PS5 Loading Times Round-Up (Cold Boot / Resume / Next-gen games)

Deleted member 9857 · Nov 6, 2020

FoolsMilky said:
From the other thread, can go in the OP next to his (Tom Warren's) results maybe

I wonder why that would make such a significant difference? or if it's like others have wondered that it's what you have installed that effects it? I wonder if we could get some tests of PS5s that have nothing installed vs. ones that have several games installed?

gofreak said:
Ah, ok, thanks. I dunno then!

yeah, it might be good to add that post from get2sammyb to the OP nib95?

jpbonadio · Nov 6, 2020

Thanks for the thread Nib, this is much more informative than that other one. Let's wait for more testing and resports so we can understand why the disparity in results.

get2sammyb · Nov 6, 2020

To be clear, I timed from the beep of the console to the user login screen. Let me try again now.

EDIT: I got 8.31 seconds, from beep to user login screen, with Days Gone suspended and a PS4 game downloading in the background.

Praedyth · Nov 6, 2020

Nice post! We need to get a standard test.
Same game. Same wired connection or no connection at all. From the moment the button is pressed or from the moment the screen turns on.

I feel it's kinda pointless to compare so loosely, specially when it can involve connectivity. You can't guarantee that the Internet or the servers aren't the bottleneck.

(lol nice tag, nib)

SoulsHunt · Nov 6, 2020

Deleted member 54073 · Nov 6, 2020

Izanagi89 said:
I'm not looking forward to next gen discourses lol "IT'S 3 SECONDS LONGER?? WHAT IN THE 7 HELLS IS GOING ON??"

Look forward to it no more, its already here

arsene_P5 · Nov 6, 2020

graywolf323 said:
the full break down in the other thread from @get2sammyb of Push Square contradicts this

Fair enough and 8 seconds is definitely faster. I think it's clear by now that there are some slight and imo not meaningful differences. Could be networking (auto login) or some other weird stuff we can't predict yet happening. But what's clear with him posting a video is that he isn't lying and for some reason his PS5 is providing slower results than the rest.

canderous said:
Can we please not make this the stopwatch gen? jfc

Haha, no we can't apparently. I wish we could, but you know... Just wait for cross and next gen comparison. It will be unnecessary chaotic.

canderous said:
Tom Warren's Xbox cold boot is 4 seconds longer than the Dave Lee one, for example (yet everyone is focused on the ps5 one).

Uhm... Good point.

Stat · Nov 6, 2020

Not to sound like a maroon, but isn't resuming from rest state pretty much instant on the ps4?

gofreak · Nov 6, 2020

graywolf323 said:
I wonder why that would make such a significant difference?

Ah, so reading that, it's a good possible explanation for the discrepancies.

If it's deliberate, the reasons for it may be quite simple - maybe the system waits a while before 'deep freezing' things (relatively speaking), for a faster turnaround in case you accidentally put the system in standby and want to come back in or whatever.

Iron Eddie · Nov 6, 2020

canderous said:
There's no standard here. Everyone is likely counting different points as being fully booted up. Tom Warren's Xbox cold boot is 4 seconds longer than the Dave Lee one, for example (yet everyone is focused on the ps5 one).

Can we please not make this the stopwatch gen? jfc...

I mean, it's a video... so unless you're implying he doctored it to make the PS5 look bad, not sure what the point of this comment is.

That's usually what happens when you are only interested in one of them. We are going to see a gazillion videos on Youtube with stopwatches. All I can say is both systems appear to be very impressive.

DjRalford · Nov 6, 2020

Stat said:
Not to sound like a maroon, but isn't resuming from rest state pretty much instant on the ps4?

If it's downloading in the background or something PS4 is instant, otherwise it takes a little time.

Mister_X · Nov 6, 2020

canderous said:
There's no standard here. Everyone is likely counting different points as being fully booted up. Tom Warren's Xbox cold boot is 4 seconds longer than the Dave Lee one, for example (yet everyone is focused on the ps5 one).

Can we please not make this the stopwatch gen? jfc...

I mean, it's a video... so unless you're implying he doctored it to make the PS5 look bad, not sure what the point of this comment is.

