A lot of people want to know what the console can do, and I'm sorry Sony are not doing a great job of that right now.
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A lot of people want to know what the console can do, and I'm sorry Sony are not doing a great job of that right now.
What in the world are you talking about? I've never said any such thing.
The console is out in less than two months... regardless of the COVID argument and working from home fallback position people use, they should be showing a lot more than they have.
Only people that seem to think that are people on Era. All I see on my social media feeds are the ps5 girlfriend memes.
Statements like this are always baffling to me because it implies that consoles are not intended...to play games?
This will be the new battle ground.
Some ppl called this months....years? (damn) ago in the next gen speculation threads.:
TF vs SSD. And this was before official reveals from either company. Just the official acknowledgement of them using SSDs. That was also before official reveal of the Series X TF amount.
I'm aware of that. But the games arent ready yet. It is what it is. When they'l have their launch titles ready, they'll show more.
COVID or not, letting their teams finish their launch games instead of having to focus on previews and demo builds is better. Just means we gotta wait a little longer.
Games? Next gen games?
I dont know of this witchcraft you speak of.
Could never in a million years imagine buying a games console and playing games on it. Just an odd, perplexing expectation imo.
It's very exciting. I play on all platforms; even still on PC there's that friction to actually getting into a game (I only have SSD's in my system) that these new consoles are going to bypass (initially) from the sounds of it.
I think that the only game that you can rapidly boot into on PC is the Witcher. Launch it, spam space bar and you're in the game within 15-20 seconds
Seen lots of posts on twitter and Facebook complaining about the lack of information from Sony... pretty sure they are not all on era.
But seriously though I know lots of people who are not on era who think the same. I don't know, I guess we can use the Era bubble excuse every time we want to ignore opposite opinions... and this is talking from someone who has a ps5 pre-ordered... is it really that complicated to know about the machine that we are spending £449 on?.. and even if you don't think people need or care, how difficult is it to do good Pr. PS4 PR was really good, PS5 has been poor. You may or may not agree, that's fine, but that's my opinion.
Xbox hasn't showed any games according to people here, apparently.
This will be the new battle ground.
Some ppl called this months....years? (damn) ago in the next gen speculation threads.:
TF vs SSD. And this was before official reveals from either company. Just the official acknowledgement of them using SSDs. That was also before official reveal of the Series X TF amount.
Damnit, fine I guess.
OK I mentioned loading times of old games, but this also relates to launch games... they could easily just collate all the NEW games and show loading times, death/loading etc.. I mean the last show Sony did, it didn't even put a montage together of the games coming out at launch, you had to read the blog. Some games didn't even state they were launch games, again you had to find out in a blog... its just basic stuff....So its baffling to me that.. you mention games, and this is exactly what they are not doing a good job of, talking about the games, and how the console will make these games better. Really do believe MS is doing a better job of that right now... and this is coming from someone who isn't buying an Xbox.
As a consumer who MS and Sony are targeting with new hardware, I'm far more interested in the specs and features of the new console than I am in what appears to be mostly cross-generational titles. The PS5s UI and features are way more important to me than Godfall. Ideally they'd be showing a combination of both, which I think MS has been more successful at doing so far, although the games they're showing are BC titles in order to show off their console's new features. Still a long 30+ days to go until launch, so there's plenty of time. Also not sure how many next gen games have gone gold yet.
Sony has shown a couple first party not cross gen titles though :S
IDK I guess I'm just happy that I have a price, release date, new next-gen games to play at launch. I don't care about the console breakdown and UI is whatever, I'll spend most of my time playing games.
There are already games that load fast this gen. The Last of Us 2 even has near instant respawn when you die. The difference is every game should have this now upon death, as well as super fast (relatively) cold boots for games, and super fast loading transitions mid gameplay as seen in that Demon's Souls gif. This is something that should be homogenized with every game now with similar load times across the board, not having a game that loads instantly vs 10 seconds vs 1 minute anymore.
I've only seen Demon's Souls, and it's awesome, but I still want to know more about the console features. I'm not concerned about it. Still plenty of time for that. The argument that only one console maker is using games to demonstrate their console is straight outa Gamefaqs though.
People here going gaga over what PC players have been used to for years now. SSD of any kind is a huge improvement over HDDs. I'll be more impressed when you see the speed of the SSD actually utilized to swap entire areas and thus allowing for new gameplay things rather than the confined areas connected with some stupid "shimmy through a narrow part" sections design found in current games.
Then you also need to have the game designed to support this sort of thing or it's back to loading screens, just shorter ones. Even with current gen you can look at Nioh vs From Software games. Nioh has very quick respawn times whereas From Software games reload the whole level it seems. It's not like From Software games even have to do this because every time you use a bonfire it just resets the state and position of all enemies in the world so on death it could just do that and teleport the player back to the bonfire. But I am sure there is some practical reason this is not done, either legacy engine architecture preventing it or the part of the area not being in memory so it needs to be loaded. From Software games have far more visually complex areas than Nioh in most places.
