Pretty similar, with a large current of users vastly underestimating the consoles and some fringe users vastly overestimating.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Pretty similar, with a large current of users vastly underestimating the consoles and some fringe users vastly overestimating.
In practice it means the exact same thing as what lay-people have been calling "texture resolution" all this time -- "how pixelated or blurry do the textures look?"
Detailed explanation:
"Texel" means texture pixel. When people say "Texel Density" they are referring to how many texture pixels per unit of the surface the pixels are on.
So like, a 4096x4096 texture is big, and if it was displayed full size on your 4k screen it'd be bigger than the whole screen -- but if it's stretched out along a 1 mile square terrain, it starts to look extremely blurry. That's "low texel density". Just the same, a 128x128 pixel texture is very small (I think quake 3 characters used this size, or bigger) -- but if one is used to texture a cigarette butt on the ground, it would have dozens of texture pixels per each pixel rendering on the screen. That's high texel density.
Artists and programmers have been saying this forever (at least 15 years), console manufacturers just now picked it up as a marketing term.
lol just like this gen and the next 10 generations, nothing changes.
Which one ? If I remember correctly devs were talking about texel density not console manufacurers.
About the same. But the math was more outlandish. And there was also really weird speculation about other technical aspects like audio chips, rumble motors, Kinect/camera stuff.
BELIEVE
54 [email protected] GHz 14 TFlops
Power VR ray tracing
HBM2E 16GB@820GB/s + DDR4 [email protected]/s
SSD 5.5 GB/s x 3 times compression
THIS WILL BE ACHIEVABLE with RDNA2 and V-shaped case.
So what if you've got a 7% faster CPU for slightly smoother 3D graphics. You can't even do hardware scrolling.. We've got a Blitter chip as our secret sauce and our chips have funny names.
I thought it was on a "upcoming features" image recently, but maybe that was an enthusiast pulling from developer quotes rather than official marketing.
Yeah probably because of the architecture change, i wouldn't be surprised if some crazy numbers were the norm back then.
Sorry if I wasn't clear (i'm not native english speaker).
I'm only talking about the API.
- DXR API is a tech from Microsoff
Does Sony need to paid for it?
Even Nvidia use this technologie (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-gtx-ray-tracing-coming-soon/) and it can be easier for all devs to have the same one everywhere (for us too, as gamers).
- Or Sony can still use their own RT API
Or something based on Vukan API (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9omGfxRlQsg this one looks a bit better than DXR)
Last gen was pretty wild. I'm just saying "ESRAM" aka Secret Sauce.
When questioned if the XSX was RDNA2 he answered with "Nope".
Tim Sweeney was quoted as saying 2.5 teraflops was needed to run the Samaritan demo, so "2.5 teraflops" was latched on to as "the number" needed to truly get a next-gen experience.
The announcement of consoles having 1.8 teraflops, and especially 1.3 teraflops went over about as well as you can imagine.
Nvidia and AMD use DX because they're primarily put into windows boxes. Qualcomm and ARM pay to license it because they want windows devices on their hardware. Sony doesn't pay for it because they'll just make their own API based on opensourced API (like Vulkan and OpenGL)
54 [email protected] GHz 14 TFlops
Power VR ray tracing
HBM2E 16GB@820GB/s + DDR4 [email protected]/s
SSD 5.5 GB/s x 3 times compression
We don't know about HBM2E. It is likely that the contract price is close to 16 GB GDDR6.
Total BOM under $500.
I don't think that's happening. PS5 will be +/- 1 TF. Aka 11 to 13 TF.
PowerVR ray tracing also sounds like it needs to be cut.
Biggest difference here should be SSD
And if we didn't had the weird never-seen-before mid gen update, the jump in power and features between the two generations would have been stupidly mindboggling.
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damn someone should have saved it. Trying to cover his tracks.
Nah.
First, if you have a 54CU chip on RDNA 2 as I assume you are assuming, then you don't need PowerVR. The additional CUs are there to support RT. Separate PowerVR only makes sense if you are using less CUs on the GPU and offloading the RT.
Second, this GPU is unrealistic. Would burn a hole in the floor with that many CUs and speed. You don't go wide and fast.
Third, 14TF plus RT separate is way beyond a console form factor.
Fourth, HBM2E is possible but unlikely. If you are betting on all the other parts you wouldn't also bet on HBM2E.
This entire console (if possible) would run for a BOM of like $750. Its a dream that would ruin Sony just like the PS3 almost did.
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Since this seems to be allowed, I will bite.
I would love to see which insider said XBox Series X is more powerful and got harassed. IIRC, Matt said he thought Xbox was going to be more powerful and no one said a single word. More recently odium and another insider who i wont name both said Xbox had more tflops and no one worked to discredit them.
