Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall. And, despite all the rumors about devkits being...
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On the first statement you are right, on the second you are wrong.
First paragraph of the link. It is RTX 2080. Not Super, not TI.
Jason Schreier says the PS5 is more powerful than the RTX 2080 and will have around 10-12Teraflops of power - Gaming Route
Jason Schreier recently said in a podcast that Both consoles are so equal in power and that both consoles' GPUs are more powerful than an Nvidia RTX 2080
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I would be more scary of more powerful console or even similar at the same prize (with more than twice user basis and noncrossgen exclusive day one) with all I have other to compete is 1080p capable machine for 300$ for 2020-2027
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Don't want to be a debbie downer, but we currently assume PS5 will have RDNA2 because AMD speaks of next gen consoles, the plural, using their latest tech, right?
What if they mean Lockhart and Series X? Was this possibility already discussed?
What if they mean Lockhart and Series X? Was this possibility already discussed?
Yes and someone caught a ban for this yesterday so be careful.
Oh yeah, he was totally talking about Lockhart when the slide showed XSX and PS5.
Lockhart hasn't been officially revealed yet. It may never be, we don't know.
No. It's the consoles they actually put on their slides, PS5 and Series X.
PS5 and Series X logos everywhere. No mention of an unannounced console.
also:
David Wang
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Lockhart officially doesn't exist, so i dont think so.
it would require the same cpu and SSD minus what's needed to push those detailed assets the XSX is using.
An SE stands for Shader Engine. It is something that has been part of AMD's graphic cards since GCN second gen. Here is the wikipedia entry:
" GCN 2nd generation introduced an entity called "Shader Engine" (SE). A Shader Engine comprises one geometry processor, up to 44 CUs (Hawaii chip), rasterizers, ROPs, and L1 cache."
The PS4 had one single SE with 18 CU running at 800Mhz, while the PS4 Pro had two shader engines with 36 CU running at 911Mhz. When the PS4 Pro was playing original PS4 games that had not received a enhanced patch it disabled one of the SE to emulate the actual hardware of the PS4 so that there wouldn't be any bugs or glitches.
For this generation (NAVI, instead of GCN) AMD is still using shader engines (SE) and at this point all of their graphic cards have either 1 SE or 2 SE, but there are rumors that some of the upcoming big Navi GPUs will have 4 SEs. At this point we are pretty sure that Arden is the Series X GPU and it uses 2 SE with 56 CU running at approximately 1.675 Mhz. For Sony the really old info on Ariel said it used 2 SE with 36 CU, and then the later backwards compatibility testing that was tied to PS5 also showed 2 SE with 36 CU at 800Mhz, 911Mhz, and 2.0 Ghz. This shows that the PS5 will probably use the same method of backwards compatibility, running 1 SE with 18 CU for PS4 games, running 2 SE with 36 CU for PS4 Pro games, and then maybe running 2 SE with 36 CU at 2.0 Ghz for games that have an engine that can take advantage, or maybe for PS5 games.
We don't have any idea if that is what the final chip is though because that leak did not show RT and VRS, while it did show those things for Arden (the XSX GPU). Now that we know PS5 also has RT and VRS it makes the Github leak look like it may have only been testing for BC because it is missing final details. The thought is then that maybe PS5 has 3 SE with 54 CU, and that the Github data only showed backwards compatibility testing.....
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But I feel like if it's your competitors that you are stuck in between (vs your own product– say similar to the suggest of the iPhone 11 vs iPhone 11 Pro) you're not marketed as "the best" and not the "cheapest" an the overall brand image is "we're the best and cheapest place to play", it feels more like a squeeze vs trying to get people to land in the middle of your own product range.
Hi all,
I am not sure if it has been spoken before yet, but can somebody tell me about the UHD Player capabilities of the PS5 ?
I know that almost 100% it will have that capability. But how about the remote to control your PS5's UHD Player ? Any hint about that ?
I am not sure if it has been spoken before yet, but can somebody tell me about the UHD Player capabilities of the PS5 ?
I know that almost 100% it will have that capability. But how about the remote to control your PS5's UHD Player ? Any hint about that ?
I feel it in my gut that Lockhart will be a thing by mid of April or even earlier. 1st of April would be a perfect date.
No additional details that I am aware of, sorry :)
Colbert you pick April Fools Day as Lockhart reveal?
To try to sum it up:
Github leak which has been right with everything so far (in regards to Xbox/AMD lineup) and was confirmed to be 100% real which had PS4/PS4 Pro underclock modes but the leak wasn't completely detailed and missing things
and then you have insiders making other claims that Sony is higher but it can't be on that chip design because it's hitting thermal maximums... you'd need > 2 GHz clocks to hit it... you had jason say 10-12 TF and Klee say PS5 was higher than XSX but then you have the problem of the design... it can't hit that without crazy thermal management (more aggressive than X1X)... you also had another insider say they were within 15% which would be 10.2 -13.8 TF range
so that's why you have people fighting over it... as some people believe there's another design that exists which is possible but unlikely (R&D is hundreds of millions of $ and you'd have to engineer multiple consoles) and Sony burning an extra $300+ million just to be safe would be weird unless it's a PS5 / PS5 Pro arrangement but there's only been a couple rumors pointing at that and the price range for next gen would likely be weird... ($299 XSS @ 4-6 TF / $399 PS5 @ 8 TF? / $499 XSX @ 12 TF / $599 PS5 Pro @ 16 TF?) which would basically just end up being the PC industry in console form XD
it's an unstoppable force vs immovable object scenario
and sony being really quiet is not helping as we're not sure if they're worried and waiting until MS shows their complete hand or sony is higher and is waiting to pounce or sony is freaking out as they misread the market and trying to rush another design out which would be pretty difficult to do in short order.
it could be that neither MS or Sony really care about the other and Sony is intending to release a 9.2 TF console but has to wait as software isn't ready to show. Or maybe they do have a Pro on the way but they're waiting for final silicon before showing it off. Big Navi is coming along slowly, but XSX is a variant of it while the rumored 9.2 TF console is a variant of currently released Navi.
