PS5 Backwards Compatibility: All PS4 games with benefits

Temperance · Nov 18, 2020

Super short Wipeout collection vid, no save file so can only show off the first track. Hope it renders the 4K at some point.

+ Jeezus that compression is sickening. Wish i could do something about it.
++ 10 hours later...things look visible.

asmith906 · Nov 18, 2020

Teenage Fansub said:
No glitches? I was getting glitches on Manhunt and just assumed all of the PS2 Classics would be a bit broke.

I played a good bit of wild arms 3 and didnt noticed any glitches

NewDust · Nov 18, 2020

Teenage Fansub said:
No glitches? I was getting glitches on Manhunt and just assumed all of the PS2 Classics would be a bit broke.

asmith906 said:
I played a good bit of wild arms 3 and didnt noticed any glitches

Manhunt is listed as 'bootable' where Wild Arms 3 is categorized as 'compatible', so that tracks.

All PS2 games listed as Bootable, meaning issues can occur:

Source: https://andshrew.github.io/supreme-enigma/
Member: Andshrew

KalBalboa Any games on the list you can check to see what possible problems might be?

KalBalboa · Nov 18, 2020

NewDust said:
Manhunt is listed as 'bootable' where Wild Arms 3 is categorized as 'compatible', so that tracks.

All PS2 games listed as Bootable, meaning issues can occur:

Source: https://andshrew.github.io/supreme-enigma/
Member: Andshrew

KalBalboa Any games on the list you can check to see what possible problems might be?

I'll fire up Ape Escape 2 and record 5 mins.

NewDust · Nov 18, 2020

KalBalboa said:
I'll fire up Ape Escape 2 and record 5 mins.

Well, that's the only one I know :) ... flickering button prompts in the top right corner.

LaneDS said:
Here's those Ape Escape 2 glitches I was describing:

TotalMackerel · Nov 18, 2020

No Depth said:
Is Samurai Shodown (2019) not available to play on PS5? It's not listed at all under the storefront.

Am I crazy or blind?

I noticed it disappeared from the store as well. Maybe ps5 version coming soon? Didn't they announce a series x version?

Veelk · Nov 18, 2020

Veelk said:
Last of Us 2 Load time from PS5 Internal SSD - 39.32 seconds

Last of Us 2 Load time from PS5 External HDD - 42.69 seconds

Last of Us 2 Load time from PS5 Internal HDD - 56.99 seconds

Last of Us 2 Load time from PS4 External HDD - 49.41 seconds

Hey everyone. So I just got a new SSD external hard drive, this one specifically, and I ran a loading test on Last of Us 2. I retested the internal load time just to be sure it was accurate, and it was, then I tested it with external storage and...

Loading time off INTERNAL SSD - 39.26 seconds

Loading time off EXTERNAL SSD - 36.23 seconds

KalBalboa · Nov 18, 2020

NewDust said:
Well, that's the only one I know :) ... flickering button prompts in the top right corner.

Woof, it's bad. Just like that clip you posted.

AnythingElse · Nov 18, 2020

Channel 5 News said:
I was going to ask about Vice City but uh...oof.

I suppose I should've expected this, especially since Psychonauts also still had a bad frame rate, but I had the foolish hope that the old GTAs and Bully would run much better than they did on PS4... Too bad.

I guess I get to continue regretting that I bought them, lol.

radiogra · Nov 18, 2020

loaded up a ringed city DS3 save and god it runs great. as solid a 60 as DS remastered. souls series playthrough will be sick.

makes bloodborne being locked hurt even more though lol.

Hey Please · Nov 18, 2020

Veelk said:
Hey everyone. So I just got a new SSD external hard drive, this one specifically, and I ran a loading test on Last of Us 2. I retested the internal load time just to be sure it was accurate, and it was, then I tested it with external storage and...

Loading time off INTERNAL SSD - 39.26 seconds

Loading time off EXTERNAL SSD - 36.23 seconds

0_o That is most interesting. Very likely some software based anomaly given USB SSD's throughput is a lot lower than embedded one. That said, yours is the most ideal way to play BC titles- external SSD.

