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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Hmmm... interesting.
Guess we should just pretend that the PS4 didn't also have an ARM chip in it in 2013.
Another reason why I don't see consoles being delayed unless there's catastrophic harm done to the manufacturing and distribution chains is that neither Sony or Microsoft are going to want to let their competitor get a several month head start on them in sales. If one of these companies blinks and announces a delay, that's a huge opportunity for the other if they're able to take advantage of it.
If you don't get it I don't know what to say to you... but lets try this.
Say you are an investor, what would you prefer to hear.
- We have sold 20M consoles in 2020. However, profits are down from $20B in 2019 to $15B... or
- We have sold only 3M consoles in 2020. However, profits are up from $20B in 2019 to $30B.
You didn't answer my question. When Sony makes their forward-looking sales forecasts, giving investors the criteria to judge their performance on, do they say "We want to sell 1M PS4s in all of 2020"?
And you could drop the condescension.
I think if Sony was concerned about not being able to deliver the PS5 in 2020, they wouldn't have just announced that GoT was coming in June. They'd have pushed it back a quarter.
That said, I do agree that they're not doing all they can to draw in new late-cycle buyers. I'm sure they'll do marketing deals and bundles with LEGO Star Wars and Crash 4 and whatnot but I'm surprised they don't seem to have any of their own all-ages IP in the pipeline. I'm also surprised that the MSRP is still $299, and has been for three and a half years now. I've been anticipating a cut-cost model for a while but it hasn't shown up yet.
Yup. 100%.
Who's doing that? XB1 had arm cores too but they were only used for security. It makes it more interesting if the new ones were used for something else.
Why is it when discussing one thing people need to say
"but playstation/Xbox had X feature too.."
it's literally not a war here
I am being condescending with you because you have a strange way of making arguments. You would butcher what a poster says and take a single line or two from what he has said and use that as the basis of your argument while ignoring the context within which the poster made that line you have chosen to focus on.
Idk if this answers your question, but I will make it simple.
- Profits, not console sales is more important. Having one (console sales) just makes having the other (profits from selling games/PS+ subscriptions) easier.
- if sony are talking to their investors about any forecasts, the investors would be fine with anything that says they are making more money this year than they did the last year and that they are going to make more money next year than they did this year.
They obviously are not going to be telling their investors or planning to sell only 1M consoles in all of 2020. That's just silly, but it goes to show how you have this weird way of arguing your point. Obviously that is just an example, made to show that whats more important is profits (which come from selling games and services) and not actually selling hardware. Especially at the tail-end of a console's life.
Its a point made to say, selling hardware is great, but selling software is more important. I'll put it this way (again). Sony would rather sell 40M copies of first-party $60 games in 2020, than sell 20M consoles in 2020 at $150/console. One of those literally gives them around $1.6B in profits. The other at least a $400M loss.
Not about it being a war... its about stupid sensationalist article/opinion pieces like most complex SOC ever and then citing something that was on in console SOCs from 2013. Stupid.
Make no mistake, right now the XSX would be having the most complex console SOC when released... (right along with the PS5) but it wouldn't be because of an ARM chip used to handle background tasks. Cause that's been done already in 2013. And stupid things like that have a way of spreading misinformation.
Xbox Series X Features Most Complex SoC For Gaming Consoles Ever; Multiple CPU Clusters With ARM and x86 Cores – Rumor
"Eat monster for breakfast"
"XSX Custom Processor Block"
Most complex SOC for gaming Console
CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +,
100+ engineer
blue nugroho on Twitter
“#booom #next_level #bleeding_edge "Eat monster for breakfast" "XSX Custom Processor Block" Most complex SOC for gaming Console CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +, 100+ engineer 🦋😎😱😱👀”twitter.com
Source: https://wccftech.com/xbox-series-x-most-complex-soc/
not sure if this is posted before.
The description doesn't sound like anything special all mainstream AMD CPUs these days already contain ARM chips. It sounds like its a multiple core ryzen with a gpu on 7nm form this description.
The info is straight from MisterXmedia and should not even be discussed...
Do you have a source for amd having arm chips? Google search only reveals am old initiative on some server chips
Edit: PS4 I thought had a separate chip or at least enough of an arm chip to run the os
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I'm pretty sure people buy games when they buy consoles. New console owners are likely more active then those who have had their console for years. The beginning of this generation demonstrates this when despite a smaller user base PS4/X1 quickly captured a significant amount of software sales of cross gen games. Also software sales would continually go up each year if every single console sold was an active user. I mean in the end you say it yourself selling hardware makes it easier to sell games. Every console sold is a another potential PS+ subscription which is even more profitable than selling games. Also the goal is to sell third party games (that cost Sony nothing) which require hardware sales.
