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upinsmoke

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Oct 26, 2017
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Personally looking forward to the launch games rather than which console is marginally faster/more powerful. This stuff interested me in the mid 2000's but it's less and less important and interesting to me now.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The problem I have with this kind of leaks can be summed up with "How in hell would someone know ALL of that?"
If you are a leaker (let's say a dev working at one of the companies), there is no way you would know about all the other games at the conference.
You're telling me there's someone over there that knows the tech inside the console, each one of the games that will be shown at the conference and even the details of the trailers? That must be an executive at PlayStation, if they even have all those details already.
Leaker is Geoff confirmed.
 

Tovarisc

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Oct 25, 2017
24,440
FIN
If PS5 is 12 TFs they should thank github and Digital Foundry on stage for set up for the reveal.

What flops it even counts? Whole APU, just GPU part..?

Also does bit about "headset with full ray traced audio support" make any sense to anyone? Why in hell you would need special headset for hearing proper space audio?

You don't
 

dgrdsv

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,886
One of the few things DF dropped the ball on. Don't remember who it was, maybe GN, but they had DLSS as one of the biggest fails of 2019.
DLSS is anything but a fail at this point and it will continue improving, GN don't know what they're babbling about. You can't claim that a tech is a fail based on its early implementations completely ignoring the improvements it got in the latest iterations.
CBR is more or less dead, next gen will mostly use things like TAA injection/upscaling while PC h/w with dedicated ML silicon will continue to use things like DLSS.
 
Aug 26, 2019
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The problem I have with this kind of leaks can be summed up with "How in hell would someone know ALL of that?"
If you are a leaker (let's say a dev working at one of the companies), there is no way you would know about all the other games at the conference.
You're telling me there's someone over there that knows the tech inside the console, each one of the games that will be shown at the conference and even the details of the trailers? That must be an executive at PlayStation, if they even have all those details already.
ntkrnl

That's never happening again, but it isn't unprecedented.

Dude leaked the entire MS E3 2014 conference in February.
 

score01

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,701
The problem I have with this kind of leaks can be summed up with "How in hell would someone know ALL of that?"
If you are a leaker (let's say a dev working at one of the companies), there is no way you would know about all the other games at the conference.
You're telling me there's someone over there that knows the tech inside the console, each one of the games that will be shown at the conference and even the details of the trailers? That must be an executive at PlayStation, if they even have all those details already.

Geoff. Geoff would know. He' clearly the leaker.

On a more serious note, no Knack3 is the reason I distrust that leak.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,645
Overall the leak feelslike someone amalgamated that PS5 fan design with the cartridges, existing rumours (and some recent posts from GAF), Geoff K tweet etc, to make their own leak...

But, hypothetically, if the ssd cartridge shit was real, I would rather they just bundled the console and cartridges as discrete units.

The first thing I'd do is swap the 1TB unit out with a larger one, so I'd rather just get a console+ssd at point of sale (than be forced to buy a 1tb unit I'd have no intention of using)
 

Thera

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Feb 28, 2019
12,876
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as usual for any rumors take with grain of salt:

from redit:


The event:

-The event will be held at the Sony hall theatre on the 12th of February. Expect a short teaser to come out in the next two weeks.

-The press already knows about it and they will be able to test games and write articles. There will be a lot of news and iterviews with key figures like Mark Cerny and Hermen Hulst.

-The event will be presented by Geoff Keighley and it will be a very big show. After all you have to consider that Sony has been quiet for quite sometime now.

-Sony's strategy has been that not to reveal everything in one shot. Things like price, launch date and shape of the console will still be unknown after the PS meeting.

Specs:

-CPU: 8 core/16 threads at 3.6 ghz based on a Zen 2 architecture

-GPU: "Big Navi"/RDNA1 based with some features from RDNA2 like RT and VRS, 12.2 TF at 1.8 ghz

-Memory: 18GB DDR6 at 576gb/s and 4gb of DDR4 for the OS (Sorry HBM believers)

-1 TB SSD. The SSD is a proprietary solution similar to a cartridge and you will be able to purchase them separately in a way similar to an old memory card from the PS2 era(1tb, 2tb and 3 tb variants). It is very fast: 5gb/s

-It has a separate RT core just for the audio, this is something that Cerny and the audio people at Sony (Audiokinetic) insisted on. A new headphones will be made from Sony, specifically designed for the ray traced audio in PS5 games.

-Overall, the PS5 is a much more balanced machine than the PS4 pro. This is much more important than just brute force as devs will be able squeeze much much more from the hardware.