As for hmgqq, everyone's mostly been saying that things change, not that hes completely unreliable. And I agree, hes just passing information and his information is likely outdated. whats interesting is that hmgqq was not discredited for saying xbox was more powerful.
i will say that the anti github folks like myself are a bit sick of the github theories, but that doesnt mean we are going after insiders either. we discuss them with other forum members to discredit the github leaks, but its never against insiders like you made it out to be.
I would be extremely surprised if the PS5 was built around HBM, even if they could get HBM2E down to "close to the price" of GDDR.
A major ethos of Cerny-era PS hardware is avoiding exotic or esoteric technologies in favor of common technologies that are made by a multitude of vendors that have a clear path toward reducing in price. HBM just hasn't had that scale yet.
A major ethos of Cerny-era PS hardware is avoiding exotic or esoteric technologies in favor of common technologies that are made by a multitude of vendors that have a clear path toward reducing in price. HBM just hasn't had that scale yet.
I'd totally agree with this if the threat of Lockhart didn't exist.
While the frustration you and others experience right now is somewhat understandable, it's still coming from a place of entitlement and it's okay to acknowledge that. It's always fun to be informed and it's a good thing to seek knowledge about the things you wanna spend your money on, but Sony not saying anything right now literally doesn't matter. Them being quite right now cannot influence your purchasing decision because there's no way to make an actual decision at this moment in time. You talk about wanting to give them money when you don't even know the launch line-up. You can't buy or even pre-order the PS5 or Xbox Series X yet. So, what's the rush?
honestly I think education is more of a threat at the moment
Yes, I think sony will have custom API, but I don't think they had RT hardware in July last year.
Speaking of education, I'd love some knowledge. Hey Dictator , have you given any thoughts to my suggestion?
I know Imagination has had RT hardware for a long while but that was when they still got money from Apple. What makes people think their stuff is as performant as AMD's solution, which would be based around making DXR work?
They would need to also reduce the memory and CPU clocks.
I can save myself the time and just speak rationally about it without testing. Like almost any game on PC, it scales its performance based on resolution well. Not 100% perfect, but very well.
that is how GPUs are sold on PC anyway. Pretty rare to see an ultra low end GPU with the same GPU memory as one with 3x its shading power.
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I hate to break it to you, but the only way MS can "win" is if their exclusive titles can get to the level of Sony's first party. Even PS3 "won" when releasing later and way more expensive. And are you forgetting BC with PS4 and PS4 being one of the most succesful consoles in history? In fact, it's the second best selling home console of all time, behind the PS2. Sony has a HUGE advantage going into next gen. PS4 people immediately have access to their PS4 library and newcomers immediately have access to an insane library of PS4 exclusives and multiplatform titles. I dare to say this alone will guarantee at least 75 million sold units if Sony's software stays on par with this gen (and I'm being careful with that prediction). Only X360 surpassed that number.
Interesting, can't wait to see what the secret sauce is this time around.
Holy shit that must've been a bloodbath, thanks Sweeney.
We just had 2 pages of high level posting because hmqgg got something wrong. Not that I think he's got it all right mind you. We will get games soon and I can't wait! Beautiful, amazing games on cartridge fast loading consoles.
That's kind of a disappointing answer. Star Citizen is literally the only game I can think of that isn't designed for 7yo hardware, and hearing "well", "very well", and "not 100% perfect" doesn't tell me much of anything. And I'm pretty sure Expy was talking about main memory and they specifically said CPU speeds, which are other rumoured Lockhart cuts.
I still don't buy that a developer can build a game 100% for the 12TF XSX in mind and have it run on a 3x weaker GPU, with reduced memory and CPU speeds on top of that, by only lowering the resolution. I'd dying for someone to prove this could actually work.
He's been claiming that Lockhart is flat. Whether that is Server Blades, Surface or an actual console is unknown.
Any hype train that I can jump on this week? March 10th, what about March 12th? Next week? C'mon, I'm addicted to the highs and lows of hype and disappointment. Give me something to cling on to!
I cannot just drop all my work to work on something and take away my time to satisfy the curiosity of everyone in this thread. Wait, just a handful of people in this thread.
Man my house will probably never see a lock. Give me the powerful versions all day. I'm the guy that had the Genesis, SegaCD, 32x combo.
If you want/need to developp your own RT API, will you need to test it with your hardware?
Of course, answer is "yes", but "when"/how long do you need to do it if you want to have some games ready and optimized at the release of your new device?
And how long do you need to developp an API like this?
Real questions as it is not my domain (I'm using lot of APIs at work, but only as user, not dev).
That's amazing! I really think next gen is gonna blow our minds and that the leap is gonna be bigger than we once believed
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