PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?

[meenseen84]

Lockhart reveal soon is interesting. The one thing about it that is disappointing is that it will likely play the Xbox One S version of games rather than the X. Maybe they just will stop production of the Xbox one consoles and get rid of stocks completely like what they did with the VCR Xbox One to the One S. I do get why it exists and am predicting that these are going into the server racks for xcloud.

 

[Expy]

Without the price, I don't know why they would announce it at this time.

"The same as Xbox Series X, but weaker (and possibly no disk drive)" ?

 

[Tappin Brews]

As an Xbox guy I didn't even think about it as a potential second device for the hardcore but this makes sense. My brother is a huge playstation guy who always say that he would love to play some of Xbox's exclusives but doesn't want to fork over the money for a gaming PC. This could be the perfect middle ground to enter the xbox ecosystem next gen.

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ive seen a lot of sony posters here saying just that.

 

[OG_Thrills]

I'm aware some here don't care for dealer

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The fact that his content is allowed to be posted anywhere on Restera is truly stunning to me.

 

[isahn]

depending on price and size Lockhart could be a interesting proposition for me

 

[darkside]

Lockhart reveal soon is interesting. The one thing about it that is disappointing is that it will likely play the Xbox One S version of games rather than the X. Maybe they just will stop production of the Xbox one consoles and get rid of stocks completely like what they did with the VCR Xbox One to the One S. I do get why it exists and am predicting that these are going into the server racks for xcloud.

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If thats the case I actually just don't see a reason why I'd want this instead of an Xbox One X considering they're the same price (presumambly the XBX is just going to be $299 till the end of the year at this rate). Like Lockheart seems like a compromised device then.

 

[gofreak]

Without the price, I don't know why they would announce it at this time.

"The same as Xbox Series X, but weaker (and possibly no disk drive)" ?

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My guess: it'd be done now to try to get ahead of the narrative that it's a bad idea, and so will be attended by a smattering of friendly dev commentary about why it's not a problem at all etc. etc.

Announcing it at the eleventh hour with pricing might leave too little time before launch to try to 'wash out' the effects of any negative commentary/perception around it.

 

[AegonSnake]

If it's 4 tflops then RDNA 2.0 performance improvements must be around 25% over RDNA 1.0. This 4 tflops GPU must be able to run all xbox one x games at the same resolution. Which means it needs to match 6 tflops of Polaris performance. RDNA 1.0 cards are only around 25% more powerful per flop which gets us to 5 polaris tflops.

this is really good news for RDNA 2.0. That would make the 12 tflops series x offer 3x the performance of an x1x. or 18 polaris tflops. And over 20 tflops of GCN 1.0 performance.

Amazing.

 

[tapedeck]

i think lockhart has the (obvious) potential to reach a bigger, mass market on day 1, but ALSO to be an attractive 2nd device for the hardcore. IF it works as *advertised, its a great plan

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I hate the idea of Lockhart...that said as a 'secondary' console for like the kids room or just a spot with small tv I actually kind of get it.

Crazy thought, what if MS has some kind of 'bundle' incentive..like Lockhart is normally $299 but if you purchase it along with your Series X you get it for $199? That sure would move some units fast.

 

[Heidern]

If you are referring to weird / difficult to really use feature (touchscreen of DS 4 for exemple), yes.
Adaptative trigger, if easy to use, can be a feature dev liked. If they liked it they will probably used it.

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I wonder if they will add features at the OS level for controller customization that would allow us to adjust this directly, especially if the developers choose not to.

 

[Tappin Brews]

My guess: it'd be done now to try to get ahead of the narrative that it's a bad idea, and so will be attended by a smattering of dev commentary about why it's not a problem at all etc. etc.

Announcing it at the eleventh hour with pricing might leave too little time before launch to try to 'wash out' the effects of any negative commentary/perception around it.

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i definitely expect MS to work with DF to show off games running on both consoles in the lead up to launch - but after e3 when they shown the games at their best (on series x)

 

[Tappin Brews]

I hate the idea of Lockhart...that said as a 'secondary' console for like the kids room or just a spot with small tv I actually kind of get it.