Unfortunately we are already pass the point of no return. Every faceoff will be about Framerates, RT, Resolution and now load screens.

Deleted member 9857 · Nov 6, 2020

arsene_P5 said:
Fair enough and 8 seconds is definitely faster. I think it's clear by now that there are some slight and imo not meaningful differences. Could be networking (auto login) or some other weird stuff we can't predict yet happening. But what's clear with him posting a video is that he isn't lying and for some reason his PS5 is providing slower results than the rest.
Haha, no we can't apparently. I wish we could, but you know... Just wait for cross and next gen comparison. It will be unnecessary chaotic.
Uhm... Good point.

oh I definitely agree that Tom isn't lying, I just wonder what the root cause is

honestly if anything we're just all in a feeding frenzy over this because next-gen is almost here & hopefully this craziness will die down once we're all playing the systems next week instead

Izanagi89 · Nov 6, 2020

Scallywag said:
Look forward to it no more, its already here

Im crying 😭

Calvin · Nov 6, 2020

Great thread, looking forward to the next-gen load time section being updated :)

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

get2sammyb said:
To be clear, I timed from the beep of the console to the user login screen. Let me try again now.

EDIT: I got 8.31 seconds, from beep to user login screen, with Days Gone suspended and a PS4 game downloading in the background.

8 seconds with a game running and game downloading is pretty solid.

arsene_P5 · Nov 6, 2020

graywolf323 said:
oh I definitely agree that Tom isn't lying, I just wonder what the root cause is

honestly if anything we're just all in a feeding frenzy over this because next-gen is almost here & hopefully this craziness will die down once we're all playing the systems next week instead

No lies detected. This generation will be amazing and I think better than the last one, which was already good.

Huge CPU increase -> new gameplay (physics, NPC count, ...) possibilities
No time to order a pizza due to loading speeds. Well actually that's a problem :P
SSD and I/O Improvements for new level designs and lightning fast loading.
Backwards compatibility
All three (yep, I include Nintendo for this bullet points) firing on all cylinders and taking a gamer first approach

This and more has me so excited for this gen. It's gonna be great. Bye PS4, Wii U (well bye again I guess xD) and Xbox One.

Rey · Nov 6, 2020

slimmo.de said:
Sure, Tom.

I'n so sorry for people trying to do there jobs informing people and providing vids and what not and then getting reactions like this.. smh

Ænima · Nov 6, 2020

The Masked Mufti said:
That is amazing. What are the boot times for the base PS4. I feel like my cold boot time is pretty bad but the resume time doesn't take long.

My base PS4 boots to the main menu in about 40 seconds.
PS5 times are great even in the worst case.

bes.gen · Nov 6, 2020

i can see people going insane over this stuff.
doing the tests all over again after each system update etc lol
let it go people next gen is fast, your couple of seconds are not that important,
worry more about the hours you will waste on the collectathon right after the boot

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

bes.gen said:
i can see people going insane over this stuff.
doing the tests all over again after each system update etc lol
let it go people next gen is fast, your couple of seconds are not that important,
worry more about the hours you will waste on the collectathon right after the boot

I agree, but that's why I think instead of focusing on or cherry picking one test over another, we should just amalgamate every one that we get.

PLASTICA-MAN · Nov 6, 2020

Why testers have different results?

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

PLASTICA-MAN said:
Why testers have different results?

We don't really know, but my post from earlier.

nib95 said:
Not entirely sure. Maybe it depends on whether there are any updates, installs, downloads etc going on at the same time, what game is being resumed and so on.

maabus1999 · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
We don't really know, but my post from earlier.

Tom Warren did some follow up testing that more clearly explained what his video showed. TLDR: The longer the system is off, the longer it takes to resume. Honestly he has done the most thorough testing so far.

Might as well add that too your list...

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

maabus1999 said:
Tom Warren did some follow up testing that more clearly explained what his video showed. TLDR: The longer the system is off, the longer it takes to resume. Honestly he has done the most thorough testing so far.

Might as well add that too your list...

As far as I know he hasn't provided new figures or a new video, so I'll wait for more comprehensive testing. It's not clear if any of these other testers already did something similar (eg waited a while before resuming), or if he did the same with the Series X.

