Wait, when did they announce 15% IPC improvement over RDNA1? I watched the whole presentation and the QA and I didn't see that.....
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Yeah, I'm only using Github as a source because I'm more inclined to believe data mined info directly from AMD that matches a code name that aligns with the PS5 over anything else. There really isn't anything else to speculate off of.
You should change your user name to GitHub, perfectly fits for you.
no it was wrong, there is an IPC improvement but they didn't outright state how much it was.
but that's a lateral change
they didn't. people are assuming it's the same 15% (actually 14%) performance improvement that RDNA1 had over GCN because that had the same 50% perf/watt improvement
are you participating in the "klee vs github" bet by any chance? :P
Imagine waking up every morning and saying to yourself, 'I'm going to bring up Github again today'.
What a world we live in.
What a world we live in.
no
there was a 25% IPC improvement on RDNA over GCN
someone misheard (not me) the RDNA2 IPC improvement over RDNA1 and i accidentally relayed that misheard conversation and have since corrected.
Is that not weird though, to have PS4Pro testing in with next gen tests? Or are you saying they are testing for a PS4Pro mode for PS5? Not saying you're wrong at all as I don't have the technical know-how to say either way.
Literally nothing is questionable about what Matt said. He said the difference in power is insignificant. So did KLee. ZhugEx said the BOM are close. But keep listening to and quoting the dregs of Twitter instead.
I could say the same thing for random reddit posts, pastebins, flaky insiders, and YouTube videos but I don't go around attacking people over it
One thing I find really interesting in the GitHub docs is that they ARE STILL WORKING ON ARIEL_B0...... but why would they do that if we already have Oberon_B0. Ariel and Oberon are both fairies... Dual GPU theory rises from the grave?
I don't think the power gap will be that noticeable
Hmm okay so I assume you're partly basing that off there being no VRR or ray-tracing, which there wouldn't be if you were running back compat games? That would make sense.
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After a look who these GitHub guys are, I saw they are owned since 2018 by MS.
Why should I believe them more than trustable insiders ? xD
Why should I believe them more than trustable insiders ? xD
not that i'm paying much attention to this
isn't ariel part of oberon?
Github is a repository service, MS puts stuff on their under their own repositories
it was an AMD employee who was using it and someone found it and AMD forced it to be taken down
this is much like someone putting something on linkedin or whatever. just because MS owns it means nothing.
No, because there's too much info in the github data. The PS5 could end up being 36 CUs and end up being above 9.2 TF. I think the PS5 ends up hitting 10 TF if they really want to hit that number.
I am also 50/50 that github even means anything but there's really nothing else to speculate off of.
Yep. I imagine that there will also be a PS5 Boost Mode that enables brute forcing even better performance from PS4 games like the PS4 Pro Boost Mode does.
What is interesting is what kind of extra features they could overlay on PS4 games with a boost mode.
Yes, but it is a big boy chip at 400mm^2. Even with lower clock speeds it's still going to a big cooler. The other part about that is cost and noise. Larger fans are usually quieter, and the tower design means they don't need to do anything special like the vapor chamber they cooked up for Xbox One X, meaning low costs for the cooler as well.
Regarding disc-less Lockhart I think it could be the wise move. Provided it has a 1TB SSD of course.
For my use case I'm getting a PS5 no matter what. If I can also get a next gen Xbox for cheap to play Gamepass titles only (the "All Inclusive" contract option which is pretty affordable) then I'm probably not actually going to be buying many or any other titles outside of the Gamepass selection. Lockhart basically is a cheaper "in" to all the Xbox exclusives, and still a great place to play whatever third party titles Gamepass will include. I won't really be worrying about it having a disc drive.
Since Microsoft seem to have a business plan which priorities Gamepass subs over all else then a "cheap" next gen Xbox as a Gamepass machine makes sense. I'm still going with Sony too but Microsoft will now get some of my money rather than none, which would be the case if I had to choose one expensive next gen console completely over the other (and I'd choose PS5).
I've really not cared about Xbox this generation at all. Blame the initial bad PR blunders but then also the lack of really quality titles (in my eyes) versus PS4. However I'm really starting to change. Seeing that I can get an Xbox One X and Gamepass for two years for £25ish a month, and knowing I'll want to play some Halo and Forza next gen, I'm looking forward to being in both the main ecosystems rather than choosing just one this time around. I laughed at Lockhart initially, but if they can make it affordable then frankly, I'm in. Oh and Flight Simulator is literally the key here. I want to play that game so badly.