Crazy thought, what if MS has some kind of 'bundle' incentive..like Lockhart is normally $299 but if you purchase it along with your Series X you get it for $199? That sure would move some units fast.

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it sure would. craigslist would be flooded with brand new, "dsicounted", $249 lockharts :D

but other than that, i dont think that would sell well and certainly wouldnt expect it

 

[OG_Thrills]

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[Deleted member 62280]

Don't care for? Think you are under selling that a bit

Windows Central Journo Telling People to Follow Homophobic Toxic Gamer

I'm really surprised to see Jez Corden telling people to follow Dealer Gaming. For those of you who are unaware, Dealer has been one of the most toxic gamers in the community. He literally did a video calling Playstation users F@gs and talking about their mothers. Why in the hell would a well...

www.resetera.com

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good lord that thread. Yeah I undersold it on purpose I don't want to start a shitstorm of arguments

You sure about that? Pretty sure dealer knows about as much as the rest of us. Besides the fact he is a toxic rabid fanboy.

Tom Warren said 12 TF back in November 2019.

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yes I'm sure. Dealer essentially outlined the December Win Central article before it even released like I said I'm pretty sure he's getting info from somewhere and he wouldn't have guests like Ybarra, Blackley, and other MS Xbox staff on his podcast Without at least having contact with MS marketing or them personally. Do I think his word should be gospel...no I'm just saying I think he knows more about Xbox plans than we do it for any other reason his ability to have MS people in his comment section on the reg (Ybarra) and his video about XSX before Windows Central launched their article.

ultimately I still say wait for confirmation but Jez for sure like Tom Warren knows things and there is enough smoke to deduce that something will be discussed in the near future.

 

[The Pet of the Month]

i think lockhart has the (obvious) potential to reach a bigger, mass market on day 1, but ALSO to be an attractive 2nd device for the hardcore. IF it works as *advertised, its a great plan

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I kinda hope it has a disc drive. I've heard folks say otherwise :/ It'll be the perfect cheap console for next-gen IMO

 

[Axel Stone]

If thats the case I actually just don't see a reason why I'd want this instead of an Xbox One X considering they're the same price (presumambly the XBX is just going to be $299 till the end of the year at this rate). Like Lockheart seems like a compromised device then.

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Because the only thing that the XOX can offer that Lockhart can't is a disk drive and Lockhart will be equivalent (GPU) it far superior (CPU, SSD) in every other way, and won't see support start to dry up by 2022 or so.

 

[darkside]

Because the only thing that the XOX can offer that Lockhart can't is a disk drive and Lockhart will be equivalent (GPU) it far superior (CPU, SSD) in every other way, and won't see support start to dry up by 2022 or so.

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The post I was replying to was saying that Xbox One games would look better on an X than a Lockhart.

I feel like thats just a non starter for a device like this. It's literally a downgrade in certain regards if thats true. It has to play Xbox One games at the same level of an X.

 

[Tappin Brews]

I kinda hope it has a disc drive. I've heard folks say otherwise :/ It'll be the perfect cheap console for next-gen IMO

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it seems to me that it would be a given to have a disc drive, for physical media and multimedia. if any segment of the market would be savvy enough and willing to go all digital, i'd think it would be the hardcore.

 

[Aliand]

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I fully agree. We should be more aware and responsible as a community.

 

[Axel Stone]

The post I was replying to was saying that Xbox One games would look better on an X than a Lockhart.

I feel like thats just a non starter for a device like this. It's literally a downgrade in certain regards if thats true. It has to play Xbox One games at the same level of an X.

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Apologies, missed that. But I don't believe it's true, I reckon even with equivalent GPU power, the back compat team will be wringing some extra shinies out of previous-gen games.

 

[Axel Stone]

it seems to me that it would be a given to have a disc drive, for physical media and multimedia. if any segment of the market would be savvy enough and willing to go all digital, i'd think it would be the hardcore.

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I think Microsoft is banking on the idea of physical media dying off to cut the drive and hit their price point.

I don't feel like that's a bad bet either, but time will tell.

 

[CelestialAtom]

Does anybody have a link to Shinobi's tweet? I was looking through his page, but not finding anything that stood out from the past 3 days.

