LOL!
short cores=short on cores=36 CUs
disease resistant=high clocks no problem=2GHz
Fuck, 9TF confirmed. Sorry Klee.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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short cores=short on cores=36 CUs
disease resistant=high clocks no problem=2GHz
Fuck, 9TF confirmed. Sorry Klee.
Errr... why would you buy tickets when you have no idea what the movie is going to be about?
I am sorry if this is too personal question, but are you still working in the gaming industry? Any interesting plans maybe? :)
Whichever one is better, both consoles having an SSD next gen is going to be a game changer.
I only watch Nolan movies, I don't need to know what they are about.
LOL, movie spoilers are different than knowing what it is supposed to be about.
Agreed. Trust me: I'm no fanboy. I'm literally just posting what I know of the situation.
Thanks for asking. I'm at Amazon, working in the FireTV team. If you remember when Amazon and Alexa worked to get Alexa devices working on Xbox, I was part of that program on the Amazon side. So I'm gaming-adjacent. :)
You have no idea if PS3 BC was pretty much impossible without embedding a PS3 in a PS4. Sony never tried. They could've did like MS and planned for it by having certain aspects of the PS3 hardware design built into the PS4 processor to help and used software emulation to do the rest.
I guess people just want to know what kind of graphics and what not they can expect and they want to know it in as far in advance as possible? Just seems like a natural curiosity to me. As far as knowing what BOTH competing devices will have under the hood- obviously it's because people want to know which box will theoretically run a multiplatform game better/prettier/shinier. They will likely purchase whichever box that is, since it's something they even care to know about.
Haha no need to apologize. I took no offense. This is just an innocent discussion. I only get frustrated when people expect others to own both consoles. Nah. Lol
I don't think it's what he implied : you don't have to know exactly what's inside. But of course you have to know what it's capable of. And as a matter of fact, we know "a lot" of things about XSX or PS5 : 4K, hardware raytracing, SSD and so on. So he wonders why people absolutely want to know more details.
At least that's the way I read this.
Holy crap lol
Amazon or MS, it's still cool that you're posting here! 👍
Oh don't get me wrong, Xefu was a technical marvel with amazing potential, it being resurrected for Xbox One and the amazing results there are proof enough of that. It was just sad to see development being halted before it could become a viable way to play OG Xbox games. The Xefu team got the ball rolling and their work lives on today, it's just a shame they weren't given the chance to finish what they started given the massive inroads they had already made into the herculean task that was getting OG Xbox games running on 360.
If anyone else is interested:
3rd party games performing better on the more powerful system should be a given, but is not always the case.
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Bring it home and tear apart the console to find out the specs yourself. /S
Seriously, that is such a stupid tweet.
Yeah, this is rich. Same people parading the die shots around :)
Ah, so you're listening even when I'm not in this thread ;)
Price difference was in regard to Lockhart obviously. I also wrote that I predict 399$ to be still successful for Sony barring extraordinary circumstances.
399$ is THE target, because you sip enthusiasts for a couple of years and then go mass market with 299$. If Sony goes at 499$ they cannot go to 299$ fast and that hurts adoption once enthusiast pool saturates.
I find your suggestions of taking 200$ loss per console laughable. Either they target performance and compromise on price, or they target price and compromise on performance. There is no third way. Recently they strongly preferred price. Take your own guesses, I don't mind either option sans dissatisfaction with being wrong. My own purchasing decisions aren't driven by TF(which doesn't mean 12TF XSX doesn't make me happy). Sony can target 20TF for all I care. I just don't think it's realistic.
Yeah, we've seen enough DF videos now showing games pushing higher resolution on the X, yet running better on the Pro.
True, I should have added in my normal schpeel: "I just don't mind having a less powerful box but I don't want my version of multiplats to have screen tearing and frame rate problems like we dealt with this gen."
It can be an option. Penetration of >60Hz TVs is non existent and will remain so in the foreseeable future.
The only way Sony stands a chance is pricing PS5 400$. 250-300$ Lockhart gonna destroy it if the difference between them is more than 150$.
I don't expect this to really happen.
GamePass, maybe.
But Live and PSN are one of those things that people will suck up and pay for regardless.
BC was not part of that slide.
I suspect this is just a vague overview and there will be many more features revealed. Especially considering consoles already had two of those this gen.
Yeah, because a company that posts a console logo on Instagram and gets 5M likes in two days clearly is walking on a razor thin line close to failure.
BC was not part of that slide.
I suspect this is just a vague overview and there will be many more features revealed. Especially considering consoles already had two of those this gen.