In reality nobody knows a damn thing for sure. I'd cautiously put my money on Github being correct but nobody can say with any certainty one is true or one is false because again... nobody knows a damn thing for sure outside of Sony.
The argument over the numbers isn't going to change a thing so people are arguing with each other just to feel good only to be vindicated or let down in the end. It's basically a stock market for feelings.
Why not, it would surely produce some chaos if it is real or not. Wouldn't it be fun to see the conversations until MS comes out to say: No fun, the thing is real? But I think the reveal is coming this month or early next month.
That sounds like a terrible idea to announce a product that people are not sure if it is real or not
I would buy 2 XSS, well actually not but a 300 usd next gen console would be massive, specially considering PS5 won't be lower that 450Sorry if posted
Xbox Series S Price leaks at just $300 - MSPoweruser
The Xbox Series S price has leaked at a remarkably low price, somehow lower than the current-generation Xbox One X. But can we trust this leak?mspoweruser-com.cdn.ampproject.org
At this point, I am thinking that MS is awaiting the PS5 reveal to occur before they reveal Lockhart. ???
All will he revealed eventually. There isn't confirmation one way or another so It doesn't make sense to have a belief about it.
I'm very amused by all the people in this thread who somehow believe that Microsoft don't have very precise figures around whether price-conscious gamers buy games on disc or digitally.
I'm even more amused by those who invoke the Xbox One SAD to back up their argument as if that wasn't a test run for Lockhart which Microsoft clearly thought worked out hence why they're pursuing this strategy in next gen.
I'm even more amused by those who invoke the Xbox One SAD to back up their argument as if that wasn't a test run for Lockhart which Microsoft clearly thought worked out hence why they're pursuing this strategy in next gen.
Noone is saying that, obviously. MS built the best strategy they could for what they assumed Sony's plan was (another $399 mass market device that would be a lock to sell another hundred million).
But that doesn't mean they hope Sony launches at $399, it just means they expected Sony to launch at $399. If Sony wants to help them out by going with a more expensive machine, I doubt MS will complain.
Awesome post. Thanks. So it's not possible that there are 28 CUs per SE here, and that some of the CUs were disabled? Are we saying that you can't disable a few of the CUs within a SE? I guess that's the case since the argument never mention this.
I pretty much disagree with this. They won't save very much money by keeping the really large die and binning the parts. This would mean they still have to use large coolers, larger mainboard, larger case, etc.....Also if PPW really has increased on RDNA2 then 1.675 Mhz clocks on the GPU part is extremely conservative, and is going to mean they already have very high yields
I think just due to the way Sony's backwards compatibility works they have chosen not to do that. I don't think that is impossible for the hardware though, but we have no examples of any AMD video card or APU doing this so far.........
ESA sweating hoping for some news other than more cases reported in the US.
It was a joke about the idea of chaos and mayhem (1st of April). Not a serious suggestion :)
I honestly have no insight in the marketing plan of Sony and MS is surely acting completely different to what we are used to from them.
All can happen these days.
I expect that to be the case for RT and VRS. Otherwise Lockhart wouldn't make sense at all. Aiming 1080p first 1440p if possible is my bet. I made a post about that: Link
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Do we actually know the reception of the Xbox One SAD though? Since Microsoft doesn't release sales numbers anymore I don't know that we can tell if it bombed or was a huge success. Also I don't think you are going to figure that out from the attitude around here towards it. We are the enthusiasts, not really the SAD target audience....
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Sony are silent because they already know MS are beat. They will drop a 13.2tf console at $450, they have the better games, they have a huge install base, the next gen starts when they say so, they have the entire industry on strings.
If they were lower in power than Microsoft they would have been dropping news left right and centre to mitigate it and to try and cover the 12 tf news about XSX.
Lockheart will be released by MS to try and play catch up on Sony, and will fail again.
If they were lower in power than Microsoft they would have been dropping news left right and centre to mitigate it and to try and cover the 12 tf news about XSX.
Lockheart will be released by MS to try and play catch up on Sony, and will fail again.
Its pretty impossible to tell whats serious and whats not around here anymore
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
(Figuring out how it works) Next Generation Console Preview Generation Nine in Three Quarters Black Boxes Wrapping it up ___ References I References II
great that's not the quote I'm talking about.
Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall. And, despite all the rumors about devkits being...
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You are consistently misquoting Jason in regards to his comments comparing RTX GPUs as multiple people have pointed out multiple times. He didn't say Super or TI he said 2080 which is 10tf as Colbert has kindly provided on a couple occasions so far.
On the first statement you are right, on the second you are wrong.
First paragraph of the link. It is RTX 2080. Not Super, not TI.
Jason Schreier says the PS5 is more powerful than the RTX 2080 and will have around 10-12Teraflops of power - Gaming Route
Jason Schreier recently said in a podcast that Both consoles are so equal in power and that both consoles' GPUs are more powerful than an Nvidia RTX 2080
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Thank you for providing the link I was getting ready to grab that.
This too he was speculating on the podcast but people love to skip over those details.
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