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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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It's Final Fantasy XVI, Siren, Dynasty Warriors 9: Xtreme Legends, Dynasty Warriors 10, Tenchu 5, God of War Part 2, Yakuza 7 (which is already out for PS4), and Shachou Eiyuuden Remake (spelled with the wrong kanji character for "den").
CPU worse is because it doesn't need to be the same speed. You should assume that the CPU will be slightly slower however it will perform equivalent to XSX. The less support the GPU needs the slower the CPU required. They will not have a hamstrung CPU. It will perform the exact same as the XSX in usage.
Do you remember what happened in 2013?
- PS4 revealed in February, specs (no price)
- XBox One revealed in May, specs (no price, weaker machine, TV TV TV, Sports Sports messaging)
- Xbox reveals price at E3 first, $499
- PS4 reveals price afterwards $399
So... Xbox controlled their messaging going 3 months after Sony? Priced better when announcing first?
None of the above.
What "repeat" are you talking about?
I mean you said if you were comfy with their specs they will release them. So you think they are shook, so they gotta find ways to beat in the features side and games side to offset their lower power compared to the Series X.
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Thanks a lot.
If you don't have a drive you have to download the games. A slow connection can make this a very tedious process.
PS5 isnt coming in at $400 if insider information is correct and it is more powerful than the XSX.
For those who don't understand the texel density 4096/m it means, you can't do better textures resolution than this at 4k. The texture will be perfect for 4k. If you render at a higher resolution you will need higher resolution texture but not at 4k.
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I was about to say! Y'all can run this, but I gots my hands full
You're going to need to download day one patches and updates on most games anyways. Gaming in general is going to be slow and tedious for you if you have a slow connection.
eh, we don't know either way on the PS5. It would be nice if they would give us some info though
These posts don't make no sense because now you're on record saying that crow will be eaten. Suppose the shoe ends up on the other foot? Will that still be a fun day? If you got details, make it plain.
It'd be more accurate if it was:
Github: PS5 is 36 (active) CUs (possibly upped to 40 active/total), or
Klee/Reiner: PS5 > 12 TF's (in regard to it being over XSX/Anaconda)
Pls! Have a disc drive. 🥺 Definitely getting this if it's got one.
Martha Is Dead Dev Impressed By PS5's Previously Unannounced Texel Density - PlayStation Universe
The studio behind upcoming horror title Martha Is Dead has praised a number of PS5 features, including Texel density and its SSD. Get more details here.www.psu.com
bilinear Texture per cycle:
2*4*Sum_all_SX_channel [ (SX_PERF_SEL_DB0_PIXELS + SX_PERF_SEL_DB1_PIXELS+SX_PERF_SEL_DB2_PIXELS +SX_PERF_SEL_DB0_PIXELS) / SX_PERF_SEL_GATE_EN3 ]
{2 is sclk, 4 means 4 texels per pixel used, so should be Gtexel/s}
Oberon B0 - 286.3 GT/s (2 GHz gfxclk)
Dalco PS5 - 245.76 GT/s (unknown gfxclk)
So it could be slightly detuned from 2.0 GHz (maybe 1.71 GHz if I use a linear model between 2 and 0.911 GHz - note that linear may be a bad model).
EDIT: Looking at Arden, I see a theoretical value of 224 pix/cycle which I am assuming is the analogue as bilinear texture per cycle we have for Oberon.
Nevermind I read this as telex filtrate (px/s) instead of texel density (px/meter). All it means is really great IQ.
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The company selling a >12tf box with 1tb of ssd for $400 is taking a large profit hit.
i think cpu is a cut down version of whatever they have in the xbox series x. i agree that the clocks dont have to be the same but they need to save some money on the die which means quartering the cache. i wouldnt be surprised if they went with 16-32MB cache for the series x which could explain the giant APU size.
For team Klee it doesn't have to be over XSX. He said that they were close enough that a small change could tip the balance.
As much as i see 9.2 over and over its either, over 10 or under is the simplest way to go about this
Do you think digital purchasing is a foreign concept to a generation who gets every other form of entertainment digitally? Netflix? Spotify? Apps? Etc etc
I think the biggest potential Lockhart has is being sold as a secondary console to Playstation gamers, not just to "poor gamers". There's going to be a ton of enticing Xbox exclusives next-gen, and Playstation gamers can get access to them at a relatively cheap price with Lockhart and Game Pass.