For my use case I'm getting a PS5 no matter what. If I can also get a next gen Xbox for cheap to play Gamepass titles only (the "All Inclusive" contract option which is pretty affordable) then I'm probably not actually going to be buying many or any other titles outside of the Gamepass selection. Lockhart basically is a cheaper "in" to all the Xbox exclusives, and still a great place to play whatever third party titles Gamepass will include. I won't really be worrying about it having a disc drive.
Since Microsoft seem to have a business plan which priorities Gamepass subs over all else then a "cheap" next gen Xbox as a Gamepass machine makes sense. I'm still going with Sony too but Microsoft will now get some of my money rather than none, which would be the case if I had to choose one expensive next gen console completely over the other (and I'd choose PS5).
I've really not cared about Xbox this generation at all. Blame the initial bad PR blunders but then also the lack of really quality titles (in my eyes) versus PS4. However I'm really starting to change. Seeing that I can get an Xbox One X and Gamepass for two years for £25ish a month, and knowing I'll want to play some Halo and Forza next gen, I'm looking forward to being in both the main ecosystems rather than choosing just one this time around. I laughed at Lockhart initially, but if they can make it affordable then frankly, I'm in. Oh and Flight Simulator is literally the key here. I want to play that game so badly.
And the github data isn't questionable?
I would think after yesterday it would be even more but yet....
nope.
Ariel is the iGPU of Gonzalo APU.
Oberon is the iGPU of Flute APU
In other news: Proof that Oberon at time of GitHub testing is NAVI10 i.e. RDNA 1.0? (gfx10_ libs) ?
Haha, April fools?
Probably not the best date for more info, I could hear it now "Lockheart: April Fools Console"
The mystery over the GitHub leak is the most interesting thing by far in these speculation threads IMO. I can see both sides of the argument and there are valid points being made by both camps. I am fascinated to learn the truth about how it relates to the PS5. I couldn't imagine what we'd be talking about all this time with no news to speak of. Certainly we wouldn't be close to OT 12 by now, I don't think.
Is this a real post?
Might be worth looking up the Azure/Sony partnership, too. /s
I don't mind it, but I find both sides pretending they don't know the answers to their questions that they have asked a hundred times by now amusing.
It is definitely not complete I don't think it's proof of anything.
I would guess that they would also develop Lockhart on the same architecture as its big brother, the Series X. No reason to think they would go RDNA1. There wouldn't be much in the way of cost savings unless we are talking about different process nodes (7nm vs 7nm+ for example.)
Idk what your problem is...
I saw only that they are owned by MS and I prefer to trust other insiders.
XSX gets to 56+ CU's with 2 SE's - no need to add a SE.
GitHb has test results going all the way down to an individual WGP (dual CU) - no need to have multiples of 18 past 36 CU.
They're also both moons of Uranus. Sony pulling a mooney at us confirmed.
I don't want to be scared, I want to be wowed. Let them do the number crunches, it has no bearing on us, the consumers. Either way Sony will be fine, just want both to be specced similarly, doesn't matter who "wins" as long as they are perfectly comparable. 9.2 wouldn't be the end of the world but 12 is more tempting for me
Yeah, I didn't include any of the "butterfly" or "clover" configuration stuff......Just trying to keep it somewhat simple. Still a long post :)
So....where is that RDNA 2 PS5 gpu at......
Hey, RDNA 1 plus RDNA 1... two gpus....
Does my math work out?
Besides the "next gen starts when they say so" everything else is just opinion. It does not seem that incendiary. Not sure why that warranted a ban instead of a warning, if that.
Klee confirmed it and said it wasn't surprising and changed nothing before MS did. It fell completely in line with his predictions too.
I think a lot of people here are going to owe him an apology.
Oberon and Ariel are both iGPU. Ariel was/is the progenitor to Oberon. Oberon is being regression tested to Ariel.
Ariel is the folder root for nearly everything NAVI10 related, as far as I can see. Ariel is very old.
Komachi found the GitHub leak as this is literally word-for-word in the interns "daily_work" task log, as instruction from a superior.
For Oberon:
git fetch ssh://---withheld----/diagnostics/ec/diag_gpu_ariel refs/changes/---withheld
If there is nothing to speculate off of, why are you constantly hammering github and then go on to post timdog and friends twitter posts?
I could see that happening:
PS5 GPU:
18CU = PS4 Mode
36CU = PS4 Pro mode
56CU = Native PS5 games
Please tell me why should I trust them more than people like Klee or Matt ?
Was a bit weird when I saw owned by MS, nothing more...
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