Well, it has to get started sometime.
No time like the present....
Sony, can you please. Kudos to MS tho. Getting brownie points for next gen news.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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No time like the present....
Sony, can you please. Kudos to MS tho. Getting brownie points for next gen news.
that is definitely possible and goes along with the expensive cooling solution we heard about.
Maybe, let us remember Sony still has new PS4 games releasing April, May and June! Microsoft is ready to move on after the Ori release.
I can see Sony show something after FFVII.
So MS managed to have hardware data decompression.
The question now is, does Cerny implied speed wasn't available on PC at that time because he took the speed from decompression (6Gb/s for MS from a 2.5 disk)?
If not and implied ex4 disk, we are talking at what, 10Gb/s from a 4.5 disk?
That would be something.
Well done MS, I am not one of your customer in gaming, but it seems to be a really impressive device.
But the tower design is a killer for me.
The question now is, does Cerny implied speed wasn't available on PC at that time because he took the speed from decompression (6Gb/s for MS from a 2.5 disk)?
If not and implied ex4 disk, we are talking at what, 10Gb/s from a 4.5 disk?
That would be something.
Well done MS, I am not one of your customer in gaming, but it seems to be a really impressive device.
But the tower design is a killer for me.
Yep. And Nintendo just announced an indie direct. Bunch of monsters.
The fake DS5 is weird but otherwise yes. I still believe insiders so around 10% faster or slower, it doesn't matter, but it won't be under 10 TF.
There will be a lot of revisionist history, already happened because of RDNA 2.
I talked to someone at length about this a while ago on here. I expected something like this. I basically said that you can't have different sized RAM chips and not have different bandwidths too. So there would be a faster pool and a slower pool and the slower pool would most likely house the OS and CPU tasks.
The CPU clocks are interesting.
Devs can pick either
8 threads at 3.8Ghz or 16 threads at 3.6Ghz
Devs can pick either
8 threads at 3.8Ghz or 16 threads at 3.6Ghz
Until MS announces price and pre-orders open Sony doesn't have to do shit. It might make them throw a few bones but they won't alter any grand plans off the back of this I'm sure.
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It's the same as they were leading into the PS3 launch; this gen has made them smug and arrogant. Hope people enjoy their weak PS5 in the same way they did that overpriced lump of hardware.
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I wonder when they'll start their big campaign. I'm a bit surprised that they haven't said much yet, since they started last year already with the Wired articles.
I mean...this thing is going to be pricey right? People also expect the PS5 to still be a tad better...how much is that going to cost.
Still....beasty system the XSX is.
Still....beasty system the XSX is.
It's insane given the info MS released, and everything Klee and other insiders said, that anyone will continue to bat for Github.
It listed 56CUs for Arden. There's literally no reason for testing to include deactivated CUs. It's done.
It listed 56CUs for Arden. There's literally no reason for testing to include deactivated CUs. It's done.
You're embarrassing yourself.
It does match the NovaMonbasa reddit leak from January 2019..
It also called a 12TF Series X with 1TB storage, cross-gen Halo Infinite at launch, and Microsoft attempting to acquire Platinum. That's some pretty damn good guesses if they were made up, but who would be privy to all of that information?
I do see Github's credibility harmed by this reveal though.
Have you seen the XSX dev kit? Have you also seen the amount of empty space in that XSX build?
So what does that mean in your mind? Does that question the credibility of the data shown or just shows we were wrong about the relevance of the data?
If both systems get delayed into 2021 Sony are probably in the best position since they've not really revealed anything.
couldn't they have simply sourced their components cheaper resulting in a lower bom? i imagine being market leaders by a long margin and almost consistently selling 100+ million consoles every gen probably gives you +1 in your bartering skill compared to other manufacturers with less than stellar sales history.
couldn't they have simply sourced their components cheaper resulting in a lower bom? i imagine being market leaders by a long margin and almost consistently selling 100+ million consoles every gen probably gives you +1 in your bartering skill compared to other manufacturers with less than stellar sales history.
I still think the PS5 will be about 11.5 TF's, which is more than fine to me.
Sony has said plenty when you line up all of the information they have given on a sheet of paper. What people are craving right now are the technical specs, which I totally get, but Sony has a very clearly mapped out marketing plan and we will be getting those specs when they are good and ready to announce them. Sony announced that they would be "hunkering down" months ago and people seem to be acting surprised that Sony is hunkered down right now, even though that's what they said they would be doing.
