Most PS4 owners have an average of 9.6 games installed.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lot
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Hopefully Cold War supports only installing the parts of the game you actually want to play like Cernie said in the Wired article.
Most PS4 owners have an average of 9.6 games installed.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lot
People buying 11-12 games on average over a generation (which is where the attach rate is now, it's increased over the nearly two years since that article was written) doesn't mean they have them all on the hard drive all at once.
I really hope it's already been mentioned (I'm not reading 38 pages to find out. Sorry.)....but why is there a mouse cursor? If it's a dev kit fine, but wouldn't that mean the storage available might not be quite the same?
Again...let me know if that's already been figured out and put to rest. Makes the whole thing seem suspect to me.
Again...let me know if that's already been figured out and put to rest. Makes the whole thing seem suspect to me.
XSX retains 80.20% of its storage.
PS5 retains 80.48% of its storage.
*gasp!* they're the same!
PS5 retains 80.48% of its storage.
*gasp!* they're the same!
Always gonna be agenda pushers I suppose.
People being disappointed aren't taking into account these are SSD's. Yes it would be great if it could have been a minimum of 1TB but the gains from an SSD over HDD soften the blow for me.
I'll pick up external storage later down the line anyway when the prices are better.
I'll pick up external storage later down the line anyway when the prices are better.
This from Cerny's presentation is about as much as we have about expandibilty via external HDD. Kinda implies you can store a PS5 game on external, but not hard confirmed yet.
I mean, what else is an external HDD supposed to do nowadays? Being used for savegames only?!
That said, this is just another example how absolutely fucked up Sony's communication is with regards to very basic features like this right now. I mean seriously, given Sony still refuses to give journalists a test drive with the new system it makes me think PS5's OS is still nothing short but "work in progress".
"still refuses" Could simply be "hasn't got to that point in their marketing rollout plan" and we don't hear anythign because NDAs.
MS only shared a week ago, and went to pains to point out the hardware was preview, the OS was preview (don't dwell on it!) and the software was a limited range of BC games they were happy to share.
Yes MS shared earlier but not much earlier (yet) and they're still very much controlling the message
That 0.028% difference is huge! It's the literal difference between another profile and not having that additional avatar that is very very important for framerates. It's like RGB, not having it makes the system run slower.
Both consoles (Xbox/PS) support the external HDD for the Ps4/Xbox one games. The new games (Ps5/XSX) are designed to the new SSD-s. BTW there were some articles about it.
It has been pointed out many times that this wont be a thing on the PS5. Cerny addressed this in the deepdive.
I have 40+ something games installed on my Switch. Most of them are indie games though 😁. But yeah 500+ GB is enough for most people if not all.
I have 40 installed in my PSVR folder alone. I like having my options.
I get that some people just want to have everything at hand, but do you really play all those games regularly? At some point you will run out of space; would you rather spend money on expanded storage than simply deleting those you don't plan to play on a regular basis?
I've been managing my game installs on both PS4 (stock 500 GB drive) and on small SSDs (PC, max. 232 GB after formatting + OS and software) over the years, it's really no big deal at all. Unless you're jumping from game to game several times a day/week, there's no point in spending more other than to have them at the ready just in case.
Just my two cents.
I just switch way too often between games, try out other stuff, etc. doesn't matter if it's PC or console, I ended up buying extended storage for PS4 and One X (the latter one actually arrived with 25 games or so as a review unit, digital games), so yeah and I still review games from time to time so I end up getting more games than those I buys. I'll just hope that you can move games from an external drive to the internal PS5 SSD. It was cheap and easy to upgrade my now old gaming PC with SSDs (still using SATA), but it's a different story for PS5/Series X. Even if an option would be available (such as the card for Series X) I'm not sure I would go for it currently, due to the prices, as long as I can move games between drives. If I had very fast internet I probably wouldn't care at all or not much, but with a connection that is currently mostly limited around 5 MB/s or less it's annoying to download huge games again and again.
Uhm so PS5 SSD being 1.003491271820 times better than XSX confirmed. 🤔🤔🤔
I think you've misunderstood what the person was talking about. A digital user benefits from having more space more than a physical user. Not because the digital games take up more space, but because the logistical challenges for redownloading a game are different from installing from a disc. Due to data caps and slower internet speeds, there is more incentive to keep a game on the drive for a digital user compared to a physical one.
Most PS4 owners have an average of 9.6 games installed.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lot
'Owns 9 games =/= 9.6 games installed'
That data is just the attach rate from digital and new physical sales. It doesn't really give us a true picture of what people play, or how many games people are playing. It's likely that
a) Players don't have every game that they own installed at the same time
b) Players buy additional games used, thereby not being counted in that attach rate
Percentage has to be the worst measure of HDD space. I could say I have 100% space free, but if that space was 1 GB then it's functionally nothing. That's obviously an extreme example but it looks like you've chosen this measure because it reflects them to be 'the same' rather than because it offers any real value.
The PS5 HDD has 664 GB of usable space.
The XBOX Series X has 802 GB of usable space.
Obviously the trade off is in storage speed, which I think is well worthwhile, but when we're talking SSD capacity the only real measure that matters here is the space available in GB. How much storage the OS occupies is only meaningful relative to the total capacity, so in the end, the space available is the only useful measure.
The XSX will store more games out of the box. Perhaps one additional retail title, or many smaller games.
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Most PS4 owners have an average of 9.6 games installed.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lot
This article is referencing Colin Moriarty...
Yeah, it's disappointing but it's still the best place to save money. Would you rather less cheaper ram or cheaper cooling\slower apu?
That empty drive will be trivial to fill with something decent in a year or 2. Bit of game juggling worth it in the long run imo
I would rather they just charge straight up - have something closer to 1.5TB-2TB for $499/$549 DE and $599/$649 Physical. At least offer the option for a higher internal.
