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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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There's another reason why racing games have terrible deformation physics, and it has nothing to do with tech.
I think most are aware of the licensing issue, but even games without that barrier aren't great.
I'm unfamiliar with this. What does licensing have to do with racing game deformation physics?
What else is there to talk about? More silly pastebins? Arguing about the Github leaks for the thousandth time? At least this current discussion is new and different.
Context my friend.... it makes all the difference.
Halo is a cross-platform game. And if MS intends to have their entire library be the halo-like cross-platform for the first 2 years of the next-gen, then for MS, their next-gen games wil be like halo.
There is no indication that sony is doing that, so Sony will be making exclusive PS5 games, and those games will look better than a game designed to run on a 2013 console.
Unless you feel that Halo designed to run on the XB1s will look better (visually/technically) than an HZD2 designed exclusively to run on a PS5.
I prefer 60fps and good/great graphics than 30fps and mind-blowing graphics. I really do hope they prioritize framerate this gen.
I don't presume to know how they are doing it, actually. Stinkles would, I bet! I won't bother him about it, though, because I imagine that's getting into areas he can't talk about yet. Since the game has been in dev for something like 4+ years I can only assume that they started as an Xbox One title and built around that idea. Unless, they were given a directive to essentially launch the next system, given 2020 as a timeline to have it done, then they could have started to build out with the target specs I'm sure they knew before any one else on the planet and built down. Or, since they are such a huge team, they could have started on One arch, given that to their third party helper teams, and focused on a next-gen Scarlett vision.
I just have no idea. There are a lot of options, imo. It's kind of meta, but one of the most exciting things left to discover about Halo Infinite is this question. I do kind of think they were given as close to a blank check as possible in order to create this dual version vision. People talking about what the differences between a 'true' next-gen game and current gen might look directly at Halo Infinite to see what can be done, what limitations there are, etc.
I don't have much knowledge on this matter, but basically brands do not want their cars to appear "damaged, destroyed or broken" in games.
Ah, I see. That's unfortunate. Thank you for the explanations.
Most manufacturers don't want to see their cars being totaled in a game, and will withhold licensing rights unless studios limit the degree to which their cars can take damage.
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Are you insinuating that the 2nd screenshot looks like something possible in-game on Xbox One?
Also, let's be real, 343 absolutely had target specs for Project Scarlett at that point... I'd bet all of their first party studios had rough engineering targets at that point.
True. Even GTAIV, for whatever reason, had better deformation physics than GTAV. Maybe it was just me, but I think there are some comparison videos on YT.
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That's why Phil insisted on 4K/60FPS since the beginning of project Scarlett.
Horizon will still probably be 30 FPS with CB. And yes, the comparison will be brutal.
I agree with this, as long as we are still keeping the comparisons similar.
Halo is a launching game for next Xbox. Horizon 2 is most likely not.
Halo is 60 fps game. Horizon 2 is most likely not.
I am amazed we are already comparing games we haven't seen a single second of gameplay lol.
Also Halo 5 was a 60fps game. Gears 5 is 60fps game. Forza Horizon 4 has a 60fps mode so it's not like Phil insisted on 4k60 just now for Scarlett.
Halo is 60 fps game. Horizon 2 is most likely not.
I am amazed we are already comparing games we haven't seen a single second of gameplay lol.
Also Halo 5 was a 60fps game. Gears 5 is 60fps game. Forza Horizon 4 has a 60fps mode so it's not like Phil insisted on 4k60 just now for Scarlett.
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https://pastebin.com/j0CiqKeD so ps5 is 18tf but will be limited to 14tf(probably couse is too fast) :-)
When Phil revealed the trailer, he said it was 'early in development'. It won't be released within those two years, so won't be one of the games held back by Jaguar.
I thought about replying to his post but it gave me a headache. Console wars is serious business comparing 60fps games to 30.. furthermore we haven't even seen any gameplay of neither just don't know anymore
Nothing says insider leak like pastebin post that anyone could write up just to have laughs at expense of fans that are looking for something to use in console wars.
I'd say that, on XSX at least, FH5 will be 60fps, and you won't need to drop to 1080p to get there.
It really doesn't matter what fps whatever game is. That's not what this is about.
And the stance people tend to take with these things make it come across like this is some-console warring nonsense. It's not and shouldn't be.
Lets put consoles aside and just look at it technically.
Take the same 60fps game. Now build that game to run on the XB1s and then have a team build the same game to run exclusively on the SeX. The SeX game will not just look better in every imaginable way, it wil also be designed better in every technical way. And ways that the XB1s simply cannot accommodate.
That's the point here. As long as you are building the game to run on the XB1s, then that console must be the base platform. And be it 60fps/30fps... will never look as good or technically be as good as a game designed exclusively for the SeX. But more interestingly, because your team had to design a game that could work on the XB1s.... its like they are working on the SeX with both hands tied behind their backs.