BC is not really related to hardware, so it makes sense it doesn't appear.
here's the end to your storage woes that will inevitably happen. 3GB read/write though
I agree they will want to make as much money as possible. Every business does. When the vast majority of your revenue is from software and services, they have a better chance of building their install base faster with a $400 console.
Also let's be honest. IF the PS5 does end up being weaker than the SX, the Sony stans here will pivot to sales anyways.
You're assuming this enthusiast gamer won't eventually buy both consoles, I think there's a good chance they do.
You're assuming a 9TF console is gimped when it's not. A developer has expressed this and it was ignored.
You're assuming Sony will be willing to lose $200 per console to be competitive with performance but still $100 cheaper and I think that's very unrealistic.
You're assuming Lockhart is a mistake and will only cause issues for MS for little gain when it will really be their best selling SKU. The market that Lockhart is targeting doesn't care about DF results. They care about playing the next gen games at 1080p for an affordable price. Anyone else that understands the purpose of Lockhart will expect it to look worse than the PS5 and SX. So the bad press doesn't make sense. Fanboys will latch onto the results seen from Lockhart, everyone else will see what is expected of the machine.
Console gamers on a forum do not equal the vast majority of gamers on the market, even the enthusiast market. So I think it's misguided to assume your many assumptions line up with reality.
We've been at this too many generations for this to be asked. These gens last quite some time too...why wouldn't we be excited about the specs.
i know you wrote that. thats why i poked holes in that theory because if sony is losing both the enthusiasts and the mass market consumer then how will they be successful?
and no, taking a $200 loss is not my suggestion. i am saying they will launch at $499. YOU want them to launch at $399 and that means they are taking a $200 loss because they cannot get to $399 without gimping EVERYTHING else in the system. unless they are willing to do it.
lastly, MS IS targeting performance and compromising on price with series x. they get that its their best path forward. its what consoles have traditionally been. you sell at a loss and make up by selling games and now services. PSN's digital revenue was $12 billion more than Nintendo and MS's digital revenue combined. Why would they give that up launching an underpowered console that isnt even the cheapest console available?
Tom Warren makes a good point. It's all about the games.
I think it's safe to say any console manufacturer doing a similar post would have had the same outcome. At 5M, I'd say that's the corest of Sony's core who was always gonna be there day one anyway.
So in short: impressive but let's not get carried away. More than 5M people bought a Wii U for goodness sake (again Nintendos core)
I think it's safe to say any console manufacturer doing a similar post would have had the same outcome. At 5M, I'd say that's the corest of Sony's core who was always gonna be there day one anyway.
So in short: impressive but let's not get carried away. More than 5M people bought a Wii U for goodness sake (again Nintendos core)
Could be a random question unrelated to anything, could be hinting that MS won't do a full reveal until they are ready to put up pre-orders.
I wanna see games more than fuss about specs but I agree that his analogy is weak
Of course, I just find it weird, that the Senior Director of Hardware would wonder why people want to know the specs of a console his company expects to purchase.
No they won't but at least we would have some competition in this scenario that some around here been dreaming about.
Warren has been hinting towards a reveal in the Spring, prior to E3. They have something planned, but whether it's March or May is anyone's guess.
To everyone shitting on the poor guy, please actually look into the replies of the tweet. He was genuinely curious about why people wanted to know the specs and has been actively talking about it with people.
Always nice to see you on here Albert. Also I want to suggestion the option to cast/mirrorcast to the FireStick without having to go into settings to enable it every time :P.
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Pre-purchase validation, Proactive anti-buyer remorse, naw we just want the details lol!
Pre-purchase validation, Proactive anti-buyer remorse, naw we just want the details lol!
I don't think this is really reflective of how the market works anymore. 360/PS3 was a race to the bottom price-wise, just as previous gens had been. Now, over 6 years in, console MSRPs have only dropped $100, and this has created a perception that's the mass market price.
In fact, focus has shifted to promotional sales in the holidays where the console makers discount their boxes to a level more reflective of their actual cost to build, $199, and they sell 1/3 or more of the year's units in that small timeframe. So, there is probably close to $100 of hidden margin in the MSRP we see now.
This trend will probably continue next gen, with some median MSRP where they actually make money before they discount at holiday time to capture the price sensitive consumers.
Inflation has also shifted a $399 MSRP to over $450, and the unemployment rate is even lower than 2013, when we were just starting to recover from the crash. Assuming a $499 MSRP being a non-starter is not a slam dunk IMO.
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