KalBalboa Beautiful captures. What are you using for the procedure?

JohnnyMoses Same question as above. Also, may I have your permission to make clips out of the video?

KalBalboa · Nov 18, 2020

Hey Please said:
0_o That is most interesting. Very likely some software based anomaly given USB SSD's throughput is a lot lower than embedded one. That said, yours is the most ideal way to play BC titles- external SSD.

KalBalboa Beautiful captures. What are you using for the procedure?

JohnnyMoses Same question as above. Also, may I have your permission to make clips out of the video?

I just use the built-in PS5 recording ability, then dump it all to USB and upload to Lensdump/YouTube. Am I crazy or is the PS5 recording fidelity much better than PS4/Pro?

Hey Please · Nov 18, 2020

KalBalboa said:
I just use the built-in PS5 recording ability, then dump it all to USB and upload to Lensdump/YouTube. Am I crazy or is the PS5 recording fidelity much better than PS4/Pro?

Thank you and You are not crazy.

KalBalboa · Nov 18, 2020

Hey Please said:
Thank you and You are not crazy.

Some of my PS2 on PS5 YouTube uploads JUST became 4K 60. Nice!

Hey Please · Nov 18, 2020

KalBalboa said:
Some of my PS2 on PS5 YouTube uploads JUST became 4K 60. Nice!

Btw, can the PS5 record clips directly on to the external USB HDD/SSD?

NewDust · Nov 18, 2020

Hey Please said:
Thank you and You are not crazy.

I am actually a bit worried what a rolling vp9 4k60 capture might do to the SSD over time, lol.

KalBalboa · Nov 18, 2020

Hey Please said:
Btw, can the PS5 record clips directly on to the external USB HDD/SSD?

I copied all of mine from the internal drive to a thumb drive, so I'm not positive.

Hey Please · Nov 18, 2020

NewDust said:
I am actually a bit worried what a rolling vp9 4k60 capture might do to the SSD over time, lol.

Eh, beyond some heat, it's just caching, writing, clearing cache, filling cache, writing... rinse repeat. I do not see much reason to be concerned. That said, given the bit rate, even an external 5400 RPM 2.5 SATA III USB drive should suffice (should the PS5 allow for it).

NewDust said:
I am actually a bit worried what a rolling vp9 4k60 capture might do to the SSD over time, lol.

Ah, thank you.

Winstano · Nov 18, 2020

Another batch of testing, primarily based on what people asked for in comments (and that I had access to)... Avengers (30/60), Killzone (60), Medievil (60), Broforce (60, insane load speed, fixes the hitching at the start of levels), Mafia Trilogy (30), Hellblade (60, graphical glitches here and there), AC Odyssey (30), Nioh 1&2 (60)

JohnnyMoses · Nov 18, 2020

Hey Please said:
0_o That is most interesting. Very likely some software based anomaly given USB SSD's throughput is a lot lower than embedded one. That said, yours is the most ideal way to play BC titles- external SSD.

KalBalboa Beautiful captures. What are you using for the procedure
JohnnyMoses Same question as above. Also, may I have your permission to make clips out of the video?

Hey Please said:
0_o That is most interesting. Very likely some software based anomaly given USB SSD's throughput is a lot lower than embedded one. That said, yours is the most ideal way to play BC titles- external SSD.

KalBalboa Beautiful captures. What are you using for the procedure?

JohnnyMoses Same question as above. Also, may I have your permission to make clips out of the video?

For that I just used the PS5 and share factory. Feel free to use clips!

Hey Please · Nov 18, 2020

JohnnyMoses said:
For that I just used the PS5 and share factory. Feel free to use clips!

Thank you kindly.

chrisPjelly · Nov 18, 2020

Sleeping Dogs ran horribly on the PS4, and seeing it run at a steady 30 fps is pretty amazing lol

No Depth · Nov 18, 2020

TotalMackerel said:
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I noticed it disappeared from the store as well. Maybe ps5 version coming soon? Didn't they announce a series x version?

