PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!

[ToadPacShakur]

I can see why your thinking this way i was just showing the other side the one that a lot of people will also take, even with gamepass i still buy most of the games i want to play i hardly have time for the games i really want so i tend to be quality over quantity kinda guy, not saying that the games aren't quality they just often aren't the game i want to play when i have the time

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Oh yea dude I totally get you. I'll say this.. If Spiderman is there I'm gonna have a harrddd time not getting it on day one. I'm thinking of trading both my PS4 pro and One X consoles and just upgrade both consoles especially since BC seems to be a given now

 

[Barnabas Reynolds]

Sony bailing on E3 would be fine for me. I'd rather watch their Direct rip-off for 30-45 minutes and get back to my life anyway.

 

[disco_potato]

Sony skipping E3 again would be the wackest fuckin thing ever, I just don't see it happening.

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E3 has been less and less relevant over the years. Sooner than later, most will abandon it.

pssst, they'll be there this year

 

[M3rcy]

Should we post pictures of the "sold out" PS3 and X1 on shelves? I remember all the threads on GAF about MS saying they were sold out and people from around the world posting pics of stacks of X1s on shelves.

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How about 18 vs 14 days of sales last gen launch with an Xbox One that was $100 more expensive, much less powerful and had a shitshow of a launch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...tion-4-sales-total-18b-first-three-weeks.html

Again, he's predicting a "massive" difference in the first 4 weeks.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

I remember reading that E3 will be more about the social media "influencers." People like Ninja.

 

[Brees2Thomas]

Schreir predicts OFFICIALLY on his latest podcast that PS5 will MASSIVELY outsell XSX at launch. NEW THREAD REQUIRED?!

https://kotaku.com/our-video-game-p...witter&utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter

Spoiler: THE TRUTH

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I listened to same podcast. They were doing a list of 2020 predictions and were clear that nothing could come from "insider information." So this is totally Shrier speculation.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

The thing that isn't being discussed is the time-frame. The first month. Consoles usually sell out in the first month, so Jason seems to believe that one or both of the following things are true. Sony will ship massively more PS5s and/or XBSX will not sell out it's early shipments. That's unexpected.

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Ah, it seems he said 2:1 in the first month. That is reasonable.

 

[Heretic]

You ruined E3..just like the Stars are gonna ruin the Ducks tonight 😉

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I have my tissues ready cause Pear Bear will be there T.T Not playing, as you know lol.

 

[M3rcy]

Ah, it seems he said 2:1 in the first month. That is reasonable.

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And your basing this on XBSX sales being supply or demand limited?

 

[FF Seraphim]

I remember reading that E3 will be more about the social media "influencers." People like Ninja.

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If that is true then we should be happy that Sony may snub them. Just show us the games, don't show us Youtubers talking about the games.

 

[Albert Penello]

And yet every successful PS console released was in the same ballpark adjusted to inflation (2018):
PS1 - 498$
PS2 - 441$
PS4 - 440$

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But it looks different if you add the Pro.

PS4PRO - 415$

The inflation adjusted difference between the consoles in this scenario is $83.

The actual non adjusted prices for the consoles is about the same - $100

PS1 - 299$
PS2 - 299$
PS4 - 399$
PS4PRO - 399$

I'm not saying consoles won't go up with inflation - they clearly did and they will again. However, there was a 13 year gap (in your example) between PS2 and PS4 when the actual price went up. It didn't in the 5 years between the PS1 and PS2. And it didn't in the 3 years between PS4 and PS4 Pro.

(and there are plenty of successful consoles that make the argument against inflation - Nintendo consoles are well below the inflation rate)

Given that the PS4 Pro launched in 2016, and the inflation adjusted price for that only varies by $15, I don't think that's a case that there is room to move up in Gen 9. Inflation will matter for consoles at some point, but I don't think it's 2020.

Doing quick math: The average inflation rate for the last decade (throwing out the highest and lowest) is 1.8%. Projecting forward, the time where a 2016 $399 console = $500 (assuming 2% inflation) is 2027

 

[ToadPacShakur]

I have my tissues ready cause Pear Bear will be there T.T Not playing, as you know lol.

