One of the best posts I've seen on the topic. Folks kill me with that kind of logic.
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Jeez. A lot of angst here.
Kraken is a leading compression method and thanks to the hardware decompressor, when fully native games and techniques start to arrive, we should be seeing excellent gains in space reduction.
The current size of games is due to having to stream the same assets over and over again, but in a linear fashion to reduce seek times.
Once engines have fully crossed over to just target next-gen then we'll start to reap the benefits. It's one reason I'm surprised at the size of Demon Souls / Mile Morales - I'm thinking the engines are not quite transitioned enough to next-gen thinking
The same is true for the Series S and X by the way in terms of engines and benefits regarding size reduction
Kraken is a leading compression method and thanks to the hardware decompressor, when fully native games and techniques start to arrive, we should be seeing excellent gains in space reduction.
The current size of games is due to having to stream the same assets over and over again, but in a linear fashion to reduce seek times.
Once engines have fully crossed over to just target next-gen then we'll start to reap the benefits. It's one reason I'm surprised at the size of Demon Souls / Mile Morales - I'm thinking the engines are not quite transitioned enough to next-gen thinking
The same is true for the Series S and X by the way in terms of engines and benefits regarding size reduction
Me, I'm currently playing and switching between Streets of Rage 4, Doom 2016, TitanFall 2, Resident Evil 3 Remake, Ironsight, Rogue Company and some more games as well(like 4 or more so games). I'm also a Youtuber and they sometimes just work on multiple games at a time, and I imagine streamers doing that too.
ask yourself if anyone here really needs to spend $250 so they can have ~15-20 PS5 games installed on day 1
they don't actually need to do much messaging on SSD expansion until this thing is actually out. if anyone here is actually planning on buying a 1TB expansion drive day 1, I'm going to assume they're already locked in to their purchase 100% and nothing Sony says or does until launch will sway them
lol take it easy, I am not necessarily disagreeing with you! I just think we assume a lot and often ascribe importance to things that many--most buyers?--probably don't care as much about.
I was kind of under the impression that the 768GB was after OS size so I guess I just assumed it would be ~ the same.
So Xbox is more powerful, way more compact has a bigger hard drive and costs the same?
Relatively speaking, Sony kind of dropped the ball in the hardware department this time around.
So Xbox is more powerful, way more compact has a bigger hard drive and costs the same?
Relatively speaking, Sony kind of dropped the ball in the hardware department this time around.
that's now how hard drives & useable space work and these are SSDs. and the PS5 SSD is twice as fast.
I think it was mentioned by some users here (or maybe on Twitter) at some point.... 768GB feels like a random and wierd storage number so I guess I just thought it was correct.
Yes, they should offer a second option with more storage. I bet they will, in the future.
I didn't say that. My thought was : "we already knew this, right.. right?" Just that...
I wish. 🥺
this does a decent job explaining why Sony's custom SSD is the way it is. it's 825gb and not just a standard 1tb drive for a reason.
Understanding the PS5's SSD: A deep dive into next-gen storage tech
The PlayStation 5's new SSD is revolutionary, delivering massive efficiency through speed and enabling true next-gen performance on the console.
www.tweaktown.com
here's Eurogamer's article on it too:
PS5 SSD expansion upgrades explained: Compatible SSDs and other external storage options explored
How the PS5's external SSD storage upgrade works, including compatible SSDs and other external storage options, explain…
www.eurogamer.net
I mean if you actively look away every time someone posts a picture of the PS5 then sure, your argument could technically be true but what the hell? Is this a meme?
Sony didn't drop the ball based on what they set out to do. They did it. And they are cheaper than the XSX.
That's the trouble with taking info from random posters, especially at the lead up of a console launch when there's a penchant for bullshit and console warring.
I'm not sure that's true. I've seen plenty of posts on Twitter from people saying that they're gonna buy a SSD to put into the PS5. Now, you may be right that nothing Sony says would necessarily change that, but that's a poor reason to say nothing. WE on this forum only know that because Cerny was clear about that in March. We've heard little to nothing since. It's not surprising that people would be unclear on this.
You are absolutely correct that we shouldn't be buying an expansion if we don't have a confirmed list. But if Sony's BC really does provide enhancements through boost mode, then yes... it's not inconceivable to think that people could have a legitimate reason to fill their SSD on day 1, just from PS4 titles. (Granted.. we don't know how BC works either).
Buyers are a nebulous categorization. I agree that we shouldn't try to cage them under any one category. But, that's why I'm not talking about buyers. I'm talking about those of us who care about the consoles. The people who also happen to be the early adopters who preorder these things - and who will then evangelize or complain to friends in the 2nd, 3rd, etc waves.
This could well be a good strategy for Sony to maintain customers by hiding bad news. Who knows. But, there's absolutely no reason for me to give them a pass on that. Xbox needs to show Series X footage ASAP. Sony needs to tell us anything about the box and its features.
for sure. just raising an eyebrow at the "i'm canceling my preorder!" crowd every time there's like...any news
I'm in that first category--but only because the box plays games I can't get elsewhere. Truth be told, it would take quite a lot for me to not buy it knowing what games are coming to that. Am I in the minority? Maybe? Who knows. But that's what makes it, as you say, nebulous.