Looked it up and it seems Xbox has exclusive next-gen rights for now. Though not sure why PS4 is also missing...

Kyle Cross · Nov 18, 2020

Liabe Brave said:
I'd like to hear about any issues. What was the problem?

Issue 1: When queueing into a game during the "Applying Update" phase it'd either hang indefinitely or result in an in-game error screen. In both cases I'd be kicked from the match.

Issue 2: After winning first point the game didn't throw me into the character selection screen for the next round. It was instead displaying the level with all the characters removed. I was thankfully given the selection screen after the pre-round timer was over.

So far the first issue has only occurred on the first evening the PS5 was out, and the second only happened once. I'll post if the issues happen again, or anything else.

Hovahtsug · Nov 18, 2020

Winstano said:
Another batch of testing, primarily based on what people asked for in comments (and that I had access to)... Avengers (30/60), Killzone (60), Medievil (60), Broforce (60, insane load speed, fixes the hitching at the start of levels), Mafia Trilogy (30), Hellblade (60, graphical glitches here and there), AC Odyssey (30), Nioh 1&2 (60)

Mafia III is marked as unplayable (severe graphical glitches) in OP, but seeing this video it look like it's playable, maybe some specific areas are worse?

Fire Bocchi · Nov 18, 2020

playing jak 1 on ps5, its seem to be running at a locked framerate

stan_marsh · Nov 18, 2020

UFC 3 runs like a dream.

Incredible how external HDD loads faster on PS5.
PS4 2 minutes 9 seconds, PS5 1 minute 19 seconds
to get into a match

Fire Bocchi · Nov 18, 2020

jak 2 on ps5 runs really smooth, cant see any apparent framerate drops

Liabe Brave · Nov 18, 2020

Sorry everyone, but its's going to be another 24 hours at least before I can post a content update. Work is very busy. Keep the impressions, videos, and screens coming though, I'll get to all of them at some point!

KalBalboa said:
(All of these are running on an external USB 3.0 5400 RPM drive)

Thank you so much, this is great stuff!

NewDust said:
I am actually a bit worried what a rolling vp9 4k60 capture might do to the SSD over time, lol.

4K is only for manual recording, though. The background "last few minutes in memory" is just 1080p.

stan_marsh · Nov 18, 2020

Liabe Brave thanks for all the hard work! such a useful thread.

Rumi · Nov 18, 2020

Liabe Brave said:
Is there any way you could post 60fps footage to Youtube? The game on PS4 had complex details (30fps most fights, unstable 60fps traversal, 60fps school stuff), so I'd like to really dig in on PS5 before adding.

I made one of running around school for now.
PS5 4k60 WEBM manual

PS5 1080p60 MP4

I made both because I noticed that manual 4k60 appears to dim the video slightly over the 1080p60 mp4 ver and I'm not sure why.

JohnnyMoses · Nov 18, 2020

If anyone has specific games they're looking to see videos on, please let me know. If I own the game, I'll make one.

Skbzi · Nov 18, 2020

Anyone have any info on Lost Sphear or Oninaki? Would like to know if they run at 60fps on the PS5. Thanks.

Deleted member 25870 · Nov 18, 2020

JohnnyMoses said:
If anyone has specific games they're looking to see videos on, please let me know. If I own the game, I'll make one.

Saints Row 3 remastered unlocked would be awesome. I can't find any footage on YouTube. Code Vein as well. Later areas are pretty choppy after the more recent patches. Thanks in advance.

AgentOtaku · Nov 18, 2020

Anyone else here notice with PS4 titles, you can somewhat audibly hear the fan? Like, in the sense it's rotating at a MUCH slower RPM, so it's almost a "ticking" noise.
I mean, considering what we had to deal with, with the PS4Pro, it's a non-issue. I just thought it was interesting.

asmith906 · Nov 18, 2020

Can I hook up an SSD to transsfer captured video from?

Copying 4k videos to a USB stick is PAINFUL.