Games:

-First game announced for the PS5 will be from Bluepoint, Demon's Souls.

The trailer will start with a dragon flying through the ruins of an ancient city before landing on a bridge destroying part of it, the camera will then move to a character in a knight armor. The dragon will spit fire at the knight that will be parrying it with his shield.

The trailer ends with a voice saying "The old one is calling for thee" revealing the Demon's souls logo, available at launch.

Very impressive tech on showcase:, RT reflection all over the knight's armor

-Ubisoft will announce their new AC title, Assasin's Creed: Kingdom. As you already know it is set in northern europe with historical and mythological elements. The trailer is not really a trailer but a long gameplay (10+ mins).

The game focuses on being a better RPG than its predecessors with multiple endings and more meaningful choices for better roleplay. Immersion is also a big focus, Ubisoft has created a believable world based on the kingdom of Ragnar Sigurdsson (better known as Lothbrok) as king of Denmark.

NPCs have realistic routines and behaviours based on multiple situations they can be found in (finding shelter from the rain, fleeing their village after a raid from enemy soldiers are some examples).

All animations have been enhanced. Now the main character (male or female like in Odyssey) moves differently based on the enviroments they are in. Animations are really similar to something you can find in a ND game with the character touching the wall at their side if they get to close it or struggling to walk through snow or mud.

As many other games, AC:Kingdom will use the haptic triggers to simulate the action of pulling the rope of a bow or swinging an heavy weapon.

There are levels, but they are handled like in Skyrim or Kingdom come where you don't require a certain level to enter an area or fight a boss. Here you can access the whole world from the start and fight all the enemies, of course it will be very hard because your character will be very unexperienced and at first they will handle certain weapons with struggle, it will get better the more they use them.

I got mentioned something about ray tracing being used to eliminate clipping of the various clothes on the character's bodies, but I don't know anything other than it may be a thing on the next gen versions of the game.

Available at launch, but after the current gen versions.

-Gran Turismo 7 will be announced featuring full VR and RT support, native 4k and 60 fps. It will be a technical showcase for the console. Available at launch.

It features a single player carreer like the old GT games and a multiplayer mode similar to the sport mode in GT sport. The partnership with the FIA continues and the one with Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes becomes even stronger (Lewis and the Mercedes brand are on the cover of the game and a big part of the single player carreer).

-New R&C game announced from Insomniac. Full RT support and sequel to the remake, but part of a new trilogy. Semi-open world with pilotable ships. It looks even more like a Pixar movie, this time on a way bigger scale. Available in 2021

-Capcom will show a demo of their updated RE engine and announce Dragon's Dogma 2 exclusively on the PS5. Deep Down was not all to waste and Capcom wisely decided to build upon it and create this new DD. It's a really impressive game technically. Full open world with fights and monsters similar to a Monster Hunter game. It will run at 60 fps on PS5.

It's unclear if the exclusivity deal has a limit or not. I'm willing to bet it will come out on Xbox Series X/S after a while

-Shuhei Yoshida will showcase lots of indies coming to PS4 and PS5 as part of the new "PS❤Indies" intiative at SIE. Games such as: Sky:children of the light, Inaka project, a new game from Jonathan Blow, Lost Soul aside and the new game from Ken Levine studio (not really an indie, but it will still be present in this short segment).

-TLOU: Factions will be revealed, coming to PS4, PS5 and PC these holidays. It is a multiplayer only title made to replace the "Factions" mode of the original TLOU. It features an open world similar to games like DayZ, but with the love and care that you can expect expect from a team like ND.

It will feature: different seasons like Forza Horizon 4 (each will come with its pros and cons), clan support, a battle pass, a fully destructible map, lots of depth for roleplay (players will be able to cover various roles in their games: doctors, bounty hunters, traders, mercenaries for the various groups of players, soldiers ecc.), the players will be able to build camps and even "addomesticate" clickers and runners. 4k/60 with RT audio on PS5 and 1080 30 on PS4/pro. Cross play is being experimented (the difference in framerate may be an issue).

-Sony reveals a new team based in San Diego and their new game, Uncharted. A sequel to U4, but with different characters and a few cameos from the old games. Just a teaser will be shown featuring exotic locations from all around the world and glimpses at veichles both aerial and terrestrial. No release date given.

-Activision announces Crash Bandicoot:worlds on PS4 and PS5 for then end of the year (think Mario galaxy, but with Crash Bandiccot) and confirms that COD will be back at the end of the year on PS5 and in partnership with PS once again.

