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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Oh, i don't think it'll happen, but if only a few thousand units could be available, consoles could be released next fall, but with a premium price, and in very limited quantities, and do massive launch with standard price next year
I mean. Of course it could, but that would be such bad PR that it wouldn't be worth what the price increase would get them.
Didn't see this posted but IGN made a video podcast where multiple developers have commented on what gamers can expect from both next gen graphics and new gameplay possibilities. I felt like there was quite a bit of interesting stuff in here. Surprised that I didn't see any discussion on any of this:
What Xbox’s 12 Teraflops ACTUALLY Do - Next-Gen Console Watch
Welcome back to Next-gen Console Watch 2020, our new show following all the news and rumors on the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X. Last week we got the full...youtu.be
Couldn't help but laugh at Dornbush and Mcaffery trying to passively aggressively one up each other throughout the video.
No no no you're looking at it all wrong.
1.8 - 1.3 = .5 million game cubes duct taped together
6 - 4.2 = 1.8 million game cubes duct taped together
12 - 9.2 = 2.8 million game cubes duct taped together
The latter is clearly the largest wall of game cubes, which is all we care about.
I see this more of a real world testing for launch units (reliability and such) than them making a few extra money. And well, having the chance for impatient to buy them.
Like I said though, the PR would be a disaster for them. Plus no guarantee the competitor would do it too, so even if it's a limited release, keeping the same price is key
You know what's interesting?
Three Shader Engines for PS5 would be 54 Active CU @ 1.85ghz would = 12.7 TF
III-V, really interesting.
Same as this tweet:
Randy on Twitter
“@XcloudTimdog @LiquidTitan @RedGamingTech Arden data in Github has gfxclk. People missed it but Arden data in Github is 100% 3584 shader cores (/64 = 56CU) 1675MHz gfxclk 12TF 560GB/s BW (320bit bus 14Gbps)”
twitter.com
Is it your account ? haha
Edit: updated / confusion.
Look at who this guy is @ing...III-V, really interesting.
Same as this tweet:
Randy on Twitter
“@XcloudTimdog @LiquidTitan @RedGamingTech Arden data in Github has gfxclk. People missed it but Arden data in Github is 100% 3584 shader cores (/64 = 56CU) 1675MHz gfxclk 12TF 560GB/s BW (320bit bus 14Gbps)”
Is it your account ? haha.=
As you have access to the data, what do you think about this one:
Randy on Twitter
“@XcloudTimdog @LiquidTitan @RedGamingTech Arden data in Github has gfxclk. People missed it but Arden data in Github is 100% 3584 shader cores (/64 = 56CU) 1675MHz gfxclk 12TF 560GB/s BW (320bit bus 14Gbps)”
For him, it looks like Arden has some references to 3584 shader cores.
Yeah, he has some conclusions I am in agreement with. But not all.
Not me, but yeah, we deduced that long ago. Arden has a bunch of theoretical values. Nothing new there.III-V, really interesting.
Same as this tweet:
Randy on Twitter
“@XcloudTimdog @LiquidTitan @RedGamingTech Arden data in Github has gfxclk. People missed it but Arden data in Github is 100% 3584 shader cores (/64 = 56CU) 1675MHz gfxclk 12TF 560GB/s BW (320bit bus 14Gbps)”
Is it your account ? haha.=
As you have access to the data, what do you think about this one:
Randy on Twitter
“@XcloudTimdog @LiquidTitan @RedGamingTech Arden data in Github has gfxclk. People missed it but Arden data in Github is 100% 3584 shader cores (/64 = 56CU) 1675MHz gfxclk 12TF 560GB/s BW (320bit bus 14Gbps)”
For him, it looks like Arden has some references to 3584 shader cores.
If you meant to post his comment to Komachi, then yes, I saw that the other day when BlacknGoldBlood asked me to look back at Oberon E0. I cross referenced his work with what sangreal had posted (showed me how to read CPU-ID) and it all checks out.
That tweet was in March. All that was derived from GitHub leaks back in December? November? Not sure.
DrKeo thinks that is the memory bandwidth.
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Its not RRP/SRP you'd have to worry about in that scenario, its the (inevitable) fucking scalpers.
The same person who i found out is trash .
I know pastebin get banned but some of these twitter people are worst than anything from there .
Yes, that would happen for sure. In fact will happen if consoles launch with fewer units when at standard price
One thing worth pointing out is that if big Navi is indeed 505 mm^2 for 80 CU in RDNA 2, we need to go back and revisit what 60 CUs with Zen 2 should measure as (XSX). Jim noted this in his video, but it sounds as if RT and the other enhancements are definitely adding area.
Liabe Brave are you looking at this?
Liabe Brave are you looking at this?
