Graphics have been a selling point of games since forever. Even the SNES/Genesis ran a ton of commercials about which had the better graphics.
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PS5 Specs are out. Does Microsoft need to respond? And when will they?
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Graphics have been a selling point of games since forever. Even the SNES/Genesis ran a ton of commercials about which had the better graphics.
They released technically 2.
Xbox one
Xbox one X
The S model was just a slim version of the original in terms of gaming.
How do you think PCs work man? Lockhart isn't holding back anything. If anything Lockhart is the ace in the hole. It allows Microsoft to occupy both the high end of the gen and the value end. Sony as they are now is stuck in the middle again.
?? PCs are held back by consoles. These next gen consoles are going to finally utilize the powerful CPUs and SSDs in ways no dev has done this gen. The GPU enhancements are going to make every PC game this gen look last gen as fuck.
We're not getting a full reveal ~18 months before launch. It'll likely be closer to the Scorpio reveal back in E3 2016. Though I do wonder if they will reveal a bit more than they originally planned now that Sony has revealed some specs. They may feel the need to also let gamers know that they will be offering the same advancements in their next gen console. Still, I don't expect a full reveal until maybe late this year with next year being more likely imo.
I wouldn't expect next gen tech demos this early. Those are more likely to be at the actual reveal event, assuming they have one.
A 8 or even 6TF won't hold this generation back. The graphical side of a game is highly scalable. It's the other aspects, like game logic or physics, that are harder to scale. Best case scenario, Lockhart matches the PS5 in CPU and memory while cutting costs with a weaker/smaller GPU, regular HDD, etc. This would allow the system to run next gen games at 1080p or 1440p with longer load times, etc. Even if the CPU and memory doesn't measure up, there are ways to get around it if those components aren't scaled back too much. I guess my point is: depending on how it's designed, Lockhart doesn't have to hold the generation back, even if it's graphically less capable.
Also I don't think canceling Infinite after telling millions of people they'll be able to play it would do wonders for mindshare. As long as the game turns out great, there's nothing wrong with it being cross gen. This would be like canceling Death Stranding or Cyberpunk for current gen. Assuming both are cross gen titles.
No I'm saying Devs will target Anaconda and PS5. Lockhart just gets a paired back version. Just like how if you have 2080 and your buddy has a 1070 he can still run the game it's just not gonna be as good as you can. It's an entry level next gen experience.
I imagine either the xbox is going to be slightly stronger or slightly less powerful. I think the real difference in cost and performance will be if MS choses to implement a similar SSD system as Sony.
For me, it doesn't really matter. I'm getting a PS5 because I went into PS4 gen with the assumption that PS5 would be 100% BC with PS4 (also why I went all digital) and that has proven to be true. My library of over a few hundred titles will be carrying over to the new gen.
For that reason alone, this was the most important gen to win/lose. I'm too engrained in the eco system to drop out now.
Sony would have to seriously f up to get me to switch at this point.
For me, it doesn't really matter. I'm getting a PS5 because I went into PS4 gen with the assumption that PS5 would be 100% BC with PS4 (also why I went all digital) and that has proven to be true. My library of over a few hundred titles will be carrying over to the new gen.
For that reason alone, this was the most important gen to win/lose. I'm too engrained in the eco system to drop out now.
Sony would have to seriously f up to get me to switch at this point.
"Xbox' generation to win at the beginning"; "they have the tech to wrestle with Sony, big-time."
That doesn't sound like that all, but okay.
That sounds likely. I wonder if they will go Vive or Occulus or just support everything haha. VR is gaining traction slowly and it would be a shame to miss out on some of the really cool VR stuff that is being worked on.
They can definitely guess, and luckily for them they are both working with the same partner for the silicone. Now obviously I do not expect AMD to share information between competitors, if you get creative with how you ask the question verbally and not on paper then you can lock down fundamentals.
"so if we pay you to design and manufacture this silicone for our new console, can we be confident that this will be the most powerful custom SOC to be used in a console"
AMD " you can be confident that this will be the most powerful SOC to be used in a games console"
MS: "thank you"
Ram and other things like design are a different kettle of fish though. Son'y number one thing they need to do to sell me on the PS5 is to talk about noise levels. I booted up my ps4 for the first time ina while last night and playing dreams was awful on my ears.
Almost, but not quite. It did have a tiny bit of extra power under the hood, although that would go unnoticed in most games, but unlike the original model, it supported HDR and internal upscale to 4K. Each of them is a separate SKU, which might not be the term that you wanted to use, but use it you did. Regardless, when there's room for two models, there's also room for three or even more - again, as Nintendo examples also demonstrate.