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I was literally there lol though my drunk ass thought the refs overreacted 😂

 

[DriftingSpirit]

And your basing this on XBSX sales being supply or demand limited?

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More on territories. Sony will be selling in more places.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

If that is true then we should be happy that Sony may snub them. Just show us the games, don't show us Youtubers talking about the games.

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Yep. We really don't need this happening again:

 

[anexanhume]

But it looks different if you add the Pro.

PS4PRO - 415$

The inflation adjusted difference between the consoles in this scenario is $83.

The actual non adjusted prices for the consoles is about the same - $100

PS1 - 299$
PS2 - 299$
PS4 - 399$
PS4PRO - 399$

I'm not saying consoles won't go up with inflation - they clearly did and they will again. However, there was a 13 year gap (in your example) between PS2 and PS4 when the actual price went up. It didn't in the 5 years between the PS1 and PS2. And it didn't in the 3 years between PS4 and PS4 Pro.

(and there are plenty of successful consoles that make the argument against inflation - Nintendo consoles are well below the inflation rate)

Given that the PS4 Pro launched in 2016, and the inflation adjusted price for that only varies by $15, I don't think that's a case that there is room to move up in Gen 9. Inflation will matter for consoles at some point, but I don't think it's 2020.

Doing quick math: The average inflation rate for the last decade (throwing out the highest and lowest) is 1.8%. Projecting forward, the time where a 2016 $399 console = $500 (assuming 2% inflation) is 2027

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That's a good point. These half-step consoles really throw a wrench in all of our comparables.

 

[M3rcy]

More on territories. Sony will be selling in more places.

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But that won't allow them to make more. That's the point. I'm asking how likely it is sales in the first month will be demand limited instead of supply limited.

It's not a question of if more people will want to buy PS5, it's if Sony will have enough on hand to sell to those people in massively higher numbers than what XBSX will be able to make and sell in month 1.

 

[tomofthepops]

No way in hell they skip E3 this year. Two of the main reasons they didn't show up last year are gone, Shawn layden & no new games.

 

[AegonSnake]

Skipping e3 right before launch is a colossally stupid idea but i wouldn't expect any less from a company launching a 9 tflops $399 console in 2020. #4themasses

Of course i don't think they are launching a 9 tflops console and there is no way they are skipping e3 this close to launch.

Avatar bet with Jason schrier.

 

[Chamon]

Yep. We really don't need this happening again:

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Lol, I forgot this. Poor guy...

 

[DriftingSpirit]

But that won't allow them to make more. That's the point. I'm asking how likely it is sales in the first month will be demand limited instead of supply limited.

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They aren't going to be producing the same amount of units. So, it would be demand. They both have different circumstances with territories and how they choose to handle them.

 

[Zok310]

Yep. We really don't need this happening again:

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wow, what a short circuit. He totally phoned that one in😂
But this is guaranteed to happen every year with at least one celeb influencer. Seeing it go down live is funny but extremely cringe.

 

[M3rcy]

They aren't going to be producing the same amount of units. So, it would be demand. They both have different circumstances with territories and how they choose to handle them.

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What makes you think this?

Also, not producing the same number of units yet being demand-limited is contradictory.

 

[Heretic]

I was literally there lol though my drunk ass thought the refs overreacted 😂

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Awesome! Lolol

 

[Yearsoflurking]

I could see new Sony missing e3, maybe ole Jim doesn't think the cost makes sense.

 

[DrKeo]

The only hardware feature I would expect to cause problems would be SMT. Given how abstracted CPUs actually are from the instructions they execute, I can't see different execution hardware being that much of a problem. Now, maybe the CPU would have to report a lower our different set of capabilities than what it actually has when queried, but I'm not sure it would actually have to turn much off for compatibility.

Clocks are a different story, though. I can see taking advantage of the locked and standardized clocks for timing and synchronization.

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They will probably need to disable some features like SMT, command sets, throttle some actions and lower or even remove pools of cache if they want similar timing and synchronization. But it's all in the Mark Cerny patent, they intend on doing all of that:

And speaking of Intel:


Meh. I guess i expected more...