Having said all that I don't think hardware sales falling at the end of a generation is a problem. But a drop to 1 million sales that dramatically would ring alarm bells to investors and Sony even if they made a profit.
Looks like it's available on LinkedIn as well, although obviously anyone can post anything there.
Sorry my wording was off, but all AMD CPUs contain ARM cores that's for sure.
You can see it here.
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But they have been working on Infinite for ages. So September is not out of question..
Nope, gonna stop you there. You are in control of how you choose to behave on this forum, not me or anyone else. If you choose to be condescending, there is no "because me" there.
Do you speak for all investors, here, in saying what "the investors would be fine with?"
Because I'm an investor, and I'd want more than just sunny forecasts for profits. I'd want to see to see concrete metrics for how the company intends to grow the business. That's a big part of why console vendors break out console sales in their reports to begin with: growing the install base is a positive indicator of future business growth.
Literally all I've done is ask you questions about your claims. And I haven't even asked you to support your central claim, that Sony makes "little to no" profit selling a PS4 for $299 in 2020.
Ha. That's a good'un.
Gran Turismo 5 has full dynamics. It had procedural deformation but it was removed because gamers complained. Slipstream has been tweaked in Gran Turismo Sport a couple of times already (so can be at any time).
Ping-pong physics...yeah, they could do much better there for sure. Maybe Zen 2 can provide the oomph.
The penalty system is ongoing. At some stage it will be perfectly suitable.
Next-generation should have the grunt to fix supplementary issues but I doubt full high-precision ray-traced car, like that BMW on the Unity demo, will be a feature in-game.
I think we will. A 2080 does well with games that have RT reflections. And that's before stuff like vrs and checketboarding and whatnot to claw back performance
AMD's Secure Processor Firmware Is Now Explorable Thanks to New Tool
A security researcher has created a tool to allow the extraction and analysis of AMD's Platform Security Processor firmware.
www.extremetech.com
Ah just a security processor, not bonus CPU resources
What? You know, like, anybody can open a brokerage account, right? You don't have to pass the bar or anything.
Don't feel like updating my computer again, I really fell out of PC gaming. I am now really interested in XSX given the specs and MS's increasing focus on first party software.
I am worried about PS5 as an old school PS fan :/
I am worried about PS5 as an old school PS fan :/
That would be ballsy as fuck! I like it! No need to sell your system on Black Friday, it'll be full price anyway. And the early adopters will buy it no matter what time of the year it is. And launching on its own means it has all the spotlight. Really hope this happens (even though I do have a business trip right in September :(
Absolutely, which is precisely why I found you throwing it around like it puts your opinion above that of others a bit amusing. That's all!
I only mentioned it because Pheonix was making a statement about what "the investors would be fine with," and I was questioning how they could speak for what all investors would want. I mentioned it because it was relevant: I, for one, would not be satisfied by what they described.
I wasn't trying to put my opinion above anyone else's. There are a lot of people here who are investors; there is even a thread on gaming-side specific to game industry investing.
Xbox Series X Features Most Complex SoC For Gaming Consoles Ever; Multiple CPU Clusters With ARM and x86 Cores – Rumor
"Eat monster for breakfast"
"XSX Custom Processor Block"
Most complex SOC for gaming Console
CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +,
100+ engineer
blue nugroho on Twitter
“#booom #next_level #bleeding_edge "Eat monster for breakfast" "XSX Custom Processor Block" Most complex SOC for gaming Console CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +, 100+ engineer 🦋😎😱😱👀”
Source: https://wccftech.com/xbox-series-x-most-complex-soc/
not sure if this is posted before.
It hasn't been posted cause the source is misterxmedia levels of garbage. I have no idea how that guys Twitter account is still even allowed on here
So I'm betting all of you are wondering "where the hell was Transistor last night?" Well, I have a life you know... Occasionally... But I had some fun, slept great, and got myself a damn fine cup of coffee.
So while the bacon's on the grill, let's do this! foxbeldin, PopcornMegaphone. Both of you come over here and have a seat. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date of the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to the following avatars:
foxbeldin, you should always thank people when they give you things
PopcornMegaphone, did you know they're still making Alvin and the Chipmunks movies? I sure as hell didn't!
Well, that's all for now. See ya'll tonight for some more fun! Until then, though:
So while the bacon's on the grill, let's do this! foxbeldin, PopcornMegaphone. Both of you come over here and have a seat. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date of the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to the following avatars:
foxbeldin, you should always thank people when they give you things
PopcornMegaphone, did you know they're still making Alvin and the Chipmunks movies? I sure as hell didn't!