-Square Enix shows an impressive tech demo of a new version of the luminous engine featuring RT shadows, reflections and lighting along with 4k textures and realistic facial animations. Very reminiscent of the aestethic you can find in a FF game, but no real announcement is made (for now).

-Guerilla announces Killzone: Breach. A mp only title for PS5 and PC. The influence from games like R6 can be seen a lot during the trailer. Full destructible enviroment and a "War" mode that features up to 80 players in a fully destructible arena (Remember that first Crackdown 3 demo?). Available at launch.

-Mark Cerny announces full backwards compatibility with PS4/3/2/1/VR and that PS Vita and PSP are in the works. The PS4/2/1 whole lineup will be fully compatible from launch. As for PS3 games, they will be made compatible regularly by Sony in a way similar to how Xbox already does it on Xbox One with 360 games. All the games will receive technical enhancments like 4k resolution, better AA and 60 fps. Demos for TLOU 2, RDR1, Jak 2 and the original GT are shown briefly.

-Last announcement will be a small teaser with in-game graphics of Horizon 2. The teaser shows an older Aloy meditating on the top of a Mountain before being attacked by a huge machine and hijacking a thunderbird in order to ride it and fly around the huge machine to fight it. 2021

-Please note that all games that I've listed are exclusive to the PS5 unless I've said otherwise.

-Don't expect any PSVR2 news. VR will be mentioned as you can see, but it is still a bit early for PSVR2.
That's not the worst for a fanboy whish list. But too many first party studio titles. The MP mode of TLoU at launch? Nope.
 

Dust

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Oct 25, 2017
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The more details, the less credible it is usually.
Remember Bloodborne leak on 4chan?
"Trailer has sword in stone, guy walking with a gun, PS4 only" and dumped some screens.

A wall of text is most likely fanfiction.
 

Philippo

Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
7,919
The more details, the less credible it is usually.
Remember Bloodborne leak on 4chan?
"Trailer has sword in stone, guy walking with a gun, PS4 only" and dumped some screens.

A wall of text is most likely fanfiction.

Yeah, especially when it covers a lot of topics.
Like, who the hell knows everything about specs, launch line-up, announcements, and even "deals"? The number of people is very little for so much knowledge...
 

Dust

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Yeah, especially when it covers a lot of topics.
Like, who the hell knows everything about specs, launch line-up, announcements, and even "deals"? The number of people is very little for so much knowledge...
Literally Cerny, Ryan or Hulst tier so close to zero these people post online.
There can be leaks from one sector (like just specs or one game in development) but everything?
 

sleepr

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Everything in that leak sounds perfect, so yeah not happening.
 

BreakAtmo

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Honestly, I really do hope we see some older games enhanced with RT. Like, given how a PS4 Pro can run Dark Souls Remastered at reconstructed 1800p 60fps, I would think the PS5 could absolutely bump that to reconstructed 4K 60fps (40% resolution increase) and then just use all the rest of the GPU power and RT acceleration for full RT GI, reflections, etc.
 

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One of the few things DF dropped the ball on. Don't remember who it was, maybe GN, but they had DLSS as one of the biggest fails of 2019.
That GN video is based on an old implementation of DLSS. The new implementations in wolfenstein and deliver us to the moon are leagues above that, which makes sense because the deep learning model learns over time.

It's always sad to see people disregarding cool tech because they judge it so early.
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also does bit about "headset with full ray traced audio support" make any sense to anyone? Why in hell you would need special headset for hearing proper space audio?

You don't
That part stuck out to me as well, but perhaps it could have and make use of an array of fine speakers and sophisticated drivers.
 

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these fake leaks aren't even trying, smh

where is a claim of dark souls 2 being redone with the original lightning + rt shadows

that is what gamers want
 

Philippo

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Oct 28, 2017
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Literally Cerny, Ryan or Hulst tier so close to zero these people post online.
There can be leaks from one sector (like just specs or one game in development) but everything?

Exactly.
I guess the most possible would be some intern/assistant who is preparing slides/schedule for the PS Meeting, but even then the chances are so low.
 

Minthara

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Literally Cerny, Ryan or Hulst tier so close to zero these people post online.
There can be leaks from one sector (like just specs or one game in development) but everything?

Not that I believe this rumor at all but in my experience the marketing team would have access to all of this info well in advance of an event like PlayStation Meeting since they would have to make and approve/design presentations, videos, design the flow of the show and plan marketing collateral such as emails, handouts, etc.

So it is likely that the team handling the marketing for the PS5 knows a lot about it, if not everything planned.

