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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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What? Why wouldn't Epic Games have Dev kits for the next gen consoles? These free to play games generate revenue via Microtransactions. They're gonna wanna be there day 1.
Someone buying their launch day console.might be interested in checking out how it plays and spending money.
Yeah. Also 4k120fps.
With the addition of variable refresh rate it would be pretty good even if the console couldn't always hit 120. Who knows if the platform will support.
he says its a dev kits and there's lots of versions of dev kits, totaly fake
I feel like Sony and Microsoft will have no problems "nudging" companies to put out next gen versions
It tends to matter most at the start of a generation when there's a sparse library of newer titles, and acts as a nice safety net for games you already own. A few years in it's less relevant, though still of value to some. It's also far from a new concept as the Atari 7800 played 2600 cartridges, and Sony had backward compatibility in both the PS2 and PS3. Microsoft's approach may be novel but the idea is far from it.
I do understand the desire and value proposition. I kept a 360 around and connected to play Rock Band: Beatles when I would have bought an Xbox One if it has been compatible with the game and associated hardware. I bought and played some PS1 titles on a PS2 for the first time since I never owned the original (notably FFVII and MGS.)
Thats a one sided way of thinking but hopefully you get what you're looking for in the ps5, I could never count someone out without seeing what they offer first though, especially when i know whatever company in question really doesn't give a shit about me just the numbers in my bank account. I hope both are great so everyone can be happy.
Yeah it gives me the confidence in the ecosystem that's required to make more digital purchases. Having a library of digital games marooned on one console doesn't feel great at all, especially when the console manufacturer eventually switches off the shop's servers effectively making that investment worthless (see the Wii and DSi). I second guess whether I want to buy a Switch game but I have no such hesitations with Xbox because of Microsoft's commitment to BC. I feel rewarded for staying in the Xbox ecosystem in ways I do not elsewhere and I hope that by setting such a high standard, Sony and Nintendo will feel forced to up their game in this field.
Somone (please) refresh my memory: on that 5 point CES PS5 slide, was BC one of the focal points?
If so, it might indicate that their BC solution will be more than, "well here you go".
If so, it might indicate that their BC solution will be more than, "well here you go".
I know it's a joke and all but all signs seem to point to SSD being a gamechanger for PS5 games.
I wish it was a vision that was taken more seriously earlier in the industry (for Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft), but I completely agree.
Yo if you play on an external hdd they're gonna embarrass you by having it say slow loading
It begins...
What, I don't know. But something has BEGUN! muahahahaha
Ok, I was about to get in on the businesses perceptive talk, but now.....
Thanks Flutter, lol
Hype intensifies....
I have no investment in the Xbox ecosystem and don't have interest in their games. I'm conservative with my money as well so I see no point in buying two consoles that play largely the same library of games. You'd be surprised by how many people only ever intend to own one console.
As a result I hope the PS5 is as good as the rumored Xbox is expected to be. That's all.
Stadia is 10.7TFlops (56 CU's) and a few insiders have suggested PS5 was above 10TF and close to Series X.
So if Series X really is 12TF, I'm guessing PS5 will end up around 10-11TF.
I see Bluepoint getting in on the action with another tease. I do love the run up to a new generation. :)
So if Series X really is 12TF, I'm guessing PS5 will end up around 10-11TF.
I see Bluepoint getting in on the action with another tease. I do love the run up to a new generation. :)
They also had a 5700XT as the ultimate 1440p GPU.
I totally agree. I only see two scenarios:
1) PS5 @499$, XSX @499$ and XSS somewhere lower than 400$.
2) PS5 @399$, XSX @399$ and XSS will never come out.
Any other option will be pretty bad for MS IMO. Obviously there is the 399$ PS5 and 499$ XSX option, but it will kill the next XBOX IMO. They are better off losing millions on hardware sales over being more expensive than the PS5 IMO.
Not quite.
PS2 had full PS1 BC and Sony never removed it. PS3 had PS1 and HW based PS2 BC in its launch SKUs because they included a PS2 (emotion engine) chip in the system. Eventually, they stopped making that SKU (to help reduce price) and instituted more limited SW based BC. With the slim model dropped it altogether. PS3 always had PS1 BC.
PS4 is the only PS console to never feature BC. Besides PS1 obviously.
Huge Souls fan here. As someone who never played much of Demon Souls, this tease has gone on long enough!
Cabbage Blue Vantage F1
Lmao
I think the biggest game changer for both next gen consoles will be super fast loading times and higher frame rates and hopefully 60 FPS as a standard not a luxury.
Even if Sony ends up having a faster SSD which is possible I still think both next gen consoles will have incredible loading times.
The way BC works on xbone, from my understanding, is that even if you have a physical disk, the game data and wrapper around it is still downloaded from the store. If the store is down or the game is removed or you've got no internet connection, how is that different from what nintendo did?(and I have no clue what nintendo did that's why I'm asking)
It sounds like the SSD is going to be a game changer for all games next gen.
