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-Peabody-

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,594
Seeing all these reports of glitches is so strange to me because I preordered the digital deluxe for both PS4 and Switch and haven't encountered anything yet with either copy. I'm only a couple hours in but still.
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,735
NoVA
Seeing all these reports of glitches is so strange to me because I preordered the digital deluxe for both PS4 and Switch and haven't encountered anything yet with either copy. I'm only a couple hours in but still.
part of it is that a lot of it does seem to be design decisions, like in the case of sound mixing. it's a universal change, but it's hard to say if it's a bug or a deliberate decision. people familiar with the original game are going to call it out, but if you haven't touched it in a while it might not even seem like a problem
 

Everywhere

Banned
Jun 12, 2019
2,104
This is hilarious.

Sega said NO to QA. šŸ¤£

But who is buying Sonic games in 2021 anyway, nothing of value was lost.
 

-Peabody-

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,594
part of it is that a lot of it does seem to be design decisions, like in the case of sound mixing. it's a universal change, but it's hard to say if it's a bug or a deliberate decision. people familiar with the original game are going to call it out, but if you haven't touched it in a while it might not even seem like a problem

Sorry, I should clarify. I haven't encountered any of the major glitches like the graphical bugs or freezing. The sound mixing was noticeable right off the bat.
 

kimbo99

Member
Feb 21, 2021
4,798
So these insane visuals weren't front he drugs I was taking? Gotta get a refund from my dealer then. /S

I will not be buying this game based on the bad Switch performance and the frame drops from 60fps on the next gen back compat versions. Just doesn't seem like a good port of a Wii game overall. Will wait for a sale or gamepass
 

chivibowie

Member
Feb 14, 2019
242
Well, it's proving that most of the glitches are because the game is running on an PC emulator (Yuzu)....
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,349

Roliq

ā–² Legend ā–²
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Sep 23, 2018
6,175
Well, it's proving that most of the glitches are because the game is running on an PC emulator (Yuzu)....
Don't get how people claim this when the reason this went viral is due high amount of people reporting the glitches, unless you want to believe that everyone is using emulators

Also this doesn't mean anything for the issues that Xbox and PS has
 

Lynd

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,438
Not sure if has been posted, but this video is quite good at going over the games issues on the PS4.

Good youtuber and a general fan of Sonic.

 

ShinobiBk

One Winged Slayer
Member
Dec 28, 2017
10,121
"Nintendo Life 8/10."

Zero integrity.

They had a review copy on PS4 that they played on PS5

I don't think Sega actually allowed review codes for the Switch version

Edit - Forget that, I was looking at the wrong review smh.
The Nintendolife review is definitely of the Switch version
 
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liquidtmd

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
6,129
Not sure if has been posted, but this video is quite good at going over the games issues on the PS4.

Good youtuber and a general fan of Sonic.



This was a good watch

Yeahhh, all this goes beyond a patch - serious work would be required to get this up to scratch

Expecting a couple of patches that eliminate some of the major bugs, some tweaks to the audio but not many and for the game to drop to Ā£19.99 by the end of September
 

Marlew

Banned
Oct 24, 2020
73
They had a review copy on PS4 that they played on PS5

I don't think Sega actually allowed review codes for the Switch version

And at no point do they mention that fact in their 'Switch' review, though they disingenuously reference the 30fps as if it's their experience.

Remarkably, they did even worse than I thought.
 

Edward850

Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios
Verified
Apr 5, 2019
990
New Zealand
Those are random normal maps being displayed, WTF is this? Looks more like a dying GPU than anything else... How did this game get approval to ship in this state?
Two theories:
1. Luck. The graphical issues seem to slowly creep in and then get worse over time (judging by current data) so while QA/Cert may have encountered some graphical issues, they never got anything quite like this. A couple of graphical issues never really hurt anyone, and if nobody knew what lurked underneath.

Or
2. The issue was found, deemed to be very rare and thus unlikely to occur to a small subset of users with he deluxe preorder, and Blind Squirrel promised to fix it day 1. The game is still in "pre launch", technically, playing it early was a pre-order bonus for the deluxe edition. It remains to be seen if this was a thing 1.03 addressed, if the issue was indeed rare and Smonc defied the odds, or if launch is going to be... not great.
Edit: Wow Smonc just tossed the theory about the 1.03 patch. :V
 

Edge

A King's Landing
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,012
Celle, Germany
I think this confirms now that there just isn't any certification on the Switch platform, if a dev uploads a game, it's instantly accepted.

I mean, nothing really new with this shovelware eShop but good to have further confirmation.
 

Nanashrew

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,328
Smonc has more videos on his Twitter, but it seems to be issues of loading and reloading textures that might be causing it.

Here's another video they show off in a stage using off screen footage for proof the glitches they're getting is happening on an actual Switch. This one has Sonic's model warping and stretching.