SpecDot · Nov 6, 2020

I think it could also be how they're booting up. Meaning if they're on a different input, the signal may take a little longer. Also how quickly they're hitting the PS Button. I know that on PS4, when you go into sleep mode and then you hit the PS button after the light on the console stops pulsing it immediately starts up.

maabus1999 · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
As far as I know he hasn't provided new figures or a new video, so I'll wait for more comprehensive testing. It's not clear if any of these other testers already did something similar (eg waited a while before resuming), or if he did the same with the Series X.

He posted it in the other thread. It is an explanation with numbers that are 100% relevant to help explain discrepancies. I mean the other ones you are posting are just figures themselves without video so not sure why you would leave his update out.....

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

maabus1999 said:
He posted it in the other thread. It is an explanation with numbers that are 100% relevant to help explain discrepancies. I mean the other ones you are posting are just figures themselves without video so not sure why you would leave his update out.....

But they all roughly match up with each other whilst Tom's is the outlier. That's an important distinction.

ShapeGSX · Nov 6, 2020

get2sammyb said:
To be clear, I timed from the beep of the console to the user login screen. Let me try again now.

EDIT: I got 8.31 seconds, from beep to user login screen, with Days Gone suspended and a PS4 game downloading in the background.

nib95 said:
8 seconds with a game running and game downloading is pretty solid.

Actually, I would expect boot times to be longer if the PS5 wasn't actively running in the background. If the PS5 is downloading, it is really already booted.

Better to test it after it has been in standby for a while, and not active in the background, as Tom Warren mentioned earlier.

Sia · Nov 6, 2020

It's so odd how different they are, most are around the same though and I would trust digital foundrys result the most.

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

ShapeGSX said:
Actually, I would expect boot times to be longer if the PS5 wasn't actively running in the background. If it is downloading, it is really already booted.

Whilst in a suspended state, the system is theoretically already booted in a very lower power state. Likewise with if a game is downloading, or a controller is charging etc.

S1lentSymph0ny · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
But they all roughly match up with each other whilst Tom's is the outlier. That's an important distinction.

Funny that you were complaining about the lack of information and transparency in the other thread but now you won't post Tom's update in the OP.

maabus1999 said:
He posted it in the other thread. It is an explanation with numbers that are 100% relevant to help explain discrepancies. I mean the other ones you are posting are just figures themselves without video so not sure why you would leave his update out.....

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

RowdyReverb · Nov 6, 2020

I feel like in any case, the PS5 will boot roughly as fast as my TV and soundbar, which is what really matters to me

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Funny that you were complaining about the lack of information and transparency in the other thread but now you won't post Tom's update in the OP.

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

He didn't post updated numbers, just said it takes longer if the system has been waiting 15m or so. Did he wait 15m with the Series X? He said he tested multiple PS5's and saw similar results. Did they wait 15+m with each one? Has he provided specific new numbers? I haven't seen them. If I've missed the new numbers, feel free to quote them here and I'll add them.

nstine · Nov 6, 2020

graywolf323 said:
the full break down in the other thread from get2sammyb of Push Square contradicts this

nstine said:
I was assuming when get2sammyb said he resumes from rest mode and provided the time to in-game it is resuming straight into the game like the PS5 first look video shows. So this would look something like turn on console -> select user -> boots to the game's menu instead of turn on console -> select user -> dashboard -> in game (not sure if this was just for demonstration purposes or an actual boot option for PS5). The differences here would be that perhaps the OS takes longer to load everything for the dash (4k dash + things that require internet to load and etc) vs the time it takes to load straight into a game. Included a timestamp from the first look video to show what I mean:

First Look at the PlayStation 5 User Experience

Finally - here’s a sneak peek at the PlayStation 5’s user experience! Watch our new video walkthrough to see new features designed to make your gaming experi...

youtu.be

Notice how he goes straight from the user select screen into the game/control center instead of the PS5's dashboard.

That said it looks like Tom has provided another potential reason for the differences in load time.

I posted this in the other thread regarding that. Still seems like they are not using the same test. Maybe get2sammyb can provide a few more details about his process to clear this up?