True, but from a gaming enthusiast POV a large proportion will go multiformat. For me personally, I've always owned all consoles while maintaining a high-end PC as it ultimately gives me a choice.
Unfortunately, it's just not always feasible to do BC. Console dev tends to be very close to the metal GPU-wise, and while this time around it looks like AMD's gotten the BC working for their previous gen of GPUs on whatever's next, that won't always be the case. It seems like this is more like GCN++, rather than an entirely new architecture. For example, if we were going from AMD's Northern Islands to GCN, I doubt compatibility would have been considered.
Or in the case of PS3 -> PS4, where both the CPU architecture (Cell -> AMD x64) and GPU architectures (NVIDIA -> AMD) drastically changed, it was pretty much impossible without embedding a PS3.
I don't really foresee moving away from x64 anytime in the future, but GPU architectures are bound to change eventually. Unless consoles move to be more PC-like where final shader compilation is done at runtime (done much to the chagrin of PC games devs trying to optimize their games btw) BC will break eventually (outside of perhaps curated emulation).
I understand that's the POV of a gaming enthusiast. But that doesn't mean I'm not enthusiastic about gaming, either. I just choose to spend my money this way just the way you choose to as well. Not owning everything doesn't mean you aren't enthusiastic about something you enjoy. Lol
Wait what aren't you at Microsoft??
Edit: Amazon? Huh, I had no idea, just thought about how cool it was that someone at Microsoft talked so freely in this thread lol
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I remember being very letdown that the OG Xbox on 360 BC program was shutdown barely 2 years into the 360's life, especially with all the game breaking bugs on the games that were compatible. I was very sceptical when the 360 on Xbox One BC program was announced, expecting something similar but it blew away my expectations and they even brought back and improved the old Xefu emulator! I hope with XSX they can continue to make progress on bringing over more OG Xbox games as they hold up wonderfully in 4K.
I agree with the first part that it doesn't really matter before the reveal but should you not want to know the specs before they buy a system? That's how it works in his analogy
Then y reveal your console a year before lmao. Of course it leads to purchasing choice. Such a weird analogy to use a console with a movie 🤷♂️
Let me get this straight.
David "8K" Prien is surprised that people want to know specs?
David "8K" Prien
"8K"
Yeah. I was the marketing lead for that program. I try not to judge the team too harshly. Huge technical hurdles to overcome, a small team, and due to the primarily physical nature of the Xbox discs it was a program that had diminishing returns pretty quickly (meaning people stopped using it).
With Xbox One there were silicon decisions made to make BC with 360 easier, plus the state-of-the art in profiling tools and emulation had advanced. The current teams are much more robustly staffed and are some of the smartest and dedicated folks I had worked with. And lots of business tailwinds as well.
So times (and tech) have changed. Thanks to the pioneers on the OG compat for 360 for getting things started, although in hindsight things could have been better.
so sony will let MS have a cheaper console AND the most powerful console? that makes no sense. You keep talking about Phil as if you know what goes on in his head and yet you are literally telling sony to launch a console $100 more expensive than the sweet spot you described while losing the support of the enthusiasts that made them so successful.
so they lose either way. i am not sure if thats the best strategy for anyone.
Panelo is right. you dont care about what the competitor is doing and you put out the best console you can have for the price you can afford. if that means taking a $200 loss and launching a $399 console instead of a $499 one with a $100 loss, thats what they will do. but launching a gimped console on day 1 is simply not Sony's motto. and rumors from devs in the industry point to sony leading in performance. even windows central and brad sams and of course even Phil Spencer have been hesitant to claim the power crown. If the difference was 30%, Phil wouldve known by now. in reality, they are likely much closer to each other. maybe within a tflop or 5%. i mean he had no problems calling scorpio the most powerful console ever 6 months before the reveal of the pro based on devkit ps4 pro rumors.
see above. it simply doesnt make sense for sony to lose out on enthusiasts who buy at launch and spend $1,700 on average over the life of the console. AND give up the mainstream users who spend $700.
And Lockhart will worry sony for sure but not enough to change their plans. no one is gonna buy that weak console. especially not the day 1 buyers. its going to generate a lot of bad press from DF and MS of all companies know how internet forums and twitter can create mass hysteria with very little. thats if it launches on day 1 at all which i dont think it will seeing as how phil refuses to talk about it and devs are only just now finding out about it.
why would sony care then? lockhart would be like the switch or the wii u. a console aimed at an entirely different market.
and i did the math earlier. to get to 9 tflops with 36 CUs, you need to have a VERY expensive cooling solution and a GPU only 50mm2 smaller than the 407mm2 scarlett. you are not saving a $100 with the apu alone. it will need to be gutted just like the lcokhart. GPU half the size. Much much worse CPU. Smaller ram. Smaller ssd. not to mention money saved elsewhere like same controller, no 3d audio chip, no cooling system that is able to run the games at 2.0 ghz or even 1.8 ghz and 8 tflops.
Apols, didn't mean to say you weren't enthusiastic about your games :)
I think the signs point to Sony's solution being the better of the two, if I'm not mistaken
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