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Isn't it just a laptop integrated GPU thrown in a case as some form of a dev kit so developers can optimize their games for the new intel architecture? We've still haven't seen their discrete desktop GPU, do not despair!

But it looks different if you add the Pro.

PS4PRO - 415$

The inflation adjusted difference between the consoles in this scenario is $83.

The actual non adjusted prices for the consoles is about the same - $100

PS1 - 299$
PS2 - 299$
PS4 - 399$
PS4PRO - 399$

I'm not saying consoles won't go up with inflation - they clearly did and they will again. However, there was a 13 year gap (in your example) between PS2 and PS4 when the actual price went up. It didn't in the 5 years between the PS1 and PS2. And it didn't in the 3 years between PS4 and PS4 Pro.

(and there are plenty of successful consoles that make the argument against inflation - Nintendo consoles are well below the inflation rate)

Given that the PS4 Pro launched in 2016, and the inflation adjusted price for that only varies by $15, I don't think that's a case that there is room to move up in Gen 9. Inflation will matter for consoles at some point, but I don't think it's 2020.

Doing quick math: The average inflation rate for the last decade (throwing out the highest and lowest) is 1.8%. Projecting forward, the time where a 2016 $399 console = $500 (assuming 2% inflation) is 2027

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All I'm saying is that console prices do go up over the years because of inflation, even if they don't follow inflation 1:1. I do agree that 399$ is a very logical price point for the PS5 but considering that inflation puts 2013's 399$ at around 450$ in 2020, I guess it could go either way.

 

[Psyrgery]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

 

[Deleted member 12635]

Really surprised by Jason thinking that everyone will just play Xbox games on PC, although maybe he has enough sources to back that thinking up.

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Mike Ybarra lol

 

[Gamer17]

Guys if sony was skipping e3 they would already annouce it now like last year. They will be at e3

 

[disco_potato]

"AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics" faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti


Please be excited ;)

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It's literally a mobile CPU with the most powerful GPU ever tested. There's no use case on desktop that that makes any sense in. They're either spoofing some ID and/or it's dual GPU, and/or plain bogus result.

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The smartypants bros(Globalisateur) from B3D googled the eng sample name/serial and got

https://www.technopat.net/sosyal/konu/asus-zephyrus-g-ga401iv-dxdiag.804989/

ASUS Zephyrous laptop with amd APU and a discrete NVIDIA GPU. That score is indeed for a dual gpu set up.

keyboard+fingers=magic

 

[Cyborg]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

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There's a GPU in the PS5?

 

[MorshuTheTrader]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

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This. If both machines are close in performance (as they likely are), but maybe one has an advantage in one area, and the other has an advantage in another, it benefits no one to reveal the hard numbers.

 

[ManOfWar]

ASUS Zephyrous laptop with amd APU and a discrete NVIDIA GPU. That score is indeed for a dual gpu set up.

keyboard+fingers=magic

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That half hour of battery life is going to be so cool!

 

[Bradbatross]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

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I won't be surprised if Sony doesn't mention the exact TF number and MS doesn't mention the exact SSD speed.

 

[VX1]

The smartypants bros(Globalisateur) from B3D googled the eng sample name/serial and got

https://www.technopat.net/sosyal/konu/asus-zephyrus-g-ga401iv-dxdiag.804989/

ASUS Zephyrous laptop with amd APU and a discrete NVIDIA GPU. That score is indeed for a dual gpu set up.

keyboard+fingers=magic

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Damn :)

 

[Proven]

I won't be surprised if Sony doesn't mention the exact TF number and MS doesn't mention the exact SSD speed.

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I think MS has already talked about SSD's, although not in speed. They seem to think their box will nearly diminish loading.

But if PS is actually weaker I don't think they talk about the specs on a show

 

[Dust]

Xbox 2019 was by far the best E3 show in history.

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Why?

This. If both machines are close in performance (as they likely are), but maybe one has an advantage in one area, and the other has an advantage in another, it benefits no one to reveal the hard numbers.