It's a density metric, not a throughput metric.
This link explains it:
He means texels per meter, for their games's assets/environments etc.
It's not an indicator of GPU texel sample rate or whatnot.
By way of comparison, Ryse was using a texel density of 512/m. Dunno what other more recent games might have been doing, but it someone had those numbers it might give one idea of of 'asset capacity' improvement - although comparing different games in this way by be very apples to oranges.
If its RDNA2, then 50% improved performance per watt may allow 2GHz at similar power usage as navi at 1.7-1.8
I think they are referring to pixels per meter, not per minute.
Mine is worse... She cleans, cooks, washes the clothes when she is supposed to work from home and gives out when I work from home because I actually DO work and typically only cooks between two calls lol
First, I didn't say anything lol. That was another poster. And that poster was saying that between the two approaches they would consider the more confident company going first the more obvious move. Which makes sense if you had to choose between those two scenarios, as Sony surely knew they had bested MS last time and they went first, even throwing out the whole "We'll let them go first....psych!" curve ball. Lastly, that poster also said they have no idea where Sony is coming in power-wise. They're not saying Sony is shook. They're responding to another poster about what each scenario could mean.
Somehow I read it as texel fill rate. Bummer.
How does this translate into something easier to understand, like number of TMUs?
Edit: nevermind, I guess it doesn't indicate texel rate or pixel fill rate.
Closest current equivalent to XSX/Lockhart is the switch - docked is XSX, undocked is lockhart. Main difference is target resolution. For the switch, GPU clocks are changed so when undocked it uses less power. But CPU is the same - because you still need to be able to run the same engine, update the same elements, feed the same 3D models into the GPU etc.
IMO Lockhart would need identical or almost identical CPU and the main cost saving on the APU would be on the smaller GPU
I'm actually surprised that people are complaining about the XSS not having an optical drive.
The Xbox One X and the Xbox One All Digital were the pre-cursors for how MS will approach this gen.
Physical games will continue to die off at an accelerating pace. MS is leaning hard into GamePass. This console will be sold for around $300 and still be losing money even without the BR drive. The way you make it up is cutting out the optical drive that is becoming increasingly obsolete and that pushes the LTV of the console up via digital and GP sales.
The sales lost to those clinging to physical will be significantly offset by the money made from people jumping on a $299 next gen console.
It will be the same CPU but clocked down. The Switch isn't a good comparison because its still one console. Think of the difference in clocks between the One S and the X. One S is around 1.75GHZ the Xbox One X is 2.3GHZ. The One X needs the extra speed to help feed the GPU.
They both run the background stuff the same.
I expect the XSS to use binned Series X chips with lower clocks and disabled CUs. Increases yields on the series X.
The Xbox One X and the Xbox One All Digital were the pre-cursors for how MS will approach this gen.
Physical games will continue to die off at an accelerating pace. MS is leaning hard into GamePass. This console will be sold for around $300 and still be losing money even without the BR drive. The way you make it up is cutting out the optical drive that is becoming increasingly obsolete and that pushes the LTV of the console up via digital and GP sales.
The sales lost to those clinging to physical will be significantly offset by the money made from people jumping on a $299 next gen console.
It will be the same CPU but clocked down. The Switch isn't a good comparison because its still one console. Think of the difference in clocks between the One S and the X. One S is around 1.75GHZ the Xbox One X is 2.3GHZ. The One X needs the extra speed to help feed the GPU.
They both run the background stuff the same.
I expect the XSS to use binned Series X chips with lower clocks and disabled CUs. Increases yields on the series X.
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I'm so down for this. Team Klee all the way. Tho I'd have to figure out the overlapping avatar bet. Maybe wear it for a week after launch or something.
And most importantly, people like me, that prefer to buy games physically, would lose bc on all our games.
Dev friend says it's about 20x the average pixel density he's worked with.
Yeah its fantastic IQ. The bummer is that I went back and looked at the fill rate ;)
lends credence to the series X= 500, PS5=400, and Series S=300 dollar line of thinking.
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