no matter how hot MS comes out, or what mistakes sony makes with ps5 (don't read into this statement - its to make a point only), playstation is surely going to dominate worldwide next gen too.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Exactly.
Folks that are pros in SalesEra will tell you it was always ahead in sales launch aligned... starting with a higher price.
The fact that a year head start gap didn't stay or help in the end says it all.
I doubt it if it's that much power of a difference. Probably a chip that's ~2/3s the size from having half of the gpu cores or less.
There's a lot of savings to be made with 3/4 of the RAM (old rumour) significantly smaller APU, no optical disk, and maybe half the storage too.
Honestly, Sony could stick a PS5 badge on a toaster and still probably come out on top of this next generation (if we take what Nintendo are doing to be out of the traditional generational divide). Xbox just isn't really a thing in too much of the world.
This to me is still the right question. I have said many times I don't think the PS5 will be 36CU/2GHz, but you have to be honest about what you think the alternative is. And I don't think there's a secret third chip out there.
They can just put a disc drive on the shelf next to Lockhart for $50 for those who want it, it's not that hard.
I'm very confident these will be two separate APUs. They won't be harvesting a 56CU chip to get a 20-24CU chip.
The only thing it did not have was the subs but it had both the hardware and the games revenue after the bad few years.
Still $399 or $499 don't matter Sony will never be fucked lol
Sell less consoles yeah but they would be alright .
The people saying $400 PS5 are the same ones saying 9TF PS5. I don't get your question.
only because it was heavily discounted? For the original price, it wasn't worth it.
Yeah the PS brand is a looooot stronger than the Xbox brand worlwide.
In an equal market it's a lot more cut and dry but MS is at a disadvantage as far as worldwide sales/appeal. Sony coming in at 9+ TF and $100 more expensive than a 4TF Lockhart and $100 cheaper than a 12TF XSX could easily swing it for Sony, especially when you factor in their momentum coming out of this gen.
If the launch SKUs end up being
S - 300
PS5 - 400
X - 500
It would be a situation not really seen before at launch. Not easy to predict what will happen in truth, because it hasn't happened before.
We do know the market has proven there is a distinct audience for enthusiast grade hardware and then casual on the other end of the spectrum.
S - 300
PS5 - 400
X - 500
It would be a situation not really seen before at launch. Not easy to predict what will happen in truth, because it hasn't happened before.
We do know the market has proven there is a distinct audience for enthusiast grade hardware and then casual on the other end of the spectrum.
The environments were impressive, but characters and their clothing weren't anywhere near the standard I expect from the next generation. There were a few moments where stiff clothing jumped out at me, and the lifeless stares evident in most scenes was disturbing. Let their eyes move to take in what they're looking at, and for gods' sake let them blink outside of specifically scripted moments!
I am very much looking forward to the game, but I expect next generation titles to blow it away. Only TLoU part 2 seems to be vying seriously for next-gen animations in a current generation title.
For some reason some people think MS and Sony have the same mind share out side of USA and UK where that far from the truth .
That will always be factor no matter what once don't don't get crazy like $300 more and worst lol.
Most of that was real-time? cutscenes though, right? I'm hoping the pixel density increase actually means the in-game controllable graphics will surpass this.
Imagine The Order 1886 sequel with that kind of texture density. Yes I liked TO1886.
I find this artstation about the game and it is easy to forget how it is beautiful
Airship - Rappel Sequence Lighting
In game renders from The Order 1886. Environment Modeling by James Rosenkranz Environment Texturing by Megan Parks
dushyant.artstation.com
On the contrary when I sold Apple products (admittedly in iPod and early iPad era) it was always the middle that sold the most and it was forecast to do so based on the literature Apple gave us too. Very few wanted to get the entry model ("too cold"), the majority aspired for the top end but was beyond their budget ("too hot") and settled for the one in the middle ("just right").
I have 0 doubt next-gen graphics during gameplay will surpass anything we've seen during cutscenes this gen.
I don't see it. If lockhart is real, that means even less XSX to manufacture. Then there is the coronavirus that will affect the production of both PS5 and XSX.
*banderas gif* So can't wait to see the first full next-gen gameplay footage.
yeah it would be really crazy
Especially with all 3 likely having most of the same games
$300 Series S (lockheart). Hmmm. I like the idea of a Series S a lot, but the rumors of a 4TF gpu is something I dont like at all.
Why? Simply because the gap is too large. 12 TF down to 4 TF? that's a MASSIVE gap. I know the biggest demand for the 12 TF is 4K resolution and the 4TF can run, what... 1080p? 1440p? Just no. It will hold things back to a degree in more ways than just resolution.
The thought of the Series S having a 4 TF gpu and the One X having a 6 TF gpu doesn't sit well either. I know it's different architectures between the 2, RDNA2 will be way way more efficient than GCN, and the TF #s are all theoretical maximums that are never achieved, but still... give us some more umph in the Series S. I hope the rumors aren't true and the eventual Series S has at least 6-8 TF.
