Me too
Me too
1080p 60fps for now! Hell I am still hype.
Wondering the same as I just bought this TV last week. I don't care too much for 120fps, so if I can keep the display at 4K60 and not have the issue, i'll be okay.
I'm not sure if they even tested that, as Samsung are listing the range as "<20" in the specs - which makes me think they only copied it.
40–60 Hz is not enough to support doubling using the typical FreeSync LFC.
LFC requires a range of 2.5x to provide enough headroom for it to operate correctly (24–60).
I suppose it's possible for consoles to handle this differently, treating 40–60 as 20–30 if they know a game will never exceed 30, but I believe the native range on these Samsungs is 48–120 Hz.
Yes you can, you need to change the setting in the settings > watching TV > HDMI inputs to force it to 4K 120hz, just leave it on the enhanced setting for 4K60 with Dolby Vision. This is done on HDMI 3 and 4 ports.
I don't recall their review of the 48CX as a monitor making any note of the severe color banding issues that it has in PC mode, for example, and the scores they assign for bad performance in some tests seem far too high.
LFC is not just a "marketing term" - it's a feature which they had to add to FreeSync because it was missing at launch.I've tested this recently.
So as it stands, for a game with VRR enabled : such as Destiny 2 which might drop a few frames here and there from 30fps, you can lose those without judder.
It's a window in which VRR can effectively work here for a display with an advertised 40-60hz range (is 20-30fps)
So we have the evidence that "LFC" which is a marketing term does function.
Yeah, a lot of it seems arbitrary. I had to talk down a friend recently from buying a mediocre display because they saw that RTINGS had rated it "highly" based on a feature that it had a barely-passable implementation of, but scored well enough.I've been saying their scores are shitty for awhile now. You can have a set that has no HDR capability and it can still score over a 4 rating in its HDR ability. In fact the last I checked, pretty much all HDR capable sets had at least a 7 rating and up regardless of quality and only those that didn't had a 4. How they generate their scores are awful.
Yeah, a lot of it seems arbitrary. I had to talk down a friend recently from buying a mediocre display because they saw that RTINGS had rated it "highly" based on a feature that it had a barely-passable implementation of, but scored well enough.
It's especially weird because they say that they purchase all the displays themselves rather than accepting review units. I got into trouble with Samsung (far) in the past for giving one of their TVs an unfavorable score in a review after it had the worst clouding/mura I've ever seen on a display, and they started to withhold review units after that. If you're beholden to the manufacturers, inflated scores are somewhat understandable.
Wait... What's the problem with VRR and eARC?Issue is that not even the CX is perfect (although it is right now the best 2.1 option). 4K@120Hz with HDR works great but enabling VRR causes dark areas to flicker. In addition, I appears that eARC and VRR don't play well together either. Basically, VRR on TVs is botched in general.
Huh?Pretty much this. I went back and forth with so many TV's and then I noticed I am researching 2000$ sets which is CRAZY. Also those sets have some drawbacks as well - like I said, there is no perfect TV.
Got the x900h for under 1k and its perfect so far.
LFC is not just a "marketing term" - it's a feature which they had to add to FreeSync because it was missing at launch.
Prior to that, a 40–120Hz display would lock to 40Hz for anything below 40 FPS - which resulted in worse frame-pacing than a 120Hz fixed-refresh display. PC Perspective had a detailed video on the subject years ago.
A lot of people this year seem to have been making the mistake in thinking that LFC is a display feature which has to be supported by the TV though, rather than something which is enabled on the output device if the VRR range is wide enough (at least 2.5x).
It does seem that the Xbox consoles can support divisors of the VRR range though - presumably when the game is using half-rate V-Sync, rather than running 30 FPS at 60Hz via a frame rate limiter.
I don't believe that's a standard FreeSync feature - though I haven't touched a FreeSync display which is unable to support LFC in years now, so that may have changed. It will be interesting to see if the PS5 behaves the same way.
This is not LFC though, since LFC's goal is to support all rates from zero to the maximum refresh rate.
I think you can't have Instant Game response (which activates VRR) and eARC enabled at the same time because it causes audio delays.
I think you can't have Instant Game response (which activates VRR) and eARC enabled at the same time because it causes audio delays.
I think right now on the CX it makes more sense to deactivate VRR since it's buggy either way.I would say this is just another reason for me to avoid eARC but heh the other options right now are fucked too.
What is a good TV to purchase that is in the same price range as the X900H and doesn't have such issues? This was what I was planning to get on Black Friday but now I'm not so sure.
LG CX
Is that an issue even with the C9? Because I use VRR and eARC with no audio delay. Or is it only at 4K/120hz?I think you can't have Instant Game response (which activates VRR) and eARC enabled at the same time because it causes audio delays.
I honestly don't know. I saw it somewhere being mentioned as part of LG's documentation and it's important to me because I plan to buy a CX and I use a soundbar.Is that an issue even with the C9? Because I use VRR and eARC with no audio delay. Or is it only at 4K/120hz?
Right now it's my understanding that there kind of isn't if you want a TV with HDMI 2.1 at this price. Overall it's a great package for the amount you're paying but if these issues concern you it might be worth waiting for next year's TVs.What is a good TV to purchase that is in the same price range as the X900H and doesn't have such issues? This was what I was planning to get on Black Friday but now I'm not so sure.
So is this blur issue only for pc?This tv is meant for consoles, I have zero loss of quality on one X 1080p 120hz but I do on my PC at the same resolution/hz. I believe it'll be fine for ps5 - series X
I mean I'd wait at this point see what people like me gonna say about it :) But from my own tests, it seems like a TV/PC issue.So is this blur issue only for pc?
If so this good for me as I will only be using it for the ps5
This comment makes absolutely no sense. Why would it matter what the source is?This tv is meant for consoles, I have zero loss of quality on one X 1080p 120hz but I do on my PC at the same resolution/hz. I believe it'll be fine for ps5 - series X
Samsung q90t
samsung q90tWhat's a good non-OLED 65" TV on par with the LG CX? I really don't want to drop 2 grand on just a TV.
No clue, im just saying my rl experience and thats what I got. The tv is meant for console is for sure a hot take.This comment makes absolutely no sense. Why would it matter what the source is?
Still is not good enough in game mode. Just check HDTV test video released yesterday
Yeh Samsung (Q80T and Q95T) and game mode picture quality is turning me off from getting it over the x9000h, even with this blur issue.Still is not good enough in game mode. Just check HDTV test video released yesterday
Not only that panels are not uniform and they tend to have halo effect in dark even tough they have more zones.Yeh Samsung (Q80Taand Q95T) and game mode picture quality is turning me off from getting it over the x9000h, even with this blur issue.
I did but I own the tv and it's perfectly fine :/Still is not good enough in game mode. Just check HDTV test video released yesterday
Is that an issue even with the C9? Because I use VRR and eARC with no audio delay. Or is it only at 4K/120hz?
I honestly don't know. I saw it somewhere being mentioned as part of LG's documentation and it's important to me because I plan to buy a CX and I use a soundbar.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/jkiypg/reviewtechusa_drops_x900h_review_showing_off_4k/
Comments are suggesting this issue with the blur is only when using it with a PC. No idea if it's accurate or not.
Showing off 4k 120fps apparently.
Haven't watched the entire thing yet, so not sure if he covers the blur issue.
this is kind of why you need to wait and see it tested with consoles to be sure. All of this is solely based on PC And would need to know drivers, cards used etc to see if its universal or isolated.A couple others on the AVS Forum also not having the issue.
How strange.