They could do and have done so in the past with XB1.
Whether they will and if it is something they can deliver without affecting shipments is another matter.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Whether they will and if it is something they can deliver without affecting shipments is another matter.
Really hope Sony went all out with this thing. Maybe we also get a look at psvr2? I can't fucji t sleep!
Seems like a prototype of Knack 😂I want to see the return of this fellow
Gears is not using hyrid RT, it is just screen space tracing.
Minecraft Demo was not 60 fps when they flipped on PT. John noted it was below that.
Yeah that didn't sit right with me. Maybe it can be pinned on bad optimization? Hopefully because I wanna see 4K RTX games next gen
I mean you could just look at how ray traced games perform on RTX 2080s to see what to expect in the absolute best case scenario... it's probably going to be pretty rough at first. As the tech advances through the next decade I feel fairly certain we will at least get 1440/60 out of these things.
I feel we get very light RT in games. Godfall will probably be very light when it comes to RT, too, as well as many other games, it's just too taxing on the hardware.
In the end it will be a trade off in image quality: more pixels or better lighting?
Also because of Lockhart and PC, I see a lot of games having an option for RT disabled.
The cooling from both side thingy ? (yeah, i'm kind of a tech expert myself)
I agree. The scenario where Sony makes absolutely everybody happy is sub-optimal.
I want to see this plastic box genuinely break hearts.
Team 14 tflops,
This is your Captain speaking. We have finally arrived at the moment of truth. I want everyone to know that I am proud of each and everyone of you. We are a bunch of dreamers, and while tomorrow a 9 tflops console might shatter our dreams, I want you all to remember this country was built by dreamers. I appreciate you all for standing together while we were mocked, but here we are with the xbox series x already 12 rdna 2.0 tflops which is probably somewhere around 18 vega tflops and 20+ polaris tflops. Dont let anyone bring you down, we have already won.
I tried to bookmark all of your posts, but forgive me if i missed someone. Here is to everyone of your dreamers.
Starting with co-founder Xeontech of course.
TheRealTalker Cyborg Pharaoh sleepr Starwing Seshumaru PJV3 Dizastah BlacknGoldBlood Fargoth's Ring iboshow
P.S Team 13.3 tflops. Just an FYI, we are in the same boat for better or worse. If the ship sinks by a 9.2 tflops torpedo, we are all going down together.
Late joiner here, but I'll happily go down on that ship!
Well, what a day!
Seeing that tomorrow is gonna be jam packed with entertainment, let's keep this short and sweet tonight! khemical, modiz, aweedswee, nightstalker962, DigSCCP, 3bada. Y'all come on over and get y'all's new faces, mmkay? For the crime of picking the wrong date for the PS5 reveal, I hereby sentence you to the following avatars:
khemical, a special cover for those toilets-for-two!
modiz, be careful that you don't get....
aweedswee, it's a panda kitty!
nightstalker962, I felt it was appropriate for you to have this horrible action figure of Kolchak
DigSCCP, remember the Brady Bunch Variety Hour? Neither do I!
3bada, say hi to your mum!
That's all for tonight, folks! Tomorrow's the real fun. Let's hope it's not....
Damn, I got so close but at least we finally get to hear what Sony has to offer.
Not gunna lie I do hope its above 11tf though obviously it isnt the be all and end all. Still remember on the old site arguing with people who had way more knowledge about hardware and thinking they were all wrong with an agenda, pretty sure DF alex was one.
How wrong I was thinking Sony wouldnt bottleneck a console with a shit ass CPU lol. Anyway all I can take from all this is that the consoles seem to be way more balanced than the ps4/1x so it's going to be a treat seeing what Dev's can come up with.
How wrong I was thinking Sony wouldnt bottleneck a console with a shit ass CPU lol. Anyway all I can take from all this is that the consoles seem to be way more balanced than the ps4/1x so it's going to be a treat seeing what Dev's can come up with.
Modiz.. ouch.Well, what a day!
