People continue to doubt the guy who is literally making the console. And also, for the people who say they were disppointed by the announcement, I would say to just relax until PlayStation has its conference.
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PS5 Opinion Pieces: Sony’s next-gen reveal was a stroke of genius [Push Square] and feels like a victory lap [GeekWire]
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So they copied all the same promises and features their competitors already have or promised long ago and are in full catch-up mode. How is this interesting? It's also hypocritical of them when they spent an entire generation shitting on BC and how "that's not what our players want" only to come out and say "okay yeah they all have BC and people like it, so we caved and did it too but only for ps4."
I don't think that the All digital is a driver for Microsoft as you think it is. It's another option which is why it was quietly announced on a show that not many people watch rather than holding until E3. The mixer stream had 25k viewers when I was watching. If you think Sony were that shook by this console they had to talk PS5, well...
What even is this post? I don't see why Microsoft's current gem sales matter for a generation where everyone starts at 0.
No competitor had SSD's 'confirmed'. SSD's were certainly rumored but with big caveats to their implementation. It was a hot topic of discussion.
Now Sony is out here dropping this SSD tech and suddenly it's old hat and totally expected for them to do so. It's nonsense. It's great to hear that the tech is real, feasible and inside the next PS5 regardless of what competitors are doing.
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This is beyond exaggeration. One comment from Jim Ryan doesn't equate to shitting all over this entire generation no matter how you put it.
Nothing is officially confirmed [next Xbox] except for insider stuff on forums.
Pro doesn't lack 4K support.
Catch up to what exactly? Are we talking about BC, refund policy, console cross-play, or all of these?
A lot of people do not want to concede that. There has been a narrative going on for a while that Xbox was going to come roaring into nextgen and crush Sony (a little hyperbolic, but not much) because they felt that Sony's decisions and relative silence the last year means they have gotten "Arrogant" or some other bullshit and will rest on their laurels next gen.
Having this stuff confirmed, the PS5 being more of the same but better, the PS5 being backwards compatible, the PS5 being no hardware slouch, and Sony taking the reigns on the discourse for next gen shatters that narrative.
The problem here is that Microsoft was already driving the discussion. We've known about Xbox scarlet since last year. Known about it and known it aims to be the best console out the gate. Sony was quiet and now they responded.
Sony starts with a 100M userbase invested with physical and digital purchases. None of the competitors start at 0.
Fair enough, but they're no longer driving the discussion in any way, shape, or form. Sony has totally taken control of this conversation, in the most unexpected way possible. Again, I think it was a masterstroke.
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What has Microsoft shared about scarlet other than best console out of the gate?
Where did Microsoft confirm specs in the the next Xbox? And if you're going to make a claim, make sure you have all of the details. The article reports bc with at least PS4.
It wasn't a reveal, it was a look at what they were doing for the PlayStation of tomorrow. They were very smart about it, making it sound like it was some very advanced gaming console (8k ready, SSD, Ray tracing, etc) that probably wouldn't affect those in the market for a cheaper gaming experience like the PS4.
I applaud them for having the confidence to talk about their next gen console vision so early though.
I applaud them for having the confidence to talk about their next gen console vision so early though.
😅 Sorry my post came off that way but I I didn't mean it exactly like that. I know the Xbox All Digital isn't a major part of MS' future strategy for next gen and I'm sure Sony doesn't view it as a threat. It's just that I feel it was smart of them to still steal attention from MS and control the narrative in the way they did.
Sure MS will reveal their new console when they are ready too since they were the first to announce one last year. This time though they will be the ones having to steal attention back from Sony's reveal, and Sony revealed enough to keep people excited but didn't reveal enough to ruin the mystery of their next gen console, and that will be tricky for MS to do.
I don't know... I feel like the PS4 event reveal was as stroke of genius... it took all the wind out of the reveal for Xbox and was public enough that gamers everywhere got hyped. This felt a bit muted, confident mind you but muted and low key...which is really odd unless one of two: maybe PS5 really is farther off than most think and 2021 is the real window? So Sony wants to be in the mix by bringing this to light but they don't have more specifics to give? OR they just wanted to get this out now so once Xbox announces they will already be part of the conversation including Google and can do a response full reveal after the MS showcase? Personally I would have thought they would have done exactly what they did with the PS4 since that worked really well.
MS has been driving discussion for their next-gen plans for the past 9 months via all the controlled leaks. A lot of them are very strategic in nature, reflected at their high-level business plans, intent to support as much platforms as possible, etc. Stuff that they're already doing this gen, but will be fully accelerated next-gen.
The difference, I would say - is that while MS were willing to share a lot of deets regarding their next-gen plans, the stuff that Sony shared with WIRED were stuff Xbox explicitly did not put out as part of their controlled leaks for the simple reason that MS wanted it to be part of their E3 (along with games and all that jazz)
Like, Sony instead chose the complete opposite approach, where they dropped the tidbits of their next-gen console ( without revealing the raw numbers ) and choose to keep mum on any business level plans.
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Interesting. Can you source and compare what Sony has copied? Did Microsoft publicly talk about next gen components?
This is completely false.
I believe it's the latter. Google has made their plans public and Microsoft is expected to follow up. Sony wanted to make sure they're in the conversation with their direct competitor.
I meant no offense. Your articles and choice of words are a bit too slanted for my taste. All the power to you if you, or anyone wants to fanboy over a brand, but I'm less inclined to take those opinions serious since there's a heavy bias in it.