Speaking of tech, would love to see how Turn10 use Lighting especially Ray Tracing to showcase Series X.
So judging from this, the next PlayStation Meeting will be either on 12th, Feb 2020 or 19th, Feb 2020 most likely.
My money's on 19th Feb. That is when Sony will reveal PS5's full specs.
Nothing wrong with superficial. That's typical of launch games, cross gen or not.
but these types of improvements that you are mentioning are exactly the type of advancements that are in no way hindered by crossgen development- especially not when it comes to open world.
Theres nothing stopping the XSX version of an open world game from having more npcs and enemies on screen, better lighting, animations, faster loading, faster mounts/vehicles that take advantage of the faster loading, better destruction etc. Than its last gen counterpart
Just look to the difference between Forza Horizon 2 on 360 vs Xb1.
No prob. Maybe you were thinking of PSX? They didn't do one since 2017. I think they might have 86'd that moving forward.
Imagine a GPU that was thirty-five feet long and weighed approximately six hundred pounds.
One thing that I think will be interesting with MS' cross-gen strategy versus Sony going into next-gen titles more quickly is that games on Series X will probably be targeting 4K/60 more often (unless there is a shift in philosophy at SIE which is possible). It'll be interesting to see how early adopters react to 30fps games with bonkers visuals versus good looking 4K/60 titles.
Also it raises another question about Lockhart, what kind of settings and performance levels will it be targeting. Could games be running at 4K/30 on the One X but 1080/60 with higher settings on Lockhart? Will be fascinating to see how different targets pan out.
Also it raises another question about Lockhart, what kind of settings and performance levels will it be targeting. Could games be running at 4K/30 on the One X but 1080/60 with higher settings on Lockhart? Will be fascinating to see how different targets pan out.
Right. I'm talking about the age of devices here being supported. My mom's television stopped being supported by Netflix a couple years ago then was recently delisted to not even work on what it did have. You buy a lower end tv today, yes it will, but you're not just going to be holding onto televisions from 2013 to play Game Pass via xCloud. It's an unrealistic expectation.
Of course there is effort, but all the games coming out through 2021 were already targeting PS4 and Xbox one. Games take a while to make
I don't understand comparing Halo Infinite to Horizon 2 any more than I understand comparing the next Halo to Horizon. They are different games with different priorities, art directions, world design, etc. Even ignoring the impact of different frame rates (IF it is 30fps vs 60fps) there are so many other factors that it makes the comparison pointless.
This is why comparing exclusives is ultimately foolish. When there are a million different variables to consider in how a game is made, what is the point really outside of satisfying some kind of bias? The closest we can really get to this approach is comparing games like GT to Forza. Two games that have goals similar enough where such a comparison can highlight the different approaches each team takes.
This is exactly what I was thinking about when making that post. Doubt we'll see this level of fidelity but moving closer to it would still be good.
I wonder if they are using AMDs tech or if this is an evolution of their own. They've had tire deformation since Forza 3.
Probably different prioritization of resources. With GTAV being the more demanding game, certain elements probably needed to be scaled back a bit to facilitate this more demanding direction.
This is why comparing exclusives is ultimately foolish. When there are a million different variables to consider in how a game is made, what is the point really outside of satisfying some kind of bias? The closest we can really get to this approach is comparing games like GT to Forza. Two games that have goals similar enough where such a comparison can highlight the different approaches each team takes.
This is exactly what I was thinking about when making that post. Doubt we'll see this level of fidelity but moving closer to it would still be good.
I wonder if they are using AMDs tech or if this is an evolution of their own. They've had tire deformation since Forza 3.
Probably different prioritization of resources. With GTAV being the more demanding game, certain elements probably needed to be scaled back a bit to facilitate this more demanding direction.
Yeah, I think whatever the date is in Feb. would be before GDC. People who get invitations will definitely let the Public know of the date.
This is the best line: "direct read/write access to the SSD".... thats NVME... I will post this around to sow chaos though.
From the Ass.Creed leak thread:
"He further stated that Assassin's Creed Ragnarok will release in October and will be revealed on 12th February at the Sony's PS5 reveal event which is yet to be announced."
"He further stated that Assassin's Creed Ragnarok will release in October and will be revealed on 12th February at the Sony's PS5 reveal event which is yet to be announced."
Yea...a tv from 2013 with having the app currently yea...but I doubt that's gonna be an expectation. I mean the person said when it's available for Smart TVs...I don't think he/she implied that every smart tv ever...and forever supported.
Both Feb 18th and the 20th are available at sony hall. I bet 18th since they seem to love tuesday's.
I'm still hoping this'll be a game, although it most likely won't be. The "To be continued..." at the end gives me hope though. Might end up as a tech demo for the PS5.
Kind of like the UE4 Elemental tech demo at the Playstation Meeting.
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