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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Well, not the dies from TSMC as they're unaffected so far, but I'd assume PCBs are affected. No?
Slides at the 2020 AMD Analyst show said consoles coming holiday 2020. Of course, this is the extent of my knowledge, this and Dr. Su's words.
I don't think ms would delay 1st party since their games are xb1 and PC, games as well. Also
This makes kinda sense
I have a question though.
Why do they need to disable or add 18CU each time?. Does this approach need to be a multiple of 18, for some reason or they can disable the number of CU they want, not just half of them or a third. So, for example, they could have 46 CU for ps5 mode and disable 10 for ps4 pro bc.
I actually have a theory that the design of the XBSX might not guarantee its efficacy relative to the PS5, but instead could guarantee say an equivalent level of cooling, but at a lower audio profile. Thats not based on anything other than my gut and being able to market the box as being quiet despite its perf being a thing they can carry over from the 1X relative to the Pro.
Ah.
Probably because that's what sony and MS have stated. I wouldn't take it as anything other than AMD using info that's out there. Just as they're still using older VGChartz data for global console sales.
Sony has been quiet overall for some time now. Ever since they announced they weren't going to e3 2019, it has seemed like less overall information or at least the way they tell us is less exciting.
Yup. As soon as they announce pre-orders, I'm dumping all of the funds for both consoles.
I think its too early to delay anything but if situation doesn't change in april we are likely to see delay.
But also i don't have a clue or knowledge about this so really anything can happen😁
What about the other pieces of the consoles, like the Samsung parts, ram, ssd etc?
No clue. Only know about TSMC seeing no delays or slow downs. I think that goes for most/all Taiwan based manufactures.
The release is 8 months away lol, chill!
They haven't announced anything because the time isn't right yet; Sony seem to want to make a big splash but the situation with the virus has no doubt forced them to make changes. That said, third party publishers want to start announcing/showing off their titles so there will be external pressure on Sony to get the full reveal out; I very much doubt it'll be a July unveil like many are speculating
Devs sacrificed a lot to get to those graphics though. Interactivity went down or stayed exactly the same in many franchises. Look at what far cry 2 was doing in 2008, fear in 2006, botw on the Wii u among many other examples.
9 tflops is great and all but you don't want devs to be handicapped by a gpu that can't keep up with the physics and other interactivity elements.
The 9 tflops amd cards have piss poor performance in 4k modes. And that's for current gen games that have little to no interactivity. Look at what happened when rockstar added fancy water simulation effects to the pc version. It killed many of the best gpus.
this certainly has my interest peaked
so far this journey has been a wild one
Again, short oversimplified version but there is nothing special about the number 18 itself (other than the original PS4 was 18CUs), its to do with how the GPUs work on an architectural level. It is a possibilty — but having multiples of the base is just the "easiest" option, and because it's a method they've used before, its easy for us look at it as a solution they could use again.
TBH though, its all just speculation and until Sony reveals exactly what they have, no-one can say with any certainty.
RDNA 1 and the Github leak are Navi, so if a thing they would be consistent with what Klee said regarding using navi. I've got no comment on any other claims
Regarding the 3 SE speculation, I just don't think it's necessary or even likely.
In fact I don't expect to see a single RDNA(X) GPU from AMD with any more than 2x Shader Engines.
The RDNA whitepaper seems to be quite clear to me, that the intent is to achieve scalability through additional Shader Arrays + resources within the SE front end, e.g. Geometry Processor, Command Processor, ACEs etc etc.
In fact I don't expect to see a single RDNA(X) GPU from AMD with any more than 2x Shader Engines.
The RDNA whitepaper seems to be quite clear to me, that the intent is to achieve scalability through additional Shader Arrays + resources within the SE front end, e.g. Geometry Processor, Command Processor, ACEs etc etc.
Slightly off topic but usually when there's a new Assassin's Creed game coming out that year they announce it around March.
That would be the biggest flop of a console ever and a massive disappointment. The Xbox One X has essentially done this for the last 3 years.
We know enough about next gen and the PS5 to say that the goal is certainly not 'cleaner' current gen visuals, 9.2TF with a Zen2 CPU is way more than enough to achieve much better graphics than current gen at 4K 60fps.
They will have a far more balanced and capable console this time though (next gen Navi GPU, desktop class Zen 2 CPU, more RAM, NVMe SSD) no crappy slow mobile Jaguar CPU, older 2013 GPU and limited RAM / bandwidth holding them back on things like A.I, physics and interactivity.
The limits of the new console will be vastly better than current hardware and with console optimization, plus things like checkerboard rendering, dynamic resolutions, VRS etc, will allow devs to squeeze more from the consoles GPU.
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Can't come soon enough!
Agreed!