Loud Wrong · Nov 6, 2020

The Masked Mufti said:
That is amazing. What are the boot times for the base PS4. I feel like my cold boot time is pretty bad but the resume time doesn't take long.

My PS4 cold boots in 19-21 seconds with auto login enabled.

ShapeGSX · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
Whilst in a suspended state, the system is theoretically already booted in a very lower power state. Likewise with if a game is downloading, or a controller is charging etc.

There could be different CPU states for suspend vs downloading. Better to test the one that will be in play most often when you hit the power button (not downloading).

-Le Monde- · Nov 6, 2020

SoulsHunt said:

Wow! That's really good looking.

Belvedere · Nov 6, 2020

Most of the YouTube impressions show 7 second wake from sleep times. Looks like more and more videos trickling in.

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

ShapeGSX said:
There could be different CPU states for suspend vs downloading. Better to test the one that will be in play most often when you hit the power button (not downloading).

get2sammyb was your first test with a game downloading in the background as well? Times are slightly different, so possibly slightly different variables. Not that I personally think it'd make much difference lol.

Belvedere said:
Most of the YouTube impressions show 7 second wake from sleep times. Looks like more and more videos trickling in.

If you link them I'll add them.

Shpeshal Nick · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
But they all roughly match up with each other whilst Tom's is the outlier. That's an important distinction.

He gives video evidence. The only one to do so mind you.

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

Added some Miles Morales load times.

S1lentSymph0ny · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
He didn't post updated numbers, just said it takes longer if the system has been waiting 15m or so. Did he wait 15m with the Series X? He said he tested multiple PS5's and saw similar results. Did they wait 15+m with each one? Has he provided specific new numbers? I haven't seen them. If I've missed the new numbers, feel free to quote them here and I'll add them.

So you're only in it for the numbers, not the context under which the numbers were achieved. Thanks for clarifying!

Spinluck · Nov 6, 2020

My brain can't process those MM numbers.

Seems unrivaled in the market.

E.T. · Nov 6, 2020

Amazing speeds, PS5 is going to be bonkers. Cerny knocked it out of the park.

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

S1lentSymph0ny said:
So you're only in it for the numbers, not the context under which the numbers were achieved. Thanks for clarifying!

He's only offered vague context. Once he re-does the test with differences and/or offers numbers, I'll definitely post them. Right now there's nothing concrete or specific.

And we don't know the context for any of the other tests either, we just know they match up with each other. I have to assume that Digital Foundry of all outlets, carried out the tests thoroughly and/or properly.

S1lentSymph0ny · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
He's only offered vague context. Once he re-does the test with differences and/or offers numbers, I'll definitely post them. Right now there's nothing concrete or specific.

And we don't know the context for any of the other tests either, we just know they match up with each other. I have to assume that Digital Foundry of all outlets, carried out the tests thoroughly and/or properly.

Even DF mentioned that Rest Mode takes time to fully go dormant. Most people are going to resume their console after at least 15min. Sleeping then immediately turning the device on isn't a real world use case but its the one you are grasping to by not including all available information.

nib95 · Nov 6, 2020

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Even DF mentioned that Rest Mode takes time to fully go dormant. Most people are going to resume their console after at least 15min. Sleeping then immediately turning the device on isn't a real world use case but its the one you are grasping to by not including all available information.

How do you know DF's time wasn't after waiting 15m, or that any of the other tests weren't for that matter? Till we have an actual test that compares the two, we simply don't know.

The difference between results could be down to any number of things, eg time suspended, the game that was suspended, what the system was or was not doing in the background, and so on.

elzeus · Nov 6, 2020

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Makes you wonder doesn't it.

With certain posters not really 🤐.

They should test with the drives 95%+ full.

S1lentSymph0ny · Nov 6, 2020

nib95 said:
How do you know DF's time wasn't after waiting 15m, or that any other of the tests for that matter? Till we have an actual test that compares the two, we simply don't know.

The difference between results could be down to any number of things, eg time suspended, the game that was suspended, what the system was or was not doing in the background, and so on.

Exactly!! Include all pertinent information so we can draw a better conclusion. You shouldn't just be waiting for numbers at this point and it seems you agree now so I'm not sure what the issue is!

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