It being close to cutoff dates for manufacturing/QA and installation of OS onto the console that is shipping out that this would be close to the final UI and OS size. It is an extremely similar size to the Series X OS size so I am inclined to believe it. While 664 is likely not a final number, I would expect the final to land ~20GB either side of it if this is true.
No we don't have confirmation that Astro is installed or not but again you would never get confirmation about a rumour like this - you have to take it with a grain of salt. While it is possible that this is just a demo version of Astro and that potentially explains the file size, I would not expect the full game to be much more. Astro is going to be a small experience.
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So 2 points that I'm still wondering about:
-I don't think that this PS5 has the final version of the OS/UI. it's probably some early dev software. The final version might be smaller or larger, we don't know. But that 664GB is definitely not 100% correct.
-Do we even know if Astro is installed on that Ps5? I honestly doubt it. These pictures might be months old, when the game still needed a lot of development. Best case scenario this ps5 has the Astro demo, that Geoff Keighley and the Japanse Youtubers played. Also there is just no way that a next gen game is just 2,4GB. That 2,4GB is probably just some dev program.
-I don't think that this PS5 has the final version of the OS/UI. it's probably some early dev software. The final version might be smaller or larger, we don't know. But that 664GB is definitely not 100% correct.
-Do we even know if Astro is installed on that Ps5? I honestly doubt it. These pictures might be months old, when the game still needed a lot of development. Best case scenario this ps5 has the Astro demo, that Geoff Keighley and the Japanse Youtubers played. Also there is just no way that a next gen game is just 2,4GB. That 2,4GB is probably just some dev program.
How is that different from you buy a drive and putting it in .l? Functionally identical but lower barrier of entry.
Because then the internal is 1.5TB and then can be expanded on again? While I fully expect game sizes to be somewhat lower for PS4 games coming into PS5 and cross gen games, I believe a few years into the generation we will have game sizes be bigger than ever with ultra detailed texture packs likely leading the charge in increase to file size. Having a larger sized internal now will help with that
Actual Astrobot Rescue Mission is only 7GB. It's a tiny game (install wise). Remember that Astro's Playroom probably isn't a full game size thing. It's not Astrobot 2. It's presumably much smaller than Rescue Mission.
I guess I just see it different. Having an internal empty bay is good middle ground and seems like a good compromise. More is obviously better but to me at least I find the trade off seems pretty sensible.
Having both machines being a 100ish bucks more expensive would be getting way more blow back
Yeah, I expect that in a year or so. With cost halfing or storage doubling every year or so after that depending on what way you want to look at it.
People could argue that Sony could have also released another sku with more memory but then we'd have 3 skus and I don't think they want to manage so many skus at launch. I agree with others that I would have paid $100 more for a model with double the ssd space, but I understand why they didn't do it.
Most PS4 owners have an average of 9.6 games installed.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lot
That article says 9.6 games bought.
Same, I 100% would have paid 100 more for more memory. Or could have stretched to even more for more premium features but that's not how it works.
I would've paid another 100 for double the SSD space (on both systems) but you've got to imagine they'd be losing a ton of money if they did that based on SSD costs we're seeing. I imagine they'd need to be around 200 more to not be massive loss leaders (more than they already are).
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Also we're in a global pandemic. I think they did the right thing by balancing power/speed with price to be accessible to more people. A lot of folks outside of the US are already paying a lot. Imagine people having to pay up to $1K or more for a console just to get that extra 200GB. People would lose their minds even more lol
Yeah. They did the right thing making the boxes more affordable but with options to expand the storage if you want.
I'm gonna do it on both consoles. It's not going to be cheap. But you don't have to. Would rather them get these consoles out at a price that most people can stomach day one.
Disappointing? I think a lot of people are just being unreasonable. Here's a small test.
You can pick only one.
- <1TB SSD: Store 10-12 games, No loading times, $400 - $500 console, spend $60 for external 2TB HDD to use as cold storage for games you haven't played in a while
- <2TB SSD: Store 20-24 games, No loading times, $600 - $700 console.
- 4TB+ HDD: ~20 games, 3x the loading times of the current-gen (so games will take as much as 4mins to load), limit game design opportunities, even larger game sizes (most games now average 200GB) as moe data duplication would be necessary, the console still costs $400 - $500
Wonder if people would be mad at a $50-100 higher MSRP on these things if they included a 1-2tb HDD in addition to the SSD
I'd love it
I'd love it
Could it be that they are waiting for the games to be ready to go to take advantage of their activities U.I. feature they were hyping up last October? I assume once games are ready to be tested on the actual hardware, then Sony will ship it out to places to go hands on otherwise you would be missing a pretty big part of the experience i would think.
I was semi-worried that we'd be in the 600GB range, but I can't say this is unexpected. I think stuff like this seems scarier when you assume that every game install is 100+GB (it's not).
I have Spider-Man and Demon's Souls pre-ordered and those two will take up about 170 GB for three games (including Spidey remastered). I'll also Have Fortnite, Persona 5 Royal, Fall Guys, and Ghost of Tsushima installed and be at about 250GB.
That's 7 games available to play with less than half my space taken up. That's more than enough for me at launch.
I have Spider-Man and Demon's Souls pre-ordered and those two will take up about 170 GB for three games (including Spidey remastered). I'll also Have Fortnite, Persona 5 Royal, Fall Guys, and Ghost of Tsushima installed and be at about 250GB.
That's 7 games available to play with less than half my space taken up. That's more than enough for me at launch.
That just sounds confusing for consumers, especially when the console is designed around using an SSD. Anyone who is tech minded enough to know about/care about HDD cold storage can just spend that $50-100 on buying an external HDD and using that.