It is the highly impressive and extensive Ray Tracing that Klee talks about that is the interesting thing. The dev kit the game he saw would be running on was the one that became available to third-party from April 2019 (he saw the game around June) so the dev kit must have had some form of RT hardware even that far back.
There aren't many people arguing that PS5 doesn't have RT at this point. I don't think anyone is actually saying that in the tread.
Oh, it makes sense. I just wonder if there's some restriction to use/disable for example, 2CU ,3CU or any number they see fit. With PS 5 in mind, so no need to stick with 36 or 54
I also wonder how much GPU % is freed if HW RT is used, instead of using traditional lighting methods still in use.
So all Sony has to do is show games that you believe will be better looking than what MS will show and its screw TF numbers? I agree with you at the end of the day its about games but this narrative about MS has no games BS needs to stop. No one has any idea what games they will show when they reveal. Just saying HZD2 and TLOU2 will look amazing doesn't mean whatever MS will shown will not be.
There's quite a few that do hence why I brought up that even a year or more ago PS5 dev kits almost certainly had HW RT. What was confirmed at AMD's Financial day is that RT is RDNA 2 only and seemingly can't be bolted onto RDNA 1 (I thought that might be possible).
I haven't seen a Sony has no RT post in 2OTs and they got a ban for it
I find this extremely hard to believe, I'm guessing this must be a huge developer that they went to visit because I'm pretty much convinced the ray tracing is AMD powered ray tracing. If this was out in PlayStation Dev kits in April 2019 we would have heard about it from someone. Did klee actually say they saw the demo of ray tracing with their own eyes?
I do not believe that is where they are coming from, but it is evident that on the software front Microsoft was far far far behind the other two big players in the industry. Sony and Nintendo have a proven track record, this upcoming generation is a brand new attempt by Microsoft to lure in an audience who have played the best games available on other consoles for an entire generation and who have been locked into an entirely different eco system for an entire generation.
Breaking them out of that is going to be difficult no matter the power difference. If their console is priced competitively with Sony, while still holding a massive power superiority plus throw in one year of gamepass then maybe and only maybe could they entice people to jump ship.
The hardcore will buy whatever, the broader casual audience is much more price sensitive.
I didn't say MS has no games. I'm saying up to now we've not much, if any, display of games for Xbox Series X (Hellblade 2 trailer was shown but we're not really sure if that's representative of the game itself). Microsoft has been mostly focusing on talking about specs. My argument is that specs take a back seat as soon as awesome looking games show up, because that's what we're here for.
Starting to think Sony is going to wait until after Ghost is out on June 26th for their big reveal, expecting no hardware numbers as its 9 TF but they will talk about custom built hardware from AMD and the ssd's. Then focus on games, I'd guess around the first week of July, but they may show the console form factor and controller sooner
While running the application it's possible to execute a Pixel-Shader in Wave64 Mode, the next in Wave32 mode or running a Pixel Shader in Wave32 Mode in parallel with a Compute Shader in Wave64 mode.
A Workgroup (a bunch of Wavefronts, one Wavefront is 32 or 64 Threads large) can also be scheduled in WGP mode or CU mode (running on both Compute Units or just one).
These abilities doesn't require a system restart or a global presetting.
Under Linux it's possible to deactivate Compute Units as you want, it also should be possible for console vendors to change the Compute Unit number when running old titles.
Do you know if they are power or clock-gated, or are they just ignored by the scheduler?
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One thing to consider re: Sony is the lack of a super slim console. PS3 super slim was announced September 2012 and gave the console its price floor moving forward. We have no such announcement from Sony, and I have to wonder how much the $300 MSRP slim sales will crater once PS5 is fully unveiled. I can't see a super slim driving their announcement schedule, but it's something to consider.
Sorry I'm confusing myself now. I mean to say that many were saying PS5 was for sure RDNA 1 (GitHub) but what is clear now is that it can't be because RT is RDNA 2 only. I think (hope) I have this straight now.....
Just read Klee's game impressions in the Threadmarks of OT7 etc. The game clearly had advanced RT reflections through fog etc as well as otherwise extremely impressive graphics at 4K. I seriously doubt it was using any form of software solution from the descriptions.
Klee said it was a internal milestone video played from a USB but was told it ran in real-time on the current (at the time) PS5 dev kit with Navi-based hardware.
The meltdowns would be legendary but I wouldn't necessarily mind as long as we got to experience the result of much improved CPU's. Games look pretty damn good these days.
incredible to think there were Dev kits with hardware based AMDraytracing included out in the wild in the middle of last year, when multiple partners in the channel were pressuring AMD to disclose if next gen navi or AMD cards in general would have raytracing. Absolutely, no one on the planet leaked there was AMD hardware raytracing in PS5 Dev kits around this time or even up until now. Its an amazing accomplishment.
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