That does not mean this rumor is believable though :)
 
Aug 26, 2019
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Not that I believe this rumor at all but in my experience the marketing team would have access to all of this info well in advance of an event like PlayStation Meeting since they would have to make and approve/design presentations, videos, design the flow of the show and plan marketing collateral such as emails, handouts, etc.

So it is likely that the team handling the marketing for the PS5 knows a lot about it, if not everything planned.

That does not mean this rumor is believable though :)
What if they're doing a dripfeed marketing approach to prevent a massive leak? Revealing info on a continuous monthly basis rather than one big event. The marketing team gets info on an "as-needed" basis.
 

Dust

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Not that I believe this rumor at all but in my experience the marketing team would have access to all of this info well in advance of an event like PlayStation Meeting since they would have to make and approve/design presentations, videos, design the flow of the show and plan marketing collateral such as emails, handouts, etc.

So it is likely that the team handling the marketing for the PS5 knows a lot about it, if not everything planned.

That does not mean this rumor is believable though :)
I always assumed a lot of that was with generic placeholder items and updated only shortly before presentation.
XSX was a genuine surprise for everyone.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
9,399
I always assumed a lot of that was with generic placeholder items and updated only shortly before presentation.
XSX was a genuine surprise for everyone.
you can not have the whole 2 hour show as place holders, can you ? otherwise how the hell event planner know how to make the event coherent and make it flow naturally ?few details like 10 15 min yes . but not the whole show
 

Papacheeks

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Oct 27, 2017
5,620
Watertown, NY
as usual for any rumors take with grain of salt:

from redit:


The event:

-The event will be held at the Sony hall theatre on the 12th of February. Expect a short teaser to come out in the next two weeks.

-The press already knows about it and they will be able to test games and write articles. There will be a lot of news and iterviews with key figures like Mark Cerny and Hermen Hulst.

-The event will be presented by Geoff Keighley and it will be a very big show. After all you have to consider that Sony has been quiet for quite sometime now.

-Sony's strategy has been that not to reveal everything in one shot. Things like price, launch date and shape of the console will still be unknown after the PS meeting.

Specs:

-CPU: 8 core/16 threads at 3.6 ghz based on a Zen 2 architecture

-GPU: "Big Navi"/RDNA1 based with some features from RDNA2 like RT and VRS, 12.2 TF at 1.8 ghz

-Memory: 18GB DDR6 at 576gb/s and 4gb of DDR4 for the OS (Sorry HBM believers)

-1 TB SSD. The SSD is a proprietary solution similar to a cartridge and you will be able to purchase them separately in a way similar to an old memory card from the PS2 era(1tb, 2tb and 3 tb variants). It is very fast: 5gb/s

-It has a separate RT core just for the audio, this is something that Cerny and the audio people at Sony (Audiokinetic) insisted on. A new headphones will be made from Sony, specifically designed for the ray traced audio in PS5 games.

-Overall, the PS5 is a much more balanced machine than the PS4 pro. This is much more important than just brute force as devs will be able squeeze much much more from the hardware.

Games:

-First game announced for the PS5 will be from Bluepoint, Demon's Souls.

The trailer will start with a dragon flying through the ruins of an ancient city before landing on a bridge destroying part of it, the camera will then move to a character in a knight armor. The dragon will spit fire at the knight that will be parrying it with his shield.

The trailer ends with a voice saying "The old one is calling for thee" revealing the Demon's souls logo, available at launch.

Very impressive tech on showcase:, RT reflection all over the knight's armor

-Ubisoft will announce their new AC title, Assasin's Creed: Kingdom. As you already know it is set in northern europe with historical and mythological elements. The trailer is not really a trailer but a long gameplay (10+ mins).

The game focuses on being a better RPG than its predecessors with multiple endings and more meaningful choices for better roleplay. Immersion is also a big focus, Ubisoft has created a believable world based on the kingdom of Ragnar Sigurdsson (better known as Lothbrok) as king of Denmark.

NPCs have realistic routines and behaviours based on multiple situations they can be found in (finding shelter from the rain, fleeing their village after a raid from enemy soldiers are some examples).

All animations have been enhanced. Now the main character (male or female like in Odyssey) moves differently based on the enviroments they are in. Animations are really similar to something you can find in a ND game with the character touching the wall at their side if they get to close it or struggling to walk through snow or mud.

As many other games, AC:Kingdom will use the haptic triggers to simulate the action of pulling the rope of a bow or swinging an heavy weapon.