If it is true, then the series s can be a great system for 1080p users and it would be better than a One X, but I hope it doesn't hold games back, because they will have to design games with the lowest common denominator in mind. and im not buying it that it'll only be a resolution diff.
Why? Simply because the gap is too large. 12 TF down to 4 TF? that's a MASSIVE gap. I know the biggest demand for the 12 TF is 4K resolution and the 4TF can run, what... 1080p? 1440p? Just no. It will hold things back to a degree in more ways than just resolution.
The thought of the Series S having a 4 TF gpu and the One X having a 6 TF gpu doesn't sit well either. I know it's different architectures between the 2, RDNA2 will be way way more efficient than GCN, and the TF #s are all theoretical maximums that are never achieved, but still... give us some more umph in the Series S. I hope the rumors aren't true and the eventual Series S has at least 6-8 TF.
If it is true, then the series s can be a great system for 1080p users and it would be better than a One X, but I hope it doesn't hold games back, because they will have to design games with the lowest common denominator in mind. and im not buying it that it'll only be a resolution diff.
I suspect they went straight to combo consumer unit / devkit. All the xbox dev kits I've seen have looked like their consumer units.
Mark Papermaster in the AMD Analyst Q&A 3:11:45, when asked about why there is no mention of 7nm+
Locuza anexanhume
So sounds like 7nm+ is a real possibility.
Here is the link for slides and webcast if anyone wants it:
Locuza anexanhume
So sounds like 7nm+ is a real possibility.
Here is the link for slides and webcast if anyone wants it:
maybe mobile dev ? civ 6 125-256px/m, ryse 512px/m, battlefield1 1024px/m
Graphics can always be downgraded, hitting fps mark is the real battle. As long as the cpu is equal, it will be fine.
there wont be a shortage due to coronavirus due to the chinese forcing the uyghurs into working at factories for apple, sony, ms and nintendo.
check out the thread stickied in off topic.
So we can see there are different aspects making up the RDNA 2.0 perf/watt gains.
1 - u-arch change - unknown changes aside from adding in fixed function hardware units
2 - logic enhancement - REDUCED SWITCHING POWER AND COMPLEXITY This is huge for thermals
3 - physical optimizations - higher density thus lower interconnect loss and capability for increased clocks?
all of this smells like 7nm+
If the info about Lockhart is true, I would pick one up for $299 easily...
...except the lack of a disc drive is a non-starter since it would eliminate about 60% of all my Xbox games from it. It's weird lauding BC with 4 generations, but only digital versions qualify for Lockhart.
...except the lack of a disc drive is a non-starter since it would eliminate about 60% of all my Xbox games from it. It's weird lauding BC with 4 generations, but only digital versions qualify for Lockhart.
In fact, there is no CU number on all Oberon leaks.
Oberon leaks are regression tests. Even if the 36 CUs is the most probable counts right now, there is no evidence.
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I think they applied a bunch of their Vega APU secret sauce savings to Navi. They got Vega power way down without changing nodes (still N7/N7P).
So we can see there are different aspects making up the RDNA 2.0 perf/watt gains.
1 - u-arch change - unknown changes aside from adding in fixed function hardware units
2 - logic enhancement - REDUCED SWITCHING POWER AND COMPLEXITY This is huge for thermals
3 - physical optimizations - higher density thus lower interconnect loss and capability for increased clocks?
all of this smells like 7nm+
No proper Y axis makes this kind of a silly chart.
So we can see there are different aspects making up the RDNA 2.0 perf/watt gains.
1 - u-arch change - unknown changes aside from adding in fixed function hardware units
2 - logic enhancement - REDUCED SWITCHING POWER AND COMPLEXITY This is huge for thermals
3 - physical optimizations - higher density thus lower interconnect loss and capability for increased clocks?
all of this smells like 7nm+
I don't expect shortages. Lisa Su said that they are close to full production now and expect to be back up to 100% in the upcoming weeks.
Great find
That was kind of odd like a mixture of really great and plasticy looking at the same time.
Without disc drive, it's still a niche. Only for big cities (high-speed Internet + no limit) and only people who wants 100% digital games (higher price + can't trade/resell) + ready to say good bye to your old previous games.
I wonder Sony execs think when they see that leaked ugly-looking dev kit everywhere as the face of their next-gen console.
yeah, possibly. - but Vega for sure moved from N7 to N7P at the very least.
RDNA 2.0 is a 50% improvement (perf/watt) over RDNA 1.0 (next slide).
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They need to revive that program idea of trading in physical games for a digital license. Not saying that would necessarily work for everyone (i.e. the old Unabomber off the grid or foreign military base examples), but could help some. I would certainly like to do that for a few discs I have.
I don't know what the point is you are trying to make? You think Sony will not dominate when they sell a 499,95 system? Personally i think they are in a better position to sell at that price Worldwide..
How are they going to achieve that, when the games retailers are on the rocks already.
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