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Sigh, unfortunately return policies in Singapore are not as consumer friendly as in the US, UK or EU so I couldn't even upgrade to the CX if I wanted to. This stings especially hard because I was all set to get the CX before I decided to do the financially responsible thing and settled for this TV at less than half the price for a larger model. Sorry for ranting, but the prospect of staring at what could be a pretty expensive mistake for the next 5 years is really bumming me out.
In the meantime I've sent an angry email to Sony's customer support. I suggest everyone affected by this do the same.
In the meantime I've sent an angry email to Sony's customer support. I suggest everyone affected by this do the same.
You can take consolation in the fact that you wouldn't have to worry about burn-in and still have good color accuracies.
LG OLED isn't perfect, it's not the best choice for gaming either.
I admit I don't know much about this but the EDID issue - isn't EDID a standard? So does this mean many/all future TVs will run into an issue with it where they can't enable every feature they might support, because there's not enough space? Hopefully something can be done about that in the future - increasing the EDID size? A new standard to replace it?
No offense, but who gives a shit about 4k 120?
Dude, nothing is going to hit that outside of some indie games.
Even 120 honestly. I will be surprised if in year 3 and beyond there is 120 fps games.
If there are, it will be in the vast, vast minority.
Dude, nothing is going to hit that outside of some indie games.
Even 120 honestly. I will be surprised if in year 3 and beyond there is 120 fps games.
If there are, it will be in the vast, vast minority.
I can run Witcher 3 over 100fps @ 4K with RTX 3080
And that's on ultra settings, I'm sure many older games can hit 4K / 120fps fine.
But I have to downsample to 1440p because I don't have a 4K display that can run over 60hz.
🙄 Please people, don't waste time and money trying to chase a perfect scenario. Do your research of pros and cons for things you're looking for and let price be a factor as well.
The X900h can be gotten for $1k and for that price it has to be one of the best out there. Not just for the display, but for the overall quality. Plus, I really don't see a whole lot of meaningful gaming 120fps in the future.
The X900h can be gotten for $1k and for that price it has to be one of the best out there. Not just for the display, but for the overall quality. Plus, I really don't see a whole lot of meaningful gaming 120fps in the future.
Yeah, this. I researched quite well and know this TV will be absolutely perfect for me personally while also being reasonably priced.
Awful post.
The TV is running at degraded quality within spec. Amount of games that may hit that is irrelevant and doubly so for PC players.
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Tbh I don't really care about 120fps performance at the price it's selling at.
VRR+HDR on the other hand, is immensely important and if Sony botches HDR as badly as Samsung's VRR implementation (seriously, why are people still buying Samsung TVs..), I'm ditching this from my buy list asap.
VRR+HDR on the other hand, is immensely important and if Sony botches HDR as badly as Samsung's VRR implementation (seriously, why are people still buying Samsung TVs..), I'm ditching this from my buy list asap.
I can almost guarantee you, you will not be disappointed. Nothings perfect as you see with this situation, but the overall package is dope.
100% agree. The X900H should be more than serviceable for the vast majority, because in that price range it pretty much over-delivers and not everyone (not to say only a small fraction of gamers/early adopters) is able to shell out more for a new TV alongside all the buy-in costs you have for a new gen console anyway. No matter what you choose, there's always something to nitpick, and these are "issues" I can certainly live with. There's no better option in that price range anyway, at least to my knowledge.
Pretty much this. I went back and forth with so many TV's and then I noticed I am researching 2000$ sets which is CRAZY. Also those sets have some drawbacks as well - like I said, there is no perfect TV.
Got the x900h for under 1k and its perfect so far.
What games are these? I've seen games offer one or the other but not both together which seems to be the issue with this TV.
Issue is that not even the CX is perfect (although it is right now the best 2.1 option). 4K@120Hz with HDR works great but enabling VRR causes dark areas to flicker. In addition, I appears that eARC and VRR don't play well together either. Basically, VRR on TVs is botched in general.
Okay just saw the digital trends channel, where they claim that the new firmware update will add VRR and maybe 4k 120hz to the sony tv.
Exactly. I went through two other TVs before trying the X900h and couldn't be happier for what I spent.
Same.
Oh my bad. The video I saw said it's not out yet and this was shot 6 days ago.
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4k120hz was enabled with the latest update. ALLM and VRR will be added in another update.
Doesn't look horrendous to me, sounds like hyperbole. Probably just bypasses some image sharpening post-processing that they do at lower throughputs.I re-hosted the images from AVSForum - this is horrendous! (120 Hz first if it needed pointing out!)