 

[TheUnseenTheUnheard]

Me when lockhart is revealed:

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member 62280]

The fact that his content is allowed to be posted anywhere on Restera is truly stunning to me.

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Not an excuse but I think he has apologized for those remarks. I think no matter how you feel personally about someone's orientation it's never acceptable to use homophobic slurs. I do see your point however and agree that it should only be posted here once it's corroborated by a journalist.

 

[Bradbatross]

Does anybody have a link to Shinobi's tweet? I was looking through his page, but not finding anything that stood out from the past 3 days.

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Next time we get new stuff should be fun.

Week ten into the year now, looking forward to what else is in store.

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Don't lock yourselves into thinking one way. I mean Lionhead Studios? Oh dear lol.

Anyway, I don't have the heart to tease further.

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[Hawk269]

If Lockhart turns out to be exactly what's been rumored it will have far better performance than the PS4 Pro and the One X. I think that's all that matters for an entry level system. As long as they price is right, of course.

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Exactly. A 4TF Next Gen CPU is going to be much more efficient and capable versus the 6TF GPU in the "X". The biggest thing will be the CPU in the Series S, that alone will be the big game changer pairing it with a next gen 4tf GPU. It would easily run circles around the PRO/X. I think if everything is true is that Lock is designed to be 1080p and some cases perhaps 1440p at the max with good frame rates. I would think that depending on what effects they turn on that most games will be 1080p, which for an entry level next gen system is really good depending on the price of the unit.

 

[meenseen84]

If it's 4 tflops then RDNA 2.0 performance improvements must be around 25% over RDNA 1.0. This 4 tflops GPU must be able to run all xbox one x games at the same resolution. Which means it needs to match 6 tflops of Polaris performance. RDNA 1.0 cards are only around 25% more powerful per flop which gets us to 5 polaris tflops.

this is really good news for RDNA 2.0. That would make the 12 tflops series x offer 3x the performance of an x1x. or 18 polaris tflops. And over 20 tflops of GCN 1.0 performance.

Amazing.

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Or maybe it just plays Xbox One S versions of games. I hope you are right but I am guessing against it. You will still get the SSD, stable framerates, and dynamic scaling.

 

[StrykerIsland]

Are these guys legit? Insomniac follows them...

 

[CelestialAtom]

You are amazing. Thank you so much!

 

[sleepr]

Are these guys legit? Insomniac follows them...

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No.

 

[Deep Friar]

People are falsely using PS4 Pro vs X power as the expectation for what will happen for Sony's next gen console.

It's flawed. Sony has always highly prioritized power at the start of a new gen. They didn't go all out on the Pro because it wasn't a new gen.

Cerny has always said 6-8X leap is required between gens. That's a minimum of 11 TF

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Bingo.

 

[III-V]

wouldn't have guests like Ybarra, Blackley, and other MS Xbox staff on his podcast Without at least having contact with MS marketing or them personally. Do I think his word should be gospel...no I'm just saying I think he knows more about Xbox plans than we do it for any other reason his ability to have MS people in his comment section on the reg (Ybarra) and his video about XSX before Windows Central launched their article.

ultimately I still say wait for confirmation but Jez for sure like Tom Warren knows things and there is enough smoke to deduce that something will be discussed in the near future.

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Can you show me what he said in December? Cause I am almost certain it had already been known.

 

[Betty]

I don't think scarcity was mentioned as the reason.

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Citing 'people with knowledge of the matter,' Bloomberg says a scarcity of components is pushing up the price.

 

[Deleted member 62280]

Can you show me what he said in December? Cause I am almost certain it had already been known.

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I'll PM you the vid so that neither of us are derailing give me a bit I'm at work and on the phone.

 

[DCBA]

If Sony wants to delay communication then I'll just delay my purchase, no biggie.

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Series X isn't up for preorder either... No chance to delay a purchase when there is nothing to purchase.

 

[Axel Stone]

Or maybe it just plays Xbox One S versions of games. I hope you are right but I am guessing against it. You will still get the SSD, stable framerates, and dynamic scaling.

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The One didn't simply run 360 and OG Xbox games as they existed before, I'm not sure why you'd presume that Lockhart would simply run XOS games without any extras.