Seeing that tomorrow is gonna be jam packed with entertainment, let's keep this short and sweet tonight! khemical, modiz, aweedswee, nightstalker962, DigSCCP, 3bada. Y'all come on over and get y'all's new faces, mmkay? For the crime of picking the wrong date for the PS5 reveal, I hereby sentence you to the following avatars:
khemical, a special cover for those toilets-for-two!
modiz, be careful that you don't get....
aweedswee, it's a panda kitty!
nightstalker962, I felt it was appropriate for you to have this horrible action figure of Kolchak
DigSCCP, remember the Brady Bunch Variety Hour? Neither do I!
3bada, say hi to your mum!
That's all for tonight, folks! Tomorrow's the real fun. Let's hope it's not....
All these people.. missing the reveal by a day.
The earlier HBM rumours had Sony with a unified RAM pool of faster ram and slower ram. I don't think the CPU needs as fast bandwidth as the GPU. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see Sony with a similar RAM setup. Any cost they can save by using slower ram Is something that can be invested else where in the console...
Not sure why I did not get alerts for these.
Yeah. I think 7-10% of XSX. Source: tales from my ass.
RIP team 2019. Also RIP team Feb. I lost a little of myself there. Thats a fairly conservative estimate you had there.
Yeah. I think 7-10% of XSX. Source: tales from my ass.
RIP team 2019. Also RIP team Feb. I lost a little of myself there. Thats a fairly conservative estimate you had there.
I agree. That enthusiasm really brought life to the thread.
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14 tf to the end my friendsTeam 14 tflops,
This is your Captain speaking. We have finally arrived at the moment of truth. I want everyone to know that I am proud of each and everyone of you. We are a bunch of dreamers, and while tomorrow a 9 tflops console might shatter our dreams, I want you all to remember this country was built by dreamers. I appreciate you all for standing together while we were mocked, but here we are with the xbox series x already 12 rdna 2.0 tflops which is probably somewhere around 18 vega tflops and 20+ polaris tflops. Dont let anyone bring you down, we have already won.
I tried to bookmark all of your posts, but forgive me if i missed someone. Here is to everyone of your dreamers.
Starting with co-founder Xeontech of course.
TheRealTalker Cyborg Pharaoh sleepr Starwing Seshumaru PJV3 Dizastah BlacknGoldBlood Fargoth's Ring iboshow
P.S Team 13.3 tflops. Just an FYI, we are in the same boat for better or worse. If the ship sinks by a 9.2 tflops torpedo, we are all going down together.
The dreamers have spoken
And the time of reckoning is at hand
I really dislike how the Gears devs spread misinformation with their vague claims of raytraced screen space GI (to me this doesn't make any sense) or their 100+ fps without specifying at what resolution or settings. People will just misinterpret it or interpret it how they want and this causes a bunch of frustrating discussions.
I remember them doing the same thing at Gears 5's launch where they claimed they were using raytraced shadows in Gears 5.
Not going to happen, RT will be mandatory when the old consoles get left behind it's just that much easier for the developers to develop the games with it. PC has to deal with that but by the time, there will be plenty of RTX and RDNA2+ GPUs in PCs. And if not, RT might run a lot faster than today because it's not an afterthought anymore and APIs plus engines are more advanced, so even midrange GPUs without HW-RT could run the hybrid raster/RT games (not very well that is, but surely quite a bit faster than todays RT games with Pascal GPUs).
I predict RT will replace old raster techniques soon, such as screen splace reflections, SSAO and maybe even Global Illuimination. You could turn them off, but then the games will look like ass, developers might not bother with implementing the older techniques anymore.
And minecraft is path traced, which is immensively more demanding than the hybrid approach in modern games. It's an exception, not the norm.
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I mean the dude said, "there are 25 TF just for ray tracing". Thats going to be a no from me dawg.
And he has to do that thing where he's reading the book as the camera slowly pans in until he looks up and says "Oh, hello, I didn't see you there..."
Damn it my prediction was on march 19th... So close yet so far... Can I have a sentence reduction Transistor ? :D
It's not vague.
A screen space global illumination is a feature of Unreal engine.
