any arguments for keeping this TV in favor of a C9 OLed (besides the risk of burn-in)?

I'm about to have both devices at my place in the next few days & while I'm really impressed by my OLed ... you know ... I like new stuff ... and ... I don't know ...

Nameless · Nov 18, 2020

While any bugs or dips in performance should 100% be addressed, after 4-5 days of playing 4K/120, my experience across both consoles has been...kinda awesome?

I think it's pretty telling that this issue has really only been highlighted when hyper-zooming static images side-by-side. There's no appreciable "blurring", that I've been able to detect, during real world gameplay sessions.

Catvoca · Nov 18, 2020

I'm sure the issues are real and I hope they fix them in the upcoming patch, but I must say Halo still looks great at 120fps. Same with the other things I've tried. It is not very noticeable to my eyes, certainly not sitting from a distance away from the tv.

excessive · Nov 18, 2020

A new update has been released for x900h today.

*Minor update*, but hopefully fixes my daily reboot issue.

edit - seems like only NA has this update available so far.

Instro · Nov 18, 2020

Kind of annoying that various sizes of this TV are on sale/will be on sale, except the 55.

BelieveMeUstink · Nov 18, 2020

excessive said:
A new update has been released for x900h today.

*Minor update*, but hopefully fixes my daily reboot issue.

edit - seems like only NA has this update available so far.

Mines is saying I have the latest update.

Crawl · Nov 18, 2020

General question; when do all the TV manufactures unveil the 2021 models usually? Is it CES?

TheChrisGlass · Nov 18, 2020

Crawl said:
General question; when do all the TV manufactures unveil the 2021 models usually? Is it CES?

Yes, but that ain't gonna happen this year.

And even then, stuff like this TV didn't go on sale until like JUNE. And sometimes specs change, aren't announced, or have mixed signals from everyone rushing to show stuff off.

They usually spend more time promoting the higher end stuff on the show floor, and mid-range TVs get ignored COMPLETELY.

Nameless · Nov 18, 2020

Jessie.Bristol · Nov 18, 2020

Seems some people have the new update (no idea what it does), it's not available on the Sony Support page yet.

derFeef · Nov 19, 2020

December huh? But at least we know its coming soon-ish.

jamsy · Nov 19, 2020

So looks like new firmware is out today which allegedly adds support for PS5 4K/120hz

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/lcd-tvs-android-xh90xx_x90xxh_x91xxh_xh92xx-series/xbr-85x90ch/downloads/00017074

Is this what folks were waiting on? Or is this something else?

Bishop89 · Nov 19, 2020

jamsy said:
So looks like new firmware is out today which allegedly adds support for PS5 4K/120hz

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/lcd-tvs-android-xh90xx_x90xxh_x91xxh_xh92xx-series/xbr-85x90ch/downloads/00017074

Is this what folks were waiting on? Or is this something else?

I certainly have been.

But does it fix that blur issue people were experiencing.

Also people are waiting for VRR too.

Wonder when this up becomes live down under

NeoChaos · Nov 19, 2020

No, the 4K120 firmware was released a month or two ago; this is a re-release to fix some bugs that cropped up in the original release. We're still waiting for VRR support, as well as a fix for the blur in 120hz resolutions.

Bushido · Nov 19, 2020

Any idea why the colors are way more vibrant when I disable HDR in the PS5 settings? Enabling it just makes everything look dimly lit so that colors don't really pop anymore. I've adjusted the sliders in the PS5's HDR setup several times in different combinations but it doesn't seem to make that big of a difference...

drock5k · Nov 19, 2020

I had weird issue with my X900H earlier, when I turned it on the screen was black. I could still hear system sounds and upon closer review I could see dim images on the screen -- the backlight was off. A full unplug/replug was needed to fix the problem, hopefully it's a one-time thing.

TheChrisGlass · Nov 19, 2020

Bushido said:
Any idea why the colors are way more vibrant when I disable HDR in the PS5 settings? Enabling it just makes everything look dimly lit so that colors don't really pop anymore. I've adjusted the sliders in the PS5's HDR setup several times in different combinations but it doesn't seem to make that big of a difference...

Well, if I had to guess, it's because you're used to the artificially colored VIVID mode on TVs, not the accurate color.

Bushido · Nov 19, 2020

TheChrisGlass said:
Well, if I had to guess, it's because you're used to the artificially colored VIVID mode on TVs, not the accurate color.

I doubt it. I used several recommended settings now, but as soon as I turn HDR on in the PS5 settings the colors look way worse/desaturated. Almost looks to me as if HDR is on when I deactivate it, although I can obviously see it's not active in the TV settings screen. Same issue with the Series X by the way. Seriously frustrated, wasted several hours with this bullshit now and still looks like shit...

derFeef · Nov 19, 2020

Bushido said:
I doubt it. I used several recommended settings now, but as soon as I turn HDR on in the PS5 settings the colors look way worse/desaturated. Almost looks to me as if HDR is on when I deactivate it, although I can obviously see it's not active in the TV settings screen. Same issue with the Series X by the way. Seriously frustrated, wasted several hours with this bullshit now and still looks like shit...

I guess you have gone through all the picture settings and stuff like that? What does the XSX 4K TV Info screen say? If set up correctly it should have all the checkmarks minus either 120hz or Dolby Vision depending on the mode the TV is set in.

dgco86 · Nov 23, 2020

Digital Trends just released a video on PS5 settings for this TV.

More importantly, Sony has told Caleb directly that a firmware resolving the 4k120hz blur issue is coming by December 31 2020. Refer to the 8 minute 30 second mark.

No updates on VRR so far.

Nameless · Nov 24, 2020

dgco86 said:
Digital Trends just released a video on PS5 settings for this TV.

More importantly, Sony has told Caleb directly that a firmware resolving the 4k120hz blur issue is coming by December 31 2020. Refer to the 8 minute 30 second mark.

No updates on VRR so far.

This will be a problem after the 'blur' has been fixed, and is a big reason why it's been so hard to get accurate comparisons...

He's comparing the ~1440p/120 mode with toned down settings to 4K/60 running with ray tracing and all the bells & whistles. No fucking shit you notice a drop in resolution and worse lighting.

Patison · Nov 24, 2020

dgco86 said:
Digital Trends just released a video on PS5 settings for this TV.

More importantly, Sony has told Caleb directly that a firmware resolving the 4k120hz blur issue is coming by December 31 2020. Refer to the 8 minute 30 second mark.

No updates on VRR so far.

TL;DW: set everything to auto both in console and PS5 settings, remember to turn on game mode and HDMI enhanced format

PSA: Potential Issues with the Sony X900H/X9000H/XH90/X90CH and Next Gen Gaming

Prophet of Truth

Alt-Account

Alt-Account

What Are Ya' Selling?

Senior Game Designer

Senior Game Designer