Wow! 😲 I believe you it's just the first time I have seen this mentioned.
yeah it is clear we are not seeing the density improvements expected from N7+. RDNA2 is on 7NP.
I just had a little back and forth with him on Twitter. He says there is nothing out there showing Oberon could be Navi 10 lite and he thinks Oberon is the final chip and was RDNA2 from the start. But I'm sure you already knew that. 😀
The naming conventions for 7nm is so F'ing confusing.
N7+ is EUV and 7NP is supposed to be 7NM DUV+ right?
And DrKeo conclusion is the right one, this is data showing memory clock not GFCLK. There is GB/s and reading the feature this isnot the frequency of the GPU
You asked DrKeo but let me chime in, if it is allowed.
I have that option in my prediction since Dec as achieving the bandwidth mentioned in the Github leak would require to use 18Gbps GDDR6 modules or to heavily overclocked 16Gbps GDDR6 modules if the SOC would use a 256-bit memory bus.
DukeBlueBall also said more than once to me that he derived a 320-bit bus from the Project Scarlett video. DrKeo also asked me to make the change to a 320-bit bus which would allow for 14Gbps GDDR6 chips.
I rejected the idea several times because I thought 320-bit is a weird config but Fafalada stated into my direction that a 320-bit bus is not as uncommon as I described it in my argument that time.
I am more convinced about it now as the 14 Gbps solution is likely cheaper and the chips have a better availability than maybe 16Gbps GDDR6 and I do not even know if 18Gbps GDDR6 is even available in higher quantities.
Maybe anexanhume knows that about the 18Gbps GDDR6 memory modules.
N7 - 7nm DUV
N7P - 7nm DUV with process enhancements (performance, not area)
N7+ - 7nm EUV, library incompatible with 7nm DUV (performance and area enhancements, ~18% over N7)
N6 - N7 compatible EUV (performance and area enhancements, ~15% over N7)
The problem with 18 Gbps modules is that they're going to be the cream of the crop. You don't want those for a box you're trying to sell tens of millions of. AMD recently made a mistake where they upclocked memory modules after designs were finalized and put AIB partners in a bind because they hadn't validated the cards at those memory speeds, meaning they could crash. It's not a trivial thing to hit these speeds.
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Some people's agenda is poison cant look at facts in front of their face
Transistor, is it possible to do a broad style bet like for instance. I bet Series S gets announced sometime this coming week, if I am wrong I will leave new avatar up for 6 months regardless of reveal?
No, I do not know or talk to this person. And, like I showed yesterday, Oberon had gfx10 libraries loaded onto it. (NAVI10 - RDNA1).
I think he is a console warrior if he is acting timdawg
For intra-GPU tests, such as with Oberon, the GPU clock is used for similar tests.And DrKeo conclusion is the right one, this is data showing memory clock not GFCLK. There is GB/s and reading the feature this isnot the frequency of the GPU
This is one area I really do not have a firm opinion on. The data seems to allow for different conclusions. Its probably a good time to revisit as a group.
So this is an EUV process that is compatible with the N7 DUV process?
So, WatchMojo posted a PS5 vs XSX video earlier. It states at the beginning that it's purely based on what they know so far about both consoles before going straight into comparing console design and giving the edge to PS5, solely because they can't imagine it being "uglier" than the Series X. I didn't actually watch all of it because the next comparison point was memory, which they also gave the edge to PS5 for reasons, I guess? Honestly, I think they jumped the gun, since there's not enough info on PS5 to compare it to the Series X.
N7+ is, yes. We don't have confirmation that big Navi is N7+ though.
My hands are full with my current avatar contest, but if anyone is willing to take your bet, I aint gonna stop it
lol compare a console we don't know the design and the specs.
00840F10 is a CPU-ID. Can't determine what GPU. But it is likely just Ariel.
00840F00 - Ariel_A0
00840F10 - Ariel_B0
00840F20 - Oberon_A0
00840F30 - Oberon_B0
00840F40 - Oberon_C0
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Jason also said that There won't be straight answers as to which console is most powerful for a while, if there ever are
This can only be true if the console are within the same ball park TF wise. No amount if RAM, bandwidth, SSD speed can make up for a ~3TF GPU difference.
In any case, we seem to be going round in circles here. Lines have been drawn and it seems that people have already formed their conclusions and set them in stone. Sony need to reveal their hand, whether it's 9TF or 12TF and end this madness... though one side should definitely be preparing to eat crow 😂
Imagine having to come up with a marketing strategy to sell a 9 tflops console.
I bet they are shitting bricks too.
Either that or they got a 13 tflops monster like our prophet ruthetentic cookie said and they are so confident in their console they know it's gonna sell no matter what the competition does.
Why is anybody freaking out? Sony is still promoting their upcoming PS4 games, ending the PS4 era strong.
It's the reason he's always in a tub, his pants are permanently on fire.
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