No one was saying the next Xbox was going to crush the PS5. The PS5 information doesn't really change anything since no reasonable person was expecting Sony to heavily drop the ball by repeating a PS3/XBO-level mistake.
I'm curious how you even came to this scenario in your head.
While I agree that MS has driven the discussion so far, I wouldn't count leaks or rumors as part of that discussion. If it didn't come from MS, they are driving any part of the discussion.
You mean we've known about the Scarlet through rumored leaks. MS hasn't come out in any fashion to talk about the capabilities of their next gen console(s). All we've got from them is confirmation that they are working on something for next gen which is pretty much a given. I don't see how you can conclude that they've been controlling the narrative based on that alone.
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Sony have the market share and that matters as peoples digital pruchases will keep them on the platform they have right now, that is not starting at 0. I don't see MS increasing their market share by huge amount compared to what they have now.
For Sony the job is alot easier they pretty much have the rest of the world, they just gotta to focus on the US to keep/increase their market share, whilst for ms the it is alot harder as people outside the US don't really see the Xbox as compelling and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
The fact that it existed at all. That was all they needed to do. And now Sony had to do this. They couldn't just say PS5 is coming. Their silence and other actions drummed up too many theories and conspiracies. They addressed BC, which MS set a standard for this gen and already said is the rule going forward. They addressed power sort of, which MS already committed to with the One X. They quelled fears, while as I keep saying, not really saying anything. Sure PS5 will be strong but how strong? It will have BC with PS4 but what about everything else? Like other desperately needed network and service features? We don't even know if it will have a 4K Blu-ray player that the Pro should've had. They matched what we already know about the next Xbox. That's really it in my eyes.
Felt more desperate to be honest. They caught industry rumblings of what MS has planned and decided to hastily put together some info in an attempt to wow impressionable gamers.
The BC news, for example, that's the least people should expect and yet it's treated like a fantastic move by Sony.
No. What Sony should be talking about, is what MS has been doing for the last few years, multiple generational BC through hardware.
If they still offer PS3 BC, throw that on streaming as part of Plus, but PS1, PS2 hardware BC should be there as standard and offer upgrades similar to those MS offers with their BC titles.
Any less is embarrassing on Sony's part.
The BC news, for example, that's the least people should expect and yet it's treated like a fantastic move by Sony.
No. What Sony should be talking about, is what MS has been doing for the last few years, multiple generational BC through hardware.
If they still offer PS3 BC, throw that on streaming as part of Plus, but PS1, PS2 hardware BC should be there as standard and offer upgrades similar to those MS offers with their BC titles.
Any less is embarrassing on Sony's part.
Cerny's the one who gave the info not a leaker. He's the engineer in the trenches leading the team making the actual hardware. And if it's indeed coming in 2020 it seems obvious he's almost certainly settled on the component details of what's going to be in the box aside from any bumps they might be able to do due to timing, like the ram bump the ps4 got due to timing making it possible.
Yup.
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Doesn't really seem like a joke to mention this. It's hilarious how much is left up in the air after the "reveal," and yet here we are with "Sony was genius" levels of approval.
Was backward compatibility ever in doubt though ? I think it was pretty much a given as SSD. Ray Tracing was the real surprise.
I'd imagine they're less concerned about Microsoft this go around, what with MS's focus on services and streaming, which isn't something Sony has focused on much in its messaging.
It was an exciting article, but I feel like those two authors are getting somewhat carried away.
What ?
Xbox One initial marketing campaign was about redefining how games were played. Innovation for the sake of innovation does not "just work".
This guy never heard of PsNow??
PsVR ?
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Haha... the casual nature of the reveal of PS5 seems to have shook some of you to the soul.
Yes they were... they absolutely were. We've been inundated with "MS poised to dominate next gen" rhetoric for at least the past year. Plenty of people drank that kool aid hard, so this is likely proving to be a bit of a wake-up call for them.
Yes they were... they absolutely were. We've been inundated with "MS poised to dominate next gen" rhetoric for at least the past year. Plenty of people drank that kool aid hard, so this is likely proving to be a bit of a wake-up call for them.
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I remember when people were disappointed they didn't reveal the box when they announce the PS4. How much does that matter today? We will get everything in time, what they talked about in the interview is perfectly fine for a console coming sometime next year. At least now devs can say their games are coming to the next gen PlayStation and we know all our shit from PS4 will carry over.
Man people really love console companies that threw me off a bit
Why does this read like a pr thread instead of an informative discussion wtf lol. As far as the reveal.. it was ok they didnt provide nything outside of the architecture they're using which most already assumed. Biggest revelation probably was the ssd. Even ssd isn't really a surprise it's been an industry standard for some time
feels more like what some call "surprises" is more "be gratefull competition is not dead".
Yup.
Also including that our PSVR stuff (and the headset as well) will carry over, which is also awesome.
What does this matter? Sony said it first?
Ray tracing in video games have been talked about
microsoft won last gen when it mattered, Sony caught up in the end but at that time Microsoft was still the one to beat.....until Mattrick happened.
Gamepass and X-Cloud will pick up the slack and right now they will the ones offering more avenues to experience next gen. (PC, multiple xbox's and mobile with x cloud). Right now Microsoft has the better services, Sony will have to step up there and offer competitive solutions.
Physical box sales won't be the only indicator of success next gen.
They have revealed quite a bit more than MS has regarding the console itself. So I don't think it's fair to say they only matched it. They took a different approach than what MS has been doing and it was a smart move. Now the pressure will be on MS to produce a competitive product while also alleviating some of the concerns surrounding the PS5.
