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You can buy a copy for less than £5 actually.
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PS5/XsX are better than 95% gaming pc's or is this just crazy thinking?
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Which is why I said "quick google" and asked "is it wrong?". Feel free to explain what you know.
Oh shit, just don't put me in the same jail cell with the TLOU2 leaker.
This is trash lolol.
A lot of might drop in price, might give equivalent performance, might be available by the end of the year.
If a gaming pc is a pc that someone games on, yes. If a gaming pc is a pc purpose built for gaming, the margin would not be that high, although it likely is over half.
And people very often can hunt down builds using deals, sales, refurbished, second hand, etc... to put together systems that fall way under estimates people make like this. Happens all the time in PC threads about building.
One of the best things about PC building is the huge breadth of options available when putting together a build. Very often people state top end prices for things like this.
Ok so I'll take the point about the O/S I actually bought it like a normal person.
I didn't include it in the figures though.
I didn't include it in the figures though.
A lot of PC player are not really ready to hear this yet but you're correct. I write a piece on that (in french), right now next gen consoles (especially XSX) are worth more than €1300 gaming PC.
No point explaining when they don't even have specs correct in the article itself like "Some 500 GB WD PCIE 4.0 thing"
Aside from budget, you shouldn't go with refurbished or second hand goods when it comes to building a gaming PC.
My current pc here in the UK.
Case £110.
Motherboard £115
2080 super GPU £800
2700x CPU £200
Nvme m.2 1tb £160
Fans £100
DDR4 3200mhz 16gb £140
PSU £160
Windows 10 £4
This matches (possibly exceeds XSX)
Total: £1789
Sure I could find cheaper parts but wheres the fun in that?
Case £110.
Motherboard £115
2080 super GPU £800
2700x CPU £200
Nvme m.2 1tb £160
Fans £100
DDR4 3200mhz 16gb £140
PSU £160
Windows 10 £4
This matches (possibly exceeds XSX)
Total: £1789
Sure I could find cheaper parts but wheres the fun in that?
the price quoted was the price there really isn't anything to debate.
someone said it wasn't a lot more than 1000USD and if you live in the uk it is very much exactly that.
sure you can hunt for parts over the course of a year or two but that's not what this is even about, if we are doing that then I'll wait two years to buy the ps5 at a cheaper price...
The next-gen consoles will basically have a 3700x, 16 GB of RAM, a RTX 2080, and a 800 GB/1 TB NVME SSD.
For (probably) $500.
That's incredible given the current price of the equivalent PC parts ($600+ for a 2080, $160+ for a 1 TB NVME SSD, $260+ for a 3700x).
This isn't even taking into account the extra custom tech in the next-gen systems like dedicated hardware decompression, custom 3D audio, etc.
For (probably) $500.
That's incredible given the current price of the equivalent PC parts ($600+ for a 2080, $160+ for a 1 TB NVME SSD, $260+ for a 3700x).
This isn't even taking into account the extra custom tech in the next-gen systems like dedicated hardware decompression, custom 3D audio, etc.
Likely the Xbox Series X is very close in real world performance to that. The PS5 is probably slightly behind because of the GPU. I would imagine we are looking at with 10% performance though. The above is right around the '95%' threshold imo.
Like why are you being intentionally obtuse?
It's a pirate copy of windows.
If someone gets an education key or volume licence key for free and then decides to sell it to you.
Right, every PC gamer is going to buy a new PC in in 6 months.
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Do you really expect 100% of PC gamer will upgrade to RTX 3000 as soon as they release ? And do you really expect Nvidia to put up a RTX 3060 that will match the RTX 2080 Super in raw performance ?
Do you expect 100% of current console user base to buy PS5/XSX day 1?
I too bought Windows, as it makes me feel good (lame I know) but really with Windows 10 you can download the ISO from Microsoft itself and just use Windows 10 forever. They will not block it. They put an annoying watermark on your screen, but thats all. Even give it updates.
Doesn't really matter. We are comparing the console specs with PC. The price of the console doesn't matter in this discussion.
The next-gen consoles are much further into the tech timeline as far as their starting points go (comparative to PC parts at that time) than any other generation before it. It's not going to be a better system than 90% of PCs, but I would definitely support the argument for more than half.
Hell, my R5 1600 / GTX 1060 (6GB) is going to get its ass handed to it by the next-gen consoles, and I'm pretty sure my PC is in the upper 50% as far specs go, even being a budget build from several years ago.