 

[m23]

Or maybe it just plays Xbox One S versions of games. I hope you are right but I am guessing against it. You will still get the SSD, stable framerates, and dynamic scaling.

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That wouldn't make any sense since the Lockhart has a next gen CPU, GPU as well as the SSD. It seems like a next gen console, but with a much weaker GPU.

If you're talking about BC games, I think it should easily handle Xbone X versions.

 

[greetdeath]

I have no reason to doubt windows central but to the lay person, hearing that one box is 12TF and the other is 4TF...or even 6TF, which would match the Xbox One X, without showing evidence that it could handle next-gen games seems like a hard thing to do.

 

[Axel Stone]

But yes, I do think that Lockhart will likely be running games at 1080p not 4K. From a marketing and messaging perspective, I think doing some stuff at 4K and some at 1080p would just be unnecessarily confusing. I do expect the back compat team to work a bit of magic on those One games, however.

 

[CelestialAtom]

Are these guys legit? Insomniac follows them...

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He is some YouTuber with only 31k subscribers and just comments on rumor, gossip and news. I wouldn't trust any nonsense coming from them.

 

[Deleted member 1589]

Are these guys legit? Insomniac follows them...

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[Xbox FanFest]

Lots of smoke last couple days regarding Xbox. I think we will get something within the next week and I still think Xbox May be discussed tonight at AMD's FAD. First Dealer this morning and Jez as well reminds me of when they discussed the 12Tf stuff in December dealer posted first then Jez had the Win Central article up not long after.

I'm aware some here don't care for dealer but there is no denying someone is feeding him information whether that be a journalist or someone within MS idk. I still think grain of salt is important when discussing any of these things as anything outside of official communication is rumor and speculation.

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Why don't people here like dealer? He gets good info and does a good show. And you're right. There is lots of smoke.

 

[gofreak]

Just a by the by, but an English version of the SSD-related patent discussed here has been filed at the US patent office:

INFORMATION PROCESSING APPARATUS AND MEMORY ACCESS METHOD

Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.

www.freepatentsonline.com

 

[Gdourado]

If ps5 is actually delayed to 2021 due to Corona Virus, do you think Sony will try to bump some specs?

 

[JahIthBer]

If it's 4 tflops then RDNA 2.0 performance improvements must be around 25% over RDNA 1.0. This 4 tflops GPU must be able to run all xbox one x games at the same resolution. Which means it needs to match 6 tflops of Polaris performance. RDNA 1.0 cards are only around 25% more powerful per flop which gets us to 5 polaris tflops.

this is really good news for RDNA 2.0. That would make the 12 tflops series x offer 3x the performance of an x1x. or 18 polaris tflops. And over 20 tflops of GCN 1.0 performance.

Amazing.

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I really don't get where this RDNA 2.0 is 25% over 1.0 comes from, even new architecture with node shrinks don't get those gains sometimes.

 

[WordsintheWater]

The uncle of the dad of a friend from work, told me the same :)

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Well then that changes things haha

 

[MrKlaw]

ive seen a lot of sony posters here saying just that.

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I can see the value although I personally don't want a 1080p box. I don't play a ton on Xbox but have gamepass and a good 4k TV so would just buy the more expensive box.

My son literally wants an Xbox for university as a 'FIFA box' (his words). Would be almost tempting to get a lockhart as he could presumably share my gamepass access and it wouldn't be super expensive (and he'd be running on a small 1080p TV/monitor)

 

[dabri]

If ps5 is actually delayed to 2021 due to Corona Virus, do you think Sony will try to bump some specs?

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No.

 

[TheRealTalker]

If ps5 is actually delayed to 2021 due to Corona Virus, do you think Sony will try to bump some specs?

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it's too late to change anything

plus we don't evne know what the PS5 specs even are to warrant the question if Sony would try and to bump or need to bump them

 

[meenseen84]

The One didn't simply run 360 and OG Xbox games as they existed before, I'm not sure why you'd presume that Lockhart would simply run XOS games without any extras.

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It will run extras, which is almost guaranteed, but I am saying I don't know if it will run Xbox One X versions of the games where you get 4k. I would bet new games or games that are patched will run higher than 1080p but for back compat games I don't know if that will be the case.