There are levels, but they are handled like in Skyrim or Kingdom come where you don't require a certain level to enter an area or fight a boss. Here you can access the whole world from the start and fight all the enemies, of course it will be very hard because your character will be very unexperienced and at first they will handle certain weapons with struggle, it will get better the more they use them.

I got mentioned something about ray tracing being used to eliminate clipping of the various clothes on the character's bodies, but I don't know anything other than it may be a thing on the next gen versions of the game.

Available at launch, but after the current gen versions.

-Gran Turismo 7 will be announced featuring full VR and RT support, native 4k and 60 fps. It will be a technical showcase for the console. Available at launch.

It features a single player carreer like the old GT games and a multiplayer mode similar to the sport mode in GT sport. The partnership with the FIA continues and the one with Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes becomes even stronger (Lewis and the Mercedes brand are on the cover of the game and a big part of the single player carreer).

-New R&C game announced from Insomniac. Full RT support and sequel to the remake, but part of a new trilogy. Semi-open world with pilotable ships. It looks even more like a Pixar movie, this time on a way bigger scale. Available in 2021

-Capcom will show a demo of their updated RE engine and announce Dragon's Dogma 2 exclusively on the PS5. Deep Down was not all to waste and Capcom wisely decided to build upon it and create this new DD. It's a really impressive game technically. Full open world with fights and monsters similar to a Monster Hunter game. It will run at 60 fps on PS5.

It's unclear if the exclusivity deal has a limit or not. I'm willing to bet it will come out on Xbox Series X/S after a while

-Shuhei Yoshida will showcase lots of indies coming to PS4 and PS5 as part of the new "PS❤Indies" intiative at SIE. Games such as: Sky:children of the light, Inaka project, a new game from Jonathan Blow, Lost Soul aside and the new game from Ken Levine studio (not really an indie, but it will still be present in this short segment).

-TLOU: Factions will be revealed, coming to PS4, PS5 and PC these holidays. It is a multiplayer only title made to replace the "Factions" mode of the original TLOU. It features an open world similar to games like DayZ, but with the love and care that you can expect expect from a team like ND.

It will feature: different seasons like Forza Horizon 4 (each will come with its pros and cons), clan support, a battle pass, a fully destructible map, lots of depth for roleplay (players will be able to cover various roles in their games: doctors, bounty hunters, traders, mercenaries for the various groups of players, soldiers ecc.), the players will be able to build camps and even "addomesticate" clickers and runners. 4k/60 with RT audio on PS5 and 1080 30 on PS4/pro. Cross play is being experimented (the difference in framerate may be an issue).

-Sony reveals a new team based in San Diego and their new game, Uncharted. A sequel to U4, but with different characters and a few cameos from the old games. Just a teaser will be shown featuring exotic locations from all around the world and glimpses at veichles both aerial and terrestrial. No release date given.

-Activision announces Crash Bandicoot:worlds on PS4 and PS5 for then end of the year (think Mario galaxy, but with Crash Bandiccot) and confirms that COD will be back at the end of the year on PS5 and in partnership with PS once again.

-Square Enix shows an impressive tech demo of a new version of the luminous engine featuring RT shadows, reflections and lighting along with 4k textures and realistic facial animations. Very reminiscent of the aestethic you can find in a FF game, but no real announcement is made (for now).

-Guerilla announces Killzone: Breach. A mp only title for PS5 and PC. The influence from games like R6 can be seen a lot during the trailer. Full destructible enviroment and a "War" mode that features up to 80 players in a fully destructible arena (Remember that first Crackdown 3 demo?). Available at launch.

-Mark Cerny announces full backwards compatibility with PS4/3/2/1/VR and that PS Vita and PSP are in the works. The PS4/2/1 whole lineup will be fully compatible from launch. As for PS3 games, they will be made compatible regularly by Sony in a way similar to how Xbox already does it on Xbox One with 360 games. All the games will receive technical enhancments like 4k resolution, better AA and 60 fps. Demos for TLOU 2, RDR1, Jak 2 and the original GT are shown briefly.

-Last announcement will be a small teaser with in-game graphics of Horizon 2. The teaser shows an older Aloy meditating on the top of a Mountain before being attacked by a huge machine and hijacking a thunderbird in order to ride it and fly around the huge machine to fight it. 2021

-Please note that all games that I've listed are exclusive to the PS5 unless I've said otherwise.

-Don't expect any PSVR2 news. VR will be mentioned as you can see, but it is still a bit early for PSVR2.

Oh, lawd. Even if half of this is somewhat true, Jesus.
 
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