I think for this upcoming generation, it will be impossible for the PC space to build a "console killer" that you can get for cheaper than launch prices.
Hell, my R5 1600 / GTX 1060 (6GB) is going to get its ass handed to it by the next-gen consoles, and I'm pretty sure my PC is in the upper 50% as far specs go, even being a budget build from several years ago.
I think for this upcoming generation, it will be impossible for the PC space to build a "console killer" that you can get for cheaper than launch prices.
No but that's not what this thread is about :)
XSX/PS5 will be more powerful than 95% of gaming PC when the console releases. Doesn't matter what their marketshare is.
The new consoles aren't out yet, by the time they are new PC parts will be out. You won't be able to get a PC for the same price because console manufacturers get parts at a discount, but within the year you will be able to match the consoles around the same price point.
Also keep in mind that most people who will upgrade their PC will already have some parts rather than buying everything fresh. Like I already have an SSD that's almost as fast as PSV's SSD (5GB/s vs PSV's 5.5GB/s), and I got that for £100 (refurbished part though). Later this year we'll have faster SSDs or SSDs around same speed for cheaper price. That's the thing about PC, it's ever evolving.
Also keep in mind that most people who will upgrade their PC will already have some parts rather than buying everything fresh. Like I already have an SSD that's almost as fast as PSV's SSD (5GB/s vs PSV's 5.5GB/s), and I got that for £100 (refurbished part though). Later this year we'll have faster SSDs or SSDs around same speed for cheaper price. That's the thing about PC, it's ever evolving.
A windows OEM key goes for like £2 these days on ebay.
We get consoles for their "build price", that's why they are so cheap.
And for that PC, 10+ companies need to get their profits and licensing fees.
Uhh ofcourse the amount of people actually owning the said devices play a part in the percentages.
It doesn't take a year or two. When I built my PC I knocked £300 off the estimated costs given in the PC building thread in a couple of weeks by shopping around for equivalent parts.
It's not even out yet... this comparison isn't really meaningful until it drops anyway.
I did a quick google and found some info and asked it if was correct or not, you came in and told me I was wrong and refused to tell me why.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge mate, lol.
The amount of people actually owning gaming PC powerful enough do matter in the percentage. It doesn't change the console specs.
Op is absolutely correct.
Just stop. $1200-1500 is substantially more than a grand, but more importantly, WAY more money than the cost of either system will be, more than double, possibly triple the cost. Furthermore, those costs are for a PC that has less TF and a hard drive that doesn't exist on the market.
The keys are illegal and can and have been revoked. There's a reason why those keys are not allowed to be sold here.
We'll def see prices drops on all comparable parts by the time next gen consoles launch as there will be new hardware to buy. It will be nice to see consoles being the best bang for buck for a few months.
This should be a good thing for PC gaming in general. Would hope AMD would price their next gen cards closer in line with console cost:performance and also pressure nvidia to do the same.
This should be a good thing for PC gaming in general. Would hope AMD would price their next gen cards closer in line with console cost:performance and also pressure nvidia to do the same.
I mean statistically going by steam numbers this is objectively accurate
Most machines are using 9 and 10 series cards still with older CPUs
It's not definitive, especially come q3 or whenever ampere cards drop but mass numbers wise it will probably be true for a long while
Most machines are using 9 and 10 series cards still with older CPUs
It's not definitive, especially come q3 or whenever ampere cards drop but mass numbers wise it will probably be true for a long while
For GPUs and SSDs, yeah. But the CPUs is on the weaker side being under clocked compared to a Ryzen 5.
The number fudging in the US article is incredible lol. The author not only invents pricepoints that don't exist yet for the CPU/GPU, they then omit the OS, Blu Ray Drive, and near-equivalent SSD because "fuck it". All that to get to $600.
I think it's great that consoles launch strong this time around, and not immediately severely outdated before they even go on shelves, like the current generation (hello, shitty CPUs).
This will mean that the baseline for the coming years is at a good level. PCs will of course make these boxes look outdated before long.
This will mean that the baseline for the coming years is at a good level. PCs will of course make these boxes look outdated before long.
If you use google translate on this, I think you'll find it's far more accurate :
PS5 et Xbox Series X : les consoles next gen sont des PC à plus de 1300 euros
On connait désormais les caractéristiques détaillées de la PlayStation 5 et de la Xbox Series X. On peut donc l'affirmer, ces consoles sont des PC de 2020 à plus de 1000 euros.
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