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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Sound like bullshit? Patents can be filled about anything.Can smart people from this thread confirm if this is even possible?
so the tflops calculation formula needs to be updated?
CU x 64 x clock speed x 2+ ?
Sounds like wishful thinking lol
That was civil. When someone primarily focuses on one platform, it's pretty safe to say they are only interested in that platform.
First gen games aren't going to fully utilize the SSD or CPU.
Any easy way to find the patent? What he links to seems to cover backwards compatibility.
It is the (PS4 Pro?) BC patent filed in November 2015. Not sure what the SIMD stuff is about myself (I'm sure the tech guru's here will explain).
I don't know what patent he's talking about but a) i highly doubt any patent refers to 'ps5' and b) all gpus are simd or mimd. The teraflop ratings on a gpu already account for that, it's not some magic new multiplier.
They posted it 2 minutes after you lmao. Honest mistake
Wouldn't this be kinda groundbreaking?
EDIT: Ah this is old.
Guess you missed the "in this context" part of the comment...
On the MS side since they had to take into account PC any way .
Sony i see that being different with there first party devs who had dev kits with SDD in them for years even early.
That's nonsense. Not only does the referenced patent not talk about any of that, "SIMD" does not mean what this guy is thinking it means.
Agreed. I remain open minded about the impact of extended cross gen but an 'only available in PS5' or a 'couldn't be made without the power of PS5' will make for great marketing tag lines.
It can be less or it can be more, nobody knows other than the folks working behind the scenes at XBOX. We're discussing what might happen, it's a speculation thread after all. But I'm not a fan of their thinking and I have no doubt that sony will come out swinging with their 1st party titles. We'll see.
Yeah. So it's probably just some wishful thinking on his part.
Actually I cant even access that patent from that link he posted.
Right, didn't this get found already by the OT patent finder here?
I can see them changing their stance on no moneyhatting. It seems Sony's being pretty aggressive with third parties on their console first. I could be wrong though
This all sounds like bs to me, btw who is this twitter person ? Anyway, anexanhume is our resident patent expert,let's see what he has to say about it. :)
Let me rephrase that, first gen PS5 games aren't going to fully exploit the SSD and CPU. Games on both platforms will continue to evolve and be optimized for years and years. This is why this whole topic is silly.
Now, I'm not going to even pretend to be able to decipher the patent, but first thing I saw that made me go....really...is backwards compatibility.
I swore this was posted already, but about BC.
I could see a PS5 game that started dev in 2018 being fully planned for next-gen but that game isn't coming out by the end of 2021.
What can i say i'm a popular guy
Is this the quote you were talking to me about?
The funniest thing about all of this which just dawned on me is since MS studios are all developing games for PC, their targets are literally the fastest possible gaming devices, meaning their high end will have a higher spec target then even an XSX or other equivalent console or PC, and yet people are making the argument their games will be hampered
Agreed. These games are going to take longer to make so any next gen launch game is going to be limited during its development whether or not it's a cross gen game. This is normal for launch games when developers are forced to work on unfinished hardware with unfinished or missing features.
Yeah looks like it's nothing.
I guess Sony will have to stop with putting second gpu inside the power brick
I guess Sony will have to stop with putting second gpu inside the power brick
It's been the case for xbox games for a while gears 5 forza horizon etc.
While PC hardware can be upgraded and the best-of-the-best can consistently be more performany than consoles, that doesn't mean that is the target. I would say the median and average PC gamer will have a worse performing machine than PS4/XSX.
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Sony fanboy logic:
All PC games are now inferior and are not truly "next gen" because they can scale down to less powerful hardware specifactions...
I'm playing Days Gone on my PS4 Pro and a mid-tier 4K TV.
This game already looks f***ing STUNNING with < 2 Tflops. I don't know if we'll get 10ish, 11ish or whatever amount of Tflops with nextgen but... I wonder how big the leap will be. I can't even imagine it since we already are at this level with the current consoles.
This game already looks f***ing STUNNING with < 2 Tflops. I don't know if we'll get 10ish, 11ish or whatever amount of Tflops with nextgen but... I wonder how big the leap will be. I can't even imagine it since we already are at this level with the current consoles.
And thats not even close to what some of us are talking about. The load times will be faster, but the game won't be designed around it in terms of how it streams the assets/ and caches them.
Which from what a lot of the chatter has been on Next gen for first party PS5, is something that will change the way games are developed going forward.
I really don't think they need that much time to use the SSD to eliminate hidden load screens. As for the argument about time constraints, well, there's tension between that and what we've been hearing about how far along Sony is. I think it'll be business as usual for most, but a Sony first party studio could surprise.
The game's shortcomings are easily noticed, and you can see how a better GPU and storage would help immensely. Awful pop-in, hitching are glaring issues that need better hardware to solve, same with SSAO (though I'm not sure RT shadows will be feasible on PS5/XSX, but fingers crossed).
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Here's my thinking:
The evolution in technical sophistication of games over a cycle needs a starting point. The point at which devs have the freedom to ask in a fundamental way how they can use this hardware to make more impressive games is that starting point.
If you're asking people to spend $500 on a machine, I think it's ultimately to the advantage of those customers to let as many devs as possible ask that question as soon as possible.
Obviously there's real world constraints - third parties can rarely focus on next gen immediately. But first party can, and in the past have. And have likely contributed to expediting the evolution of the software for that generation. If you delay the point where more devs can start asking that question, surely you risk delay to the iteration that leads to the later more sophisticated uses?
Microsoft's wish to support the current gen for longer is understandable, but the question of impact on development and the iteration that leads to the improvement over the cycle isn't a silly one. That launch games don't always make the most impressive use of the hardware is a bit besides the point - allowing as many devs as possible to focus on next-gen hardware with their launch games may be beneficial to moving along the evolution we're talking about faster.
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Frank O Connor has already stated that their baseline is an Xbox one and their peak is the most powerful PC available. These studios are no longer targeting average specs as their highest performers.
Base means the target is xbox one, and they scale up from there like i originally guessed
That's not how PC game development works. No game targets a 2080 TI. The only one that comes even a little close is Star Citizen, and that one's in a close wholly by itself.
Well if the XSX rumors are true we are getting pretty close.
And it will be only be the baseline for like a year. PC games target Xbox one equivalent specs as their minimum all the time.
We covered this in one of the first threads (given the patent's age).
It's a BC patent and non-technical people aren't comprehending the language in the patent.
edit: The introduction or background usually tells you what the patent is trying to achieve, in simpler terms than the claims.
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This is where I am at.
I recently finished Days Gone and I would go even that far that the snowy areas are one of the best things I have seen overall this generation.
I cannot imagine what next gen will bring.
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