 
Oct 26, 2017
6,571
Two theories:
1. Luck. The graphical issues seem to slowly creep in and then get worse over time (judging by current data) so while QA/Cert may have encountered some graphical issues, they never got anything quite like this. A couple of graphical issues never really hurt anyone, and if nobody knew what lurked underneath.

Or
2. The issue was found, deemed to be very rare and thus unlikely to occur to a small subset of users with he deluxe preorder, and Blind Squirrel promised to fix it day 1. The game is still in "pre launch", technically, playing it early was a pre-order bonus for the deluxe edition. It remains to be seen if this was a thing 1.03 addressed, if the issue was indeed rare and Smonc defied the odds, or if launch is going to be... not great.
Edit: Wow Smonc just tossed the theory about the 1.03 patch. :V
Both theories just kind of confirm the level of investment with this game being extremely low.
I mean we're talking potentially life threatening health hazards here, not some minor FPS hickups.
 

Aero

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,746
How come there's never any lawsuits when games have potentially seizure inducing glitches like this? I would have thought if that happened then it would make the higher ups more likely to listen to QA when they say there are problems with a game and could get sued if they're not fixed.
Is epilepsy disclaimer text when a game starts enough to cover a company for things like this?
 

chivibowie

Member
Feb 14, 2019
242
**checks post history**

Either you work for Sega or you just fell out of a time portal from 1999. Why are you still console warring for Sega? Lol
I really couldn't care less about Sega's past xD. No, I'm not nostalgic, basically because I wasn't even born when the Genesis was released.

In my previous message I only mentioned that some of the glitches seem to be via emulator. In fact several twitter users who were posting videos have deleted their accounts when they were discovered and some of the ones that are being posted here are quite intentional.

But well, I don't deny that there are bugs. In fact Sonic Mania was full of bugs at launch and in the end everything was fixed.
 

Edward850

Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios
Verified
Apr 5, 2019
990
New Zealand
Both theories just kind of confirm the level of investment with this game being extremely low.
I'd certainly be prepared to give the first option the benefit of the doubt, as it would require some degree of clairvoyance. At least in terms of how bad it appears to get over time. Though given how easily Smonc seems to be triggering the initial glitches (just flipping between worlds seems like a bog standard reproduction step), I'm not sure why that alone wouldn't have had an engineer looking at it to start with.
There's certainly an uncomfortable feeling to this all.
 

Cudpug

Member
Nov 9, 2017
3,551
Makes you start doubting the scores reviewers give these games. I watched 5 or 6 reviews of this game and none mentioned bugs, crashes or whatever the heck this is.

And why is Sonic so mismanaged as a series? Every game just seems to lack care and attention. I don't understand why they still don't know how to make a decent, non buggy game after decades.
 

Edward850

Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios
Verified
Apr 5, 2019
990
New Zealand
I mean, of course, but still, how else do you explain a release like this?
That is the question, certainly. I suspect we will never truly know the answer to that for a while. Just theories and speculation. Luck will have partly to do with it, this issue didn't always occur to everyone that played the game, and if the Tweets are any indication, you do have to do something somewhat specific to trigger it. I'm not sure to what extent Sega/Blind Squirrel didn't know about it though, that's the real mystery.
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,571
I'd certainly be prepared to give the first option the benefit of the doubt, as it would require some degree of clairvoyance. At least in terms of how bad it appears to get over time. Though given how easily Smonc seems to be triggering the initial glitches (just flipping between worlds seems like a bog standard reproduction step), I'm not sure why that alone wouldn't have had an engineer looking at it to start with.
There's certainly an uncomfortable feeling to this all.
Yeah and I doubt that stuff like this wasn't flagged by QA. I suspect budget (time and money) for this "remaster" being laughably low.
 

cw_sasuke

Member
Oct 27, 2017
26,341
How you mess up a Wii port like this ? Really gotta wonder what's been happening with Sonic at Sega the last couple years ....someone high up must really hate the series or limit the budget like crazy.
 

Hasney

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,588
OK, so I managed to glitch it out too. I couldn't do it on patch 1.0.0, but I took the latest update, played a few levels and finally this happened. MILD SEIZURE WARNING.



I was looking for the glitches, which is why I was ready, so doing this through a capture card

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I've left the loading screen in as well, because Yuzu basically makes the loading screen text flash, so you can see it's on real hardware. Yuzu also doesn't speed up loading, so that didn't explain the quick loading on the other guy either
 

Glio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
24,496
Spain
I think this confirms now that there just isn't any certification on the Switch platform, if a dev uploads a game, it's instantly accepted.

I mean, nothing really new with this shovelware eShop but good to have further confirmation.
The worst take of the thread, congratulations.
 

Hasney

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,588
Uploading a second video now, because I tried to finish the level and oh my god it got much worse.

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What's the sound mixing issue? Any exemples?

Here's a randomly loud robot death that blew out my ears with headphones


And here's some sounds just not working


The video I'm uploading after it exports for more glitches has even more examples