True but nothing specific about the boxes are out so how would Phil himself guarantee that? It isn't a matter of fact and there's no bases for probability other than correlation with the X which was released under the context of a midgen refresh. "it will" or "it most likely" are amusingly premature
But if it's the same SOC as the one in Sony's console, it's still the most powerful one to be used in a game console, isn't it?
Agreed but this is not something specific to Xbox. When Phil said that Xbox fans were eager to believe while PS fans were eager to dismiss. Even now with a very vague reveal of PS5 specs, there are people here outright saying MS can't compete head on.
In the end, people will believe what they want to believe. We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
This can't happen due to customisation, only if you mean SOC basic stuff like CPU and GPU off shelf kinda thing. Sony is customising console to help out in VR and 3D Audio on SOC level.
Don't forget about games to play on the new system.
I'm sure they will preview tons of games from their new studios at E3, but how many of those are Xbox One games vs games for next gen will be interesting.
I think you mean Crackdown 3. Who cares about specs when you can have FUN games on your platform. After all, F is for friends who do stuff together ♫.
Yep, I said the same earlier. MS are two for two with silent consoles.
PS4 and PS4 Pro are annoyingly noisy. I know some people are like turn up your TV or use headphones but nope If you're charging premium prices I expect decent hardware that isn't whirring away constantly and heating up my room.
It's hard to argue with the truth. But I've learned a few things playing Crackdown 3 on Xbox One X, and one of them is that we can have both.
It's true that MS engineers stepped their game up bigly mid-cycle. But launch PS4 was such a marvel I remember reading an interview circa-2013 with some Xbox exec doubting the reveal hardware was real because you couldn't see any holes for ventilation.
Nope. I think it Technically gives Xbox the advantage to overshadow PS4 with their next console specs at this point tbh.
Amazing. What a thread.
MS don't need to do anything. Sony simply wanted to get some info out there as dev kit deployment ramps up. Some of the take in here are ...sensational.
thats because i believe the x1x was built by the surface team which are also making the next box
Don't think Microsoft is concerned much at all with what Sony is doing from a hardware perspective.
No cause the slim offers 4K upscaling,HDR and if I'm not mistaken slight improvements is some games.
Isn't it likely that Sony gave out this news about the PS5 so they can head off the inevitable leaks? Cerny in the interview said they were ramping up deliveries of PS5 dev kits to developers. There is no way Sony could keep PS5 info from leaking when dev kits are out there with 3rd party developers. A report about the PS5 from someone like Jason Schirer was inevitable within a couple months, maybe even weeks from now.
Working in the IT industry and seeing how all the "hardware" companies, which included other divisions of Microsoft, are going to Software/Licensing based business I would not be surprise if they follow the rest of the IT industry and invest more in the Software, Digital, Subscriptions. As they are already showing with some of their decision over the last year or so.
What I mean by this is, its very possible Microsoft will not try to compete with Sony in the specs race, but rather in the Licensing/Subscription and Services/Software side Next-Gen
What I mean by this is, its very possible Microsoft will not try to compete with Sony in the specs race, but rather in the Licensing/Subscription and Services/Software side Next-Gen
Sony managed to make a huge performance jump with the PlayStation 4 with one of those details. The GDDR in the PlayStation 4 was fairly last minute, but was an important one.
They will wait until E3 to surely one-up what Sony has shown. The Anaconda version of Scarlett is probably beyond PS5, after all.
The interesting thing for me is: Microsoft has a two-front technological war ahead. They promised to retain the horsepower crown they obtained with the X but, at the same time, they need for xCloud to keep pace with Stadia.
The interesting thing for me is: Microsoft has a two-front technological war ahead. They promised to retain the horsepower crown they obtained with the X but, at the same time, they need for xCloud to keep pace with Stadia.
I don't know whether or not Xbox will beat the PS5 in specs, but I do find it odd that the discourse is that Sony has hit the next gen buzzword bingo, and that there are no more worth marketing XD. I think Sony did a great, but still VERY strange and (honestly somewhat underwhelming), PR thing yesterday. They indeed are getting first dibs on lots of great concepts (who knows how much play these will get in the broader scheme of things really, though). But slick marketing works both ways.
Phil or Mike or Kareem gets on stage and dismissively goes "Oh an SSD? Sure, we have that. Raytracing? Yep, you got it. Here, why don't you take VR with any PC VR headset, too. Backwards Compatibility? Who do you think you're talking to!" "Now, let's talk about the actually exciting stuff..."