Then you also need to have the game designed to support this sort of thing or it's back to loading screens, just shorter ones. Even with current gen you can look at Nioh vs From Software games. Nioh has very quick respawn times whereas From Software games reload the whole level it seems. It's not like From Software games even have to do this because every time you use a bonfire it just resets the state and position of all enemies in the world so on death it could just do that and teleport the player back to the bonfire. But I am sure there is some practical reason this is not done, either legacy engine architecture preventing it or the part of the area not being in memory so it needs to be loaded. From Software games have far more visually complex areas than Nioh in most places.
Come on man, you are saying that Destiny will be a true benchmark of SSD tech when it is a cross generational game.
Seriously, what are you reading? I said seeing a game that I play a ton of will drive home the difference to me. I never once doubted the benefits of SSD.
It is what it is.
As to seeing games, isn't whole big deal about new ratchet and clank that you can instantly switch worlds? They showed that months ago and talked about it.
And that's cool.. that's what info you are looking for for getting this console.. I've pre-ordered it but I just feel PR is lacking on things that are really easy to show..and this is coming from a Sony Fan/supporter..
Zero seconds? Thats your argument for why 5 seconds can't be considered as near instant? Instant means immediate or a short space of time. Most of the loading demo for next gen games we have seen at least for PS5 has been less than 3 seconds. Anything less than 5 seconds to me is near instant.
When they say no load time, they mean no waiting on a loading screen, they're not talking about streaming. These transitions in next gen games are not there to hide loading, they are there to smooth out the change from one level to another as textures and models populate. I think of it more like hiding the jarring change of the level rather trying to disguise how long it takes to load.
If everything in RAM are textures, then you probably could. But that's not the case. I genuinely don't get how people think oddle textures can be applied to general game data. It's literally in the name.
I agree with you saying SSD are great for more than loading and they are indeed revolutionary, because in a few years time even third party games will use SSD as the baseline and this will enable new level designs.
But only one console maker currently is using their next gen games to show their next gen console. That is true fact 🤷
I mean. i am super happy with xsx BC. if i ever buy one. but let's not move goal posts for the sake of argument.
Yeah sony constantly said "near instant" loading, an instant is still an amount of time lol. 2-5 seconds depending on what you're actually loading is what I expected.
Like if I'm playing Ratchet and I wanna open a rift and jump to another planet I'm still expecting that transition to take a few seconds. That's absolutely near-instant to me.
Cold booting a game or loading a new level will still take a few seconds but you'll see more transitions like in Astrobot rather than separate load screens
Sure that registers, but barely. I think they have done a great job showing off the hardware and features, but an exceptionally poor job showing off actual software. I mean I've played Gears 5 on PC sometime ago and it is a good game, but very strange way to headline your next console. And it has been so far, in terms of how much they have focused on it. I mean focusing on 120fps in particular is so marginal. On the other hand, agreed that Sony has done a pretty poor job of showcasing the system and features so far. Still, i doubt that is a significant factor in selling the system to anybody really. Now, if they show nothing of it before launch, then they criticism is even more valid. But still 4 or 5 weeks to launch and they have realed games, date and price. Those are the major factors.
It will be quite an improvement especially if they optimize for the new consoles. The low specs of ps4/Xbox one are a much bigger issue than the drive when it comes to pop in, they can't process all the real-time generation fast enough.
It isn't just Oodle Texture, it's a combination of both that and Kraken. Kraken is a great compression tool but it had problems with textures - this is why Rad Gaming Tools developed Oodle Textures to use in combination with Kraken. A combination of both tools gets you a compression ratio of 3.1x compared to 1.45-1.65x with Kraken alone.
From 2.5 to 10 sec is a 300% increase in loading times. I wager everybody can tell the difference.
Like I made with DeS, here is "Time between player agency" clip for the initial load of Astrobot (timing calculations based on vid framerate of 59.94fps):
Fair point but I have no idea how large that data set is when uncompressed and how it would affect the game's performance in run time given the interactions among different types of data and the size of each piece of said data.
Fair point but I have no idea how large that data set is when uncompressed and how it would affect the game's performance in run time given the interactions among different types of data and the size of each piece of said data.
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They have but mostly focused on next gen games. Starting from 2019 they showed the Spiderman loading demo and then over months as next gen games got announced they showed ratchet and clank and demon souls gameplay with near instant loading. Astrobot playroom loading was long but this new demo shows a big improvement from the first demo. All in all they are roughly 3 seconds long.
A good way to think about it. It took Microsoft this long to show this information because they have a set timeline and schedule by which they are releasing information. The same holds true for Sony. They have a marketing department and a schedule they go by. They aren't just deciding to show stuff just because the enthusiast gaming customers are very impatient and eager to know more about the new consoles.