Saying nothing to the greater market right now is a perfectly valid strategy, as is Microsoft's very aggressive strategy of blasting out a good portion of their messaging right now. Console launches are a marathon however, not a sprint, and which strategy was the right one will not really be able to be determined until a year+ into the next console gen.
Until then, everyone just needs to be patient, even if you are going a bit crazy at home in self-isolation :)
Its funny but there isn't really a mystery to it...Sony targetted a lower price with pro and made what they could out of it. MS targetted a higher price. There really isn't some engineering miracle going on here. Sony weren't willing to put the dollars in for a better cooling solution. I know it is not just cash but what you do with it, but it really isn't that hard to understand.
What is interesting if the same dynamic will play out this time. Did Sony target a lower price? If not, I would expect specs to be pretty much identical. What XSX is delivering is still a linear evolution of the actual tech. That is not to say their design isn't clever, certainly the bulk gives them more leeway for cooling than the more typical console design would.
Keep in mind that he could've had legit Xbox info while making up the PS5 stuff, or getting early but inaccurate Github info. What it comes down to is that the insiders who have actually put their names and reputations to their information all point to both consoles being about the same.
Just a reminder for people claiming it was accurate for the XSX. It wasn't. It may have been accurate at the time, or had all 56 CU enabled in the dev kit. No idea why some people get all salty.
Ahhh...right. 56 out of 56 active could have been a possibility.
Dark1x loved the hardware discussion you and rich did. Looking forward to the future content you guys have planned. Quick question if you don't mind. Did you or rich get a chance to listen to the consoles acoustics? The grill design isn't the most airflow friendly, lots of plastic between holes and I'm curious if it has a bit of a whistle or turbulence sound.
They've confirmed normal external HDDs will work, so you can just use those and put up with some initial transfer times.
...which is what many said about the github data from day one.....
Are you sure you haven't made a mistake with the 12.155 TFLOPS number in the video ? It should be 12.147 TFLOPS : 52*128*1825
How shocking, right?
I know I'm absolutely stunned, incredibly shocked by all this. I mean, how could such a thing happen? Who could have predicted this?
I mean, how could anyone have predicted that an out of context fragment of internal AMD data, leaked by a clueless intern who went and posted it on his personal repository, could be wrong? It's madness. On what people will believe now? Strange times.
It is a good try (and 100% agree) but you won't convinced people here.
We all know why MS keep talking about specs rather than new games, and we all know SONY won't introduced a new hardware without showing new games.
I must have missed Sony's "hunkering down" remark. Did they say this before or after the "more info in the coming months" statement?
That's not what DF said. You can only run older games from an external hard drive. Next-gen games can't. In that case the external USB option would only work as backup storage.
Edit: wait, is that what you meant by transfer times?
I'm really curious to see how developers take advantage of the SMT-ON/OFF feature with XSX. Having an additional CPU core to work with, in return of a very slightly underclock, might be an interesting dynamic to explore when making physics/simulation-based games.
Not feasible for a production model, ie the XSX, but for the dev kit, yes. The dev kit can have different/higher spec.
Honestly, there is and has always been so may holes with that GitHub nonsense. And some of us here have called that stuff out for months.
And how some or anyone right now in their right mind can still believe that a PS5 console ship with 36CU is beyond me.
Yes. They sit there as backup and would need to transfer to the SSD. A slower, but much cheaper option. Hopefully they facilitate it by letting you begin playing with only some of the data - Cerny has discussed that for PS5, thigh it was more in the context of downloading or transferring an initial purchase.
Wow! I was lead to believe we were getting 3.2 or 3.4 cpu speed. That 3.8(3.66) sure is a nice surprise.
Can someone explain the reasoning for the ram speed?
Can't believe the time has come to split the thread. 😦
Can someone explain the reasoning for the ram speed?
Can't believe the time has come to split the thread. 😦
Damn Tommy Fisher completely nailed the Xbox Series X specs. He said 52CU at 1.82GHz
This can't be a coincidence right ?
That's extremely specific if you ask me.
This can't be a coincidence right ?
That's extremely specific if you ask me.
I'm actually impressed by these specs, even if the mixed memory density and speed seems messy. The fact they managed to cram all of that into a 360mm² die, at those frequencies, is pretty neat. I honestly expected something around the 3.2-3.4GHz range for the CPU and 1600-1700MHz for the GPU, but I guess it's been obvious for a while now that MS said fuck TDP and go big or go home.
Not smaller than what everyone was saying :D Myself and Expy used the barcode on the chip to scale vs the one x and agreed both chips were very similar in size. My own images showed comparable aspects when others coming out with 400-410mm² had the same features over-sized by 1/8th.
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