ZeroX · Nov 18, 2020

ExitPlanetDust said:
Saints Row 3 remastered unlocked would be awesome.

oh man I forgot that game had an unlock framerate option, it was hitting 40s and 50s on PS4, I'd love to see it locked to 60fps on PS5

KalBalboa · Nov 19, 2020

asmith906 said:
Can I hook up an SSD to transsfer captured video from?

Copying 4k videos to a USB stick is PAINFUL.

What's your USB stick?

giallo · Nov 19, 2020

Has anyone tried Mortal Shell? I bought it for the PS4, but I didn't bother playing more than an hour because I figured it'd get a patch for the PS5. I'm not sure if that's the case yet.

th1nk · Nov 19, 2020

Temperance said:
Super short Wipeout collection vid, no save file so can only show off the first track. Hope it renders the 4K at some point.

+ Jeezus that compression is sickening. Wish i could do something about it.

Thank you! 🤗 I had hoped for shorter loading times, but great that it works!

Rickyrozay2o9 · Nov 19, 2020

So is there any specific reason COD Warzone isn't 120fps on the ps5 yet?

1er tigre · Nov 19, 2020

Has anybody tested Control ? To see if the bad framerate and the weird freeze at the exit of the menu are gone.

Modest_Modsoul · Nov 19, 2020

The Order 1886 is playable more/less the same.

OmegaDL50 · Nov 19, 2020

Hey Please said:
Eh, beyond some heat, it's just caching, writing, clearing cache, filling cache, writing... rinse repeat. I do not see much reason to be concerned. That said, given the bit rate, even an external 5400 RPM 2.5 SATA III USB drive should suffice (should the PS5 allow for it).

It's the continuous writes to an SSD in this matter being the issue though. An SSD's lifespan is determined by a tolerance of a certain amount of writes measured in TBW (terabytes written). Having video, especially constantly rolling footage at 4K no less that is continuously writing to the drive might be worth using an external storage device for the capture location.

F34R · Nov 19, 2020

Temperance said:
Super short Wipeout collection vid, no save file so can only show off the first track. Hope it renders the 4K at some point.

+ Jeezus that compression is sickening. Wish i could do something about it.

What did you use to capture it?

Temperance · Nov 19, 2020

F34R said:
What did you use to capture it?

This was directly captured on the PS5 at 4K res. Weight in at about ~800MB.

+ TBH it was the initial 1080p encode that made my eyes spin, this was immediately after playing so it was shocking how bad it looked. It now doesn't hit me as that bad immediately and the 4K stream does look pretty good.

ZeroX · Nov 19, 2020

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
So is there any specific reason COD Warzone isn't 120fps on the ps5 yet?

Because it's a BC game and BC games don't support 120fps. It needs a native PS5 version for that.

The PS5 version of Cold War has it.

F34R · Nov 19, 2020

Temperance said:
This was directly captured on the PS5 at 4K res. Weight in at about ~800MB.

Ahh, I'll do one with directly on the PS5, and do a side by side with the same race captured with my avermedia card. The compression doesn't look bad on your video though. I did a video of Astro's Playroom via PS5 and the bitrate was 48Mbs. I do 75Mbs with the capture card.

Rickyrozay2o9 · Nov 19, 2020

ZeroX said:
Because it's a BC game and BC games don't support 120fps. It needs a native PS5 version for that.

The PS5 version of Cold War has it.

Makes sense, thank you. Hopefully this happens sooner than later.

Ngapekz · Nov 19, 2020

I played the disc version of the Last Guardian with no updates on the PS5 today and it plays remarkably well.

Playing it at 1800p 60 FPS is like playing a remaster of the game and fixes all the problems I personally had with it. All the unique animations of your character with the giant feathery Trico following you, running at a buttery smooth 60 FPS makes the game feel like a "next gen" experience. It's really outstanding.

I bought the game at launch but couldn't get past its performance issues. I would have never thought I would be playing it now over PS5 games like Demon's Souls and Spider-Man

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