Screen Space Global Illumination In Unreal Engine | Unreal Engine 5.4 Documentation | Epic Developer Community
An overview of dynamic global illumination using a screen space effect in Unreal Engine.
docs.unrealengine.com
They most likely do not use RT features from hardware for that. (Although it should be possible to use RT hardware to trace the heightmap in view pyramid, or use it for empty space skipping and then use custom intersection code.)
Distance field shadows are also standard UE4 feature. (Although not that widely used.)
Distance Field Soft Shadows In Unreal Engine | Unreal Engine 5.4 Documentation | Epic Developer Community
An overview of using Mesh Distance Fields to create dynamic soft area shadowing in Unreal Engine.
docs.unrealengine.com
That's not exactly how the rumour went. It was supposedly 4GB DDR4 for the OS, and the game RAM was 12GB DDR4 plus 8GB HBM2, which would be unified and managed on the back end by the High Bandwidth Cache Controller, with the CPU and GPU using what they needed. Now sure, the CPU generally fits with the low latency DDR4 and the GPU generally fits the high bandwidth memory, but there would still be times where certain functions of each chip could better use the opposite RAM type, not to mention that the CPU likely wouldn't be using all 12GB of DDR4 and so the GPU would probably use a lot of it whenever.
I would prefer to invert 12GB of HBM2 with 3 stacks at least 615 GB/s of bandwidth and 8 GB of DDR4 at only (51.2GB/s). But I suppose we will have GDDR6... 16 GB of HBM2 4 stack is 120 dollars, it would be cheaper.
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Really depends on features.
I would say that features can be a lot more interesting than pure amount of calculations and their impact certainly are more fun to speculate and discuss.
Polygon Man being the boss of Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale was a nice throwback.I want to see the return of this fellow
Why do many of you believe that the CPU clock speed will be lower in the PS5?
He was? That's pretty nice nod for the fans. I never played that game. I guess I'm part of the reason it didn't do too well. :(
He was? That's pretty nice nod for the fans. I never played that game. I guess I'm part of the reason it didn't do too well. :(
It's not vague.
A screen space global illumination is a feature of Unreal engine.
Screen Space Global Illumination In Unreal Engine | Unreal Engine 5.4 Documentation | Epic Developer Community
An overview of dynamic global illumination using a screen space effect in Unreal Engine.
They most likely do not use RT features from hardware for that. (Although it should be possible to use RT hardware to trace the heightmap in view pyramid, or use it for empty space skipping and then use custom intersection code.)
Distance field shadows are also standard UE4 feature. (Although not that widely used.)
Distance Field Soft Shadows In Unreal Engine | Unreal Engine 5.4 Documentation | Epic Developer Community
An overview of using Mesh Distance Fields to create dynamic soft area shadowing in Unreal Engine.
I know all this. Hell I've linked your first link to other people myself. Maybe vague is the wrong choice of words but they're spreading misinformation this way in my opinion. The raytracing they're talking about isn't the same thing at all as hybrid realtime raytracing but that's how most people will interpret it. Most people have very little knowledge about raytracing so they'll just assume it's the same thing as what Nvidia has been talking about. They don't specify at all what they mean with raytracing and I'm pretty sure they're doing that on purpose.
I mean loads of people are already misinterpreting it. The same thing happened last time when they mentioned raytracing.
If I recall correctly they literally said they were using raytracing for shadows in Gears 5. How do you think most people will interpret this? In this case I'd say they were being vague. In the current context I'd say it's as close to being a lie without it actually being a lie.
I would prefer to invert 12GB of HBM2 with 3 stacks at least 615 GB/s of bandwidth and 8 GB of DDR4 at only (51.2GB/s). But I suppose we will have GDDR6... 16 GB of HBM2 4 stack is 120 dollars, it would be cheaper.
Well, we'll find out tonight.
That graph is interesting. I wonder if it would be possible in a few years to have a Switch 2 with HBM3 on an even smaller process node, using 1 4-hi 8GB stack with 358GB/s. Maybe a 6-hi 12GB if it was really needed. Would shrunken HBM3 in a portable be an option?
Think people are just assuming based on the fact that PS4 had a lower CPU clock than the One / One S and Pro had a lower clock than One X.
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