Re: strategy--why are you assuming it's bad news? Or that they are hiding it? They didn't hide the storage space--everyone who knows how drives work knows 825 wasn't 825 and 1 TB wasn't 1TB. Once you get beyond formatting, surely some space was always going to be devoted to the OS, no?
I also don't know why a UI would be bad news. BC could be, depending on what that is. Cross saves could be as well. But that's not this topic.
But like you said--one company has shown hardware and no games, the other company has shown games and no hardware. I would argue one is under a bit more fire on this website than the other, but at the end of the day, November 10th and 12th will be coming before we know it.
I don't have to play them all at one time. They will exist in memory even if I shut the console off for a month and then come back. The ability to immediately re-enter a game I may have played months ago is an amazing feature for games that I only play when I'm in the mood for them.
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Can't say I'm a fan of downgrading storage size compared to the prior generation, especially when data sizes of games are inevitably going to increase.
I suppose this gives me just another reason to upgrade to a slim version in the future, which I would expect to have more storage.
I suppose this gives me just another reason to upgrade to a slim version in the future, which I would expect to have more storage.
On my PS4 I usually jump between FFXIV, MH:W, Paladins, Warframe, Overwatch, Project Diva, At least one RPG, some Indies. I guess I'm lucky I don't like more traditional FPS or sport games, and that is only PS4 then on Switch Splatoon 2, Smash, more indies, HW and now MHGU (those two soon to be replaced for HW:AoC and MH: Rise).
This is one of like 2 reasonable posts I've seen in the past few weeks lol.
Thank you, makes sense. Would be nice to have an update then *shrug*
But.. .... we literally have no official pictures of the whole thing? It's not out in the wild.. Sure we have grainy, off-center photos from the FCC that we've tried to discern logos from. But, all we have are renders. And none of the renders have even shown the back of the thing. Edit: actually we did have the picture of the three guys holding the first PS5 off the line, right? And people were saying there was no way it was that big and that it was photoshopped.. Anyway. Even then, not really official, haven't seen the back.
You're totally justified in not caring, if you don't care. But that is the still the reality of the situation.
Well hopefully the faster hard drive is worth it because I'm starting to get the sense that they kind of anchored themselves to that.
It kind of reminds me of the OG Xbox design where they basically anchored themselves to 8GB of ram in order to focus on their TV integration.
by that logic MS will be anchored to a slower SSD. they're using an expensive proprietary solution for SSD expansion whereas Sony is allowing off-the-shelf SSD expansion drives which will get lower in price over the next year. so the 2x faster SSD is probably a better thing to be "anchored" to.
I don't think that's remotely comparable. One was requested by game devs, the other was Microsoft chasing the "one" living room concept.
Everyone angry at a fake OS pic (or an old devkit) with a mouse cursor taken with a potato phone lmao.
Y'all need to go outside for a bit.
It's Saturday.
Y'all need to go outside for a bit.
It's Saturday.
Yeah I was also expecting 1TB before the SSD was announced. Maybe it's the lay-out of the SSD or the costs.
Why are people talking about quick resume in terms of it being some new thing when PS4 has done it since early in the gen? Of course it's going to have it, especially considering how much Sony has talked about instant-gaming and fast loading etc.
Game content typically does not correlate to file size.
You can have a bloated game that takes up 70GB that is comprised of narrow corridors and little exploration, and a small game that is 10GB that has a massive open world.
File size generally indicative of things like uncompressed audio, large textures and shader data but is never a good indicator how much content a game has.
IIRC it's a series of 64 GB drives. I believe Cerny discussed it at length, but he discussed a lot of stuff at length lol.
I will want to have Dark Souls 1-3, Demon's Souls, Soul Calibur VI and Street Fighter V in there at all times, plus any new games. Seems like there will be a fair bit of juggling stuff onto an external drive, or I will need to keep the PS4 connected for those games.
Yeah i posted some articles on the last page that explains why its essentially a combination of drives totaling 825gb
You can still play all the PS4 games off an external HDD. You only need them on the SSD if you want SSD loading speeds.
What about the pictures of the Japanese Youtuber in front of a real, plugged in PS5?
Or are you suggesting it's a cake with cables sticking out? Or that it doesn't count because of some other weird reason?
Sony has also shown off the back of the console during their September event.
What is your concern? Are you afraid that it's all just a big hoax and Sony isn't actually going to release a console that looks exactly likenevery single render they've shown so far? Is there any reason to doubt them after there has never been any disconnect between what they've shown off before release and what they've actually released?
Seriously, I get when people want to see the UI or want to know how BC works but this thing about people questioning Sony because they haven't seen the console outside of renders (which is not the case by now anyways) is some level of concern trolling I just can't take seriously anymore.
I no tech guy, by any means, but I somewhere read it could be 825 or 1,65TB. I could be wrong tho.