Well, that's all for now. See ya'll tonight for some more fun! Until then, though:
So I'm betting all of you are wondering "where the hell was Transistor last night?" Well, I have a life you know... Occasionally... But I had some fun, slept great, and got myself a damn fine cup of coffee.
So while the bacon's on the grill, let's do this! foxbeldin, PopcornMegaphone. Both of you come over here and have a seat. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date of the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to the following avatars:
foxbeldin, you should always thank people when they give you things
PopcornMegaphone, did you know they're still making Alvin and the Chipmunks movies? I sure as hell didn't!
Well, that's all for now. See ya'll tonight for some more fun! Until then, though:
I have to say your work is sometimes impressive, i'm not sure which is worse.
I just gave Mike Adkins a listen and i am leaning in his direction.
Xbox Series X’s Zen 2 CPU Will Double Its Performance Output – 3D Realms
3D Realms' Frederik Schreiber and Scott Miller expect to see
Not sure if already posted, but another developer talked about the XSX and its performance:
I love how "one of the most complex SoCs to support future gaming consoles" through the magic of Blueisviolet Translate becomes "Most complex SOC for gaming console".
But yeah, I think science has established that time moves forward and not backward so these consoles should be more advanced than their predecessors lol
But yeah, I think science has established that time moves forward and not backward so these consoles should be more advanced than their predecessors lol
Chose wisely (red highlighted headliners)
Is this a reputable site? I personally haven't heard of this one before.
not reputable at all. they'll post every little "rumor" even if they contradict a post they made 10 mins ago (as you see in the image)
Xbox Series X Features Most Complex SoC For Gaming Consoles Ever; Multiple CPU Clusters With ARM and x86 Cores – Rumor
"Eat monster for breakfast"
"XSX Custom Processor Block"
Most complex SOC for gaming Console
CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +,
100+ engineer
blue nugroho on Twitter
“#booom #next_level #bleeding_edge "Eat monster for breakfast" "XSX Custom Processor Block" Most complex SOC for gaming Console CPU cluster, Multiple Core in cluster ARM+X86, GFx engine, latest 7nm tech process (N7+), 10 IP +, 100+ engineer 🦋😎😱😱👀”
Source: https://wccftech.com/xbox-series-x-most-complex-soc/
not sure if this is posted before.
source: MisterXmedia 2
Was gonna get more sucked into this than I already am.. but I am just gonna back down. You win. All I wil say though is this.
Yes I am in control of how I behave, just like you. Ad if I chose to be a certain way to you, it because I feel how or what you have chosen to do warrants it.
Everything I have said and been saying has been to the tune of profits being more important than hardware sales. Especially when looking at a console in its end of life. I may have used some extreme examples (eg 1M consoles sold) to drive home that point, but I believe unless you are just trying to be really difficult, you would have known that. And about me generalizing, well that goes both ways. Because you are an investor and you won't be ok with it doesn't mean there aren' investors that would be ok with it. And again, unless you are just trying to be difficult, no one has said anything about there not being a clear path for growth. But i am just gonna leave that alone.
This all started cause you said something to the tune sony/ms needs to release new stuff cause sales of their current-gen Stuff has tanked. I am saying that's not the case as for sony already having an install base of over a 100M that they can sell games to this year is more important than releasing a new console this year. They can wait till next year for that if they chose to.
Anyways, I think we should just agree to disagree and not chase this any further.
so because DFC intelligence said something, and wccftech reported on it... they can't turn around and make another article about what Zhuge said?
They're pretty much a "throw anything at the wall and see what sticks" site
don't want to making ot about gt sport but pealty system is broken and after last patch even worse(not enough software development algorythm skills ?) and yes, slipstream can be easly fixed but polyphony doesn't listen to players and doesn't change it
I don't think the consoles will be delayed. China seems to be getting back on its feet. I just think we'll see drastic shortages. If something really goes awry in the next month then maybe, but I really don't think so.
www.politico.com
Top U.S. health official: China’s situation is improving
Dr. Anthony Fauci says it is now a question of what happens when normal life resumes.
www.politico.com
We will have heavy shortages even if the virus wasnt a thing.I don't think the consoles will be delayed. China seems to be getting back on its feet. I just think we'll see drastic shortages. If something really goes awry in the next month then maybe, but I really don't think so.
Top U.S. health official: China’s situation is improving
Dr. Anthony Fauci says it is now a question of what happens when normal life resumes.
either way foxconn already reopened and seems to be working at a fast pace, so I wouldnt worry about stock and productions.
My bigger worry is on launch titles possibly missing deadlines due to set backs from this, even if the developers start remote working, i fear that they will still operate slower than at the office. The result of that will likely be lack luster launch titles, unless if a console manufacturer does decide to delay the release to Q1 2021.
As things stand right now though, I am pretty sure both consoles will launch in 2020
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