JFC these guys are so far up their own arse with the "lol soundbars" mantra. Yes everyone knows that a dedicated speaker setup >>>> soundbar setup but they really take the holier-than-thou-ness of that to new levels.Thanks for the suggestion. I don't really know enough about the AVR issue to comment on it but I'll add a threadmark to the ongoing discussions on AVS Forum and Reddit:
Reddit - Dive into anything
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I have a Q80T and I'm pretty happy with it.
I'd echo this too - know what your choice of TV does and doesn't do and what a few others can/can't do and then pick. Tech moves on and the 2021 TVs will be missing features compared to the 2022 TVs.
IMHO the CX is worth the extra over the 900 because of the proper blacks....BUT it's $300 or $400 more and that can be a deal breaker for many people.
EvilBoris' post on the importance of 4k120hz
This must be about the 15th time I've written this. I'm not sure why people are trying so hard to downplay the option to have the best image quality available to them. Especially as
Feeding a 4K 120hz signal doesn't require a 4K 120hz rendered piece of content, but it requires you to be able to A send it from the source device, get it across a cable and have the display process it.
Obviously, we know what resolution does, but we have seen many titles that render above the alledged sweet spot of 1440p on consoles, whether this is natively or it is via checkerboard.
Unless you're plan is for games to render at a
Even when those games are 30fps, there are benefits.
As for the refresh rate, there are multiple reasons we want 120hz
Even if the game is 30fps, this can reduce input latency.
For non vsync'd or adaptive sync games this can make tears appear nearer the top of the screen.
This can help reduce judder in games with poor framepacing.
This also facilitates Wider VRR ranges.If you are running at 60hz, then you will be limited to a VRR range of 20-30fps and 40-60fps. Leaving a gap of 30-40fps meaning potential residual judder/tearing.
Having a 120hz display means you can cover 20-60fps easily with VRR AND go above 60fps.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter what resolution the game runs at, your console is outputting 4k unless you fanny around in the settings on a per game basis.
With this TV specifically, it looks like that at 120Hz all the time, not matter what resolution too.
Don't forget in 3 years there'll be pro consoles too, so unless you want to buy a new TV then again, 120fps support might be a ton more common when the Pro consoles come out.
And with VRR you don't need 120fps to benefit over 4k 60hz displays... having 60-90fps on VRR >> 60fps on a 60hz display.
I still think by the end of the generation there'll be around or over 1,000 games that support 120 fps modes (including indies and last gen ports).
And with VRR you don't need 120fps to benefit over 4k 60hz displays... having 60-90fps on VRR >> 60fps on a 60hz display.
I still think by the end of the generation there'll be around or over 1,000 games that support 120 fps modes (including indies and last gen ports).
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I feel like the capital letters at the start of each line should spell a secret message or something....
"PLEASE JUST LEARN"
I don't have this issue at 1080p 120hz fortunately, but I'm pretty irritated that this is an issue at 4k 120hz because I bought this TV with the intent of pairing it with a 3080 once I can get my hands on one, so the "there won't be much 120hz content" doesn't fly with me.
So i can't return it because i have it for to long....
Now I'm mad, First Sony better respond to this fast. Step two if they can't corect that, sorry Sony but i want to get refund, now !
This is the worse scenario i was expecting, this thing going to escalade quickly.
Now I'm mad, First Sony better respond to this fast. Step two if they can't corect that, sorry Sony but i want to get refund, now !
This is the worse scenario i was expecting, this thing going to escalade quickly.
Fucking preach it, but some just can't resist getting that shiny new toy. Electronics manufacturers over promise and under deliver again and again. It's no secret and it's hard to feel bad for early adopters at this point.
This is not the only TV that has issues with HDMI 2.1 VRR and 120hz. The Vizio TV's have issues as well. I think I am going to wait what news comes out of CES 2021 to see what the improvements are. Also I also think TCL and Hisense will announce their first full HDMI 2.1 TV's as well. I am waiting to next year to get a TV.
We don't know yet. There's "speculation" because of no dolby vision logo on the box. That's it. At least on the PS5 that is. The stuff is still under embargo.
I bought a X900H this summer because my old TV was dying. I looked at the CX but it was 1000$+ than the 900H for the same size. I'm not surprised it's not as good as the high end OLED.
Wonder boy and the cursed kingdom upgrade 4k 120 fps at Ps5 launch... this is just the beginning....
Have you noticed many dead pixels in yours? Mine seems to have like 10 from what I can see.
Xbox Series X unleashed: Our unrestricted preview
In good news, we finally have a stunning 120fps game. But not much else, games-wise.
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Get ready.