Now, of course, Sony has more to share. But this "reveal" didn't even hit all the bullet points of the Scorpio let alone the next box. We know nothing about thermals, for example - not even something vague like "liquid cooling" or "vapor chamber". I'm 100% certain that Sony already knows their cooling solution, if not fully engineered it. No mention of how PS5 will work with the cloud. No mention of Ai or machine learning. Trust me, there are still plenty PLENTY of buzzwords on the table for any company to pick up. Let's not ignore Google (and Amazon and Apple?) in the wings too.
Phil or Mike or Kareem gets on stage and dismissively goes "Oh an SSD? Sure, we have that. Raytracing? Yep, you got it. Here, why don't you take VR with any PC VR headset, too. Backwards Compatibility? Who do you think you're talking to!" "Now, let's talk about the actually exciting stuff..."
Now, of course, Sony has more to share. But this "reveal" didn't even hit all the bullet points of the Scorpio let alone the next box. We know nothing about thermals, for example - not even something vague like "liquid cooling" or "vapor chamber". I'm 100% certain that Sony already knows their cooling solution, if not fully engineered it. No mention of how PS5 will work with the cloud. No mention of Ai or machine learning. Trust me, there are still plenty PLENTY of buzzwords on the table for any company to pick up. Let's not ignore Google (and Amazon and Apple?) in the wings too.
Im interested to see what Lockhart can do. What if MS can get slightly lower resolution same frame rates with PS5 just with lockhart. All for 299 399. Would be awesome.
It was dumb of Sony to do this so many months out. Like if you aren't launching until November 2020, then obviously things are going to change to an extent.
However, it doesn't really matter in the long run. The PS5 will dominate the world and the only competition that it will have is in America and UK. Otherwise it's business as usual.
$499 is a really bad price point though to try and launch with. They also need to upgrade their digital infrastructure and marketplace to something along the lines of the Xbox One. Microsoft has a modern system, but the PS4 seems stuck in the early 2010s.
However, it doesn't really matter in the long run. The PS5 will dominate the world and the only competition that it will have is in America and UK. Otherwise it's business as usual.
$499 is a really bad price point though to try and launch with. They also need to upgrade their digital infrastructure and marketplace to something along the lines of the Xbox One. Microsoft has a modern system, but the PS4 seems stuck in the early 2010s.
MS doesn't need to react to an announcement. Nothing changed, all these details they announced yesterday would have been leaked soon anyways as dev kits started rolling out, just like they did with PS4 pro and PS4 before that.
Lol Sony back in November achieved the fastest deep learning speeds through distributed learning. You guys needs to stop dismissing Sony.
Lol are you serious right now? Sony is their biggest competitor, you must be from lala land if you think ms don't care.
Microsoft needs to make their position on console VR clear. Sony is carving up the market and they seem to be twiddling their thumbs. With this announcement Sony has reconfirmed their commitment to VR and Microsoft appears to have once again chosen to become a late comer to an emerging market.
Where was I dismissing Sony? Wth. My point is that this "reveal" hasn't nearly shown all of Sony's cards and doesn't nearly show all of MS's cards either. There is "pressure" in the sense that they announced anything at all. But not really in terms of the actual content shared. That's the point. Nowhere did I say Sony don't have cloud or AI or thermal tech (lol), my point is that there are still PLENTY of things for everyone else to say. My console preferences are clear, but you can maybe stop being so defensive and lumping "you guys" altogether. Calm yourself
You created a scenario where Ms would downplay Sony by saying we have that too. In what world? In fact it's the opposite
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they gave us nothing, so it was not dumb to announce this, it was actually smart and reassured a lot of ps4 users to continue buying games, knowing that next gen is a way off and their current games will work on the ps5. the 499 is not confirmed? and we have no information about their infrastructure, so maybe we should stop calling it dumb and work with the facts, which say that we dont have as much info as it may seem.
Well saidI think Sony sent a strong message with the annoucement.
Towards PlayStation 4 owners and intenders, not MicroSoft.
They made clear there won't be a successor available in 2019, and they also made it very clear that investing in (digital) games & services within their ecosystem will still make a lot of sense in the upcoming 1,5 years since you'll be able to use them on your potential next-gen console right away.
Making sure that whatever MS announces in June will be matched from a technical level (especially with regard to the SSD) is just a bonus.
That said, I believe people drastically overestimating the impact of the next console's hardware since - at the end of the day - both consoles will probably be quiet similar from a tech perspective.
So both Sony and MS will have to focus on services (like cloud gaming, game pass, etc.) and add-ons like PSVR to differentiate themselves from each other AND the current gen 4K consoles they already sell.
I'm pretty sure Sony is "concerned", giving how important PlayStation is for them. But definitely not because of "hardware". That's the very, very least of their concerns.