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That would be nightmare scenario.
This thread would never leave purgatory.

 

[Deleted member 32563]

Yep. We really don't need this happening again:

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Dat jacket was fresh though lol!

 

[Crimson Angelus]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

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100% agree. I don't see us knowing the nitty gritty on either console until much closer to launch personally.

 

[M3rcy]

They will probably need to disable some features like SMT, command sets, throttle some actions and lower or even remove pools of cache if they want similar timing and synchronization. But it's all in the Mark Cerny patent, they intend on doing all of that:

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It's a catch-all, though. Some resources can/will be restricted, some features can/will be disabled, etc. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have to always eliminate every difference between the chips, they just have levers to do so as needed to get a compatible result. From what I recall, there's also a bunch of analytics being done in the background to determine when to activate those levers.

 

[Deleted member 18951]

Mike Ybarra lol

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Touchè :)

 

[Brees2Thomas]

Not a fan of Sony skipping E3, I hope it's not true.

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Again, none of these Schrier predictions were based on insider info. They made that clear on the podcast.

 

[Cyborg]

I just wonder why would Sony invest in "nice to have" features (3d audio etc.) but save money by going for only 36CUs.
I hope I get surprised by those guys, fingers crossed. No matter what Im there on Day 1!

 

[Deleted member 12635]

If I had to make a prediction, it would be this one:

When Sony reveals the Ps5 they will define their gpu specs with vague terms and will use the same type of language Phil used to describe the specs of the XSX.

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For Xbox I believe you will get more details in an interview by Anandtech or Eurogamer(deep dive). I do not think I know another site that would be able to ask the right questions, tbh. Especially not IGN and GameStop. I suspect a similar approach with Sony.

 

[Lausebub]

If that is true then we should be happy that Sony may snub them. Just show us the games, don't show us Youtubers talking about the games.

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But that's half the fun.

 

[Deleted member 62028]

Why?

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Keanu and a lot of great games shown.

 

[Jaypah]

At E3 Sony should have all of their 1st party demos that use gameplay be selected from the PS5 home menu then quick loaded into the game, just to flex. Also, just for fun, the other tiles on the home screen should be images that vaguely hint at games in production that they aren't ready to show. Just as a little Easter egg and to give folks like us something else to speculate and get hyped about.

 

[Dizastah]

If Sony is going to skip E3, I think they would have announced it by now.

 

[DrKeo]

It's a catch-all, though. Some resources can/will be restricted, some features can/will be disabled, etc. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have to always eliminate every difference between the chips, they just have levers to do so as needed to get a compatible result. From what I recall, there's also a bunch of analytics being done in the background to determine when to activate those levers.

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Yes, and they are also spoofing the processor ID to make it seem like a Jaguar:

 

[Joo]

There's rational and then there's "'no wai". Look me in the eyes and tell me those screaming that Sony WILL win next-gen aren't reassuring themselves for the most part.

We're talking about potential multiple consoles at launch, questions about features, services, price, form factor, and yes, of lower importance, power. Not to mention games obviously 🤷‍♀️

This is gonna be a fun ride.

And yeah I know that Sony winning this gen means they have momentum (which is one of the main reasons I believe they'll win next gen). But we live in a world where an actual madman can become president of the most powerful nation in the world.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

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Allright. Good thinking. Some people might be giving themselves that pat of reassurement when commenting on Sony winning but it's also rational to lean towards that opinion. Of course there's many different factors at play when new consoles launch and anything can happen, but at the same time people are getting more and more tangled in certain ecosystems with bc, digital libraries, game pass, ps+ and such so that makes transitions to rival console an even harder decision than before.

Don't know how this'll turn out, but I'd definitely bet on Sony having the lead and wouldn't criticize anyone making that same bet for obvious reasons.

Gonna be a fun ride indeed.

 

[Dust]

Sony should announce CE3ny a two hours ASMR conference spoken by Mark Cerny.

Keanu and a lot of great games shown.

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I only remembered DMCV, actually forgot about Keanu lol