It was, but many of us have digital games and growing digital libraries, carrying them forward is a big deal to many.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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It was, but many of us have digital games and growing digital libraries, carrying them forward is a big deal to many.
That's why I fixed it. I have learned my lesson regarding specificity.
Too late, there's already 3 articles stating you confirmed ps5 9.4TF ;-)
I was taking about ps1 games they all played those. The first 80gb ones in the UK that came with MGS4 had software ps2 emulation but it was spotty
BC with PS4 matters dearly to me. My digital library is large and active.
So the one thing that keeps sticking out in my mind....
Well first let me preface by saying I don't care which system is more powerful I just enjoy trying to keep up with the discussion. I'm excited about both.
...is that regardless of whether the PS5 is 9.2, 10.5, 12.9, or 14 , whatever TF number you like the most. We still haven't seen evidence of a chip in the pipeline that matches anything beyond 9.2 right (Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken and missed something, the threads move fast)?
But just from following along it seems that most sensible people working at the 9.2 mark right now aren't arguing that a faster chip isn't possible or what we have seen is definitive, or that those test results are the be all end all, but simply that its all we have concrete evidence to support. Correct?
The time frame we have between expected announcements, going to production, and launch is closing pretty quickly is it not? I just feel like there would have to be something more concrete at this point if there was a bigger chip out there.
Again, I may have just missed something along the way and am open to further insight.
Well first let me preface by saying I don't care which system is more powerful I just enjoy trying to keep up with the discussion. I'm excited about both.
...is that regardless of whether the PS5 is 9.2, 10.5, 12.9, or 14 , whatever TF number you like the most. We still haven't seen evidence of a chip in the pipeline that matches anything beyond 9.2 right (Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken and missed something, the threads move fast)?
But just from following along it seems that most sensible people working at the 9.2 mark right now aren't arguing that a faster chip isn't possible or what we have seen is definitive, or that those test results are the be all end all, but simply that its all we have concrete evidence to support. Correct?
The time frame we have between expected announcements, going to production, and launch is closing pretty quickly is it not? I just feel like there would have to be something more concrete at this point if there was a bigger chip out there.
Again, I may have just missed something along the way and am open to further insight.
Fair enough.
I only remember PS3 had BC because the first games I put in it were Kingdom Hearts 2 & Snake Eater, and both looked crisper than they did on PS2.
I had canon cameras for a good few years and always found it confusing why it was difficult to directly compare with nikon models. They were often releasing models in certain price tiers Seemingly deliberately offset from each other, so one would have more megapixels one year, but if you were invested in lenses for the other you felt ok because you didn't have to wait long for an update form the other company
is this a deliberate product strategy when you have a small number of major players? Deliberat avoiding direct head to head product launches?
is this a deliberate product strategy when you have a small number of major players? Deliberat avoiding direct head to head product launches?
I think some models of the PS2 slim model did not have PS1 hardware so it's BC is more limited. This also causes some problems in PS2 games that used that hardware to get extra boost. I think Jak and Daxter games are such examples.
The more interesting thing would perhaps be confidence with 12 TF.
Got to keep in mind the rise of GaaS. BC going into this gen isn't the same as BC going into next gen.
Cause fortnite and all those other free to play games aren't going to have a next gen version for a good while after release if ever. It allows people to keep playing their games as a service on new hardware. People are playing the same games for lots lots longer now than last gen.
I think this is a great example. Direct competition is rarely preferred option.
Tell us, if you are speculating or have real insider info.
A very fair point which I did not consider but is the average consumer really going to jump into PS5 to play the same games the same way they've been playing them since 2013?
The rise of the digital age has increased the relevancy of BC, but I hope Sony takes a page out of Microsoft's book. I love BB to death but I don't want to play it in 1080p/30fps on a device capable of 4k/120fps. Maybe Sony will get a pass in the way that Nintendo sometimes does almost like industry rewarding them for finally catching up.
I agree, somehow I'm struggling to see Sony positioning themselves to be a cheap budget option for hardware just for the sake of arbitrary price, and let's not kid ourselves 399 for tech at the end of 2020 will already be a very budget price.
Fortnite isn't going to get a next gen version? They ported it to literally everything that can render it. Porting it to next gen consoles using PC parts is trivial for Epic.
I don't intend to ever own an Xbox console so I hope Somy knocks it out of the park and offers something comparable to Xbox in power and performance.
I never knew that. I remember there being some ps2 games that were broken on late ps2s, but not ps1. Then again, I would have stopped caring about ps1 BC by then, so not surprising. Going to have to go look this up hah.
Why wont fortnite get a next gen release? Serious question
I've been in this business for a LONG time and there is an emotional aspect of Back Compat that is often overlooked, and it's around customer trust and good faith with the brand and the technology. When was the last time you played a DVD (assuming you have a DVD library), yet you would be completely turned off by a DVD-like format that didn't play the older discs.
It shows that companies respect the investment that customers have made, and are willing to not try and think past their needs. Maybe they won't actually play the games but they might LIKE to play the games at some point. Or, maybe during the launch period when new release are slow (or maybe they have friends who haven't upgraded their consoles) it doesn't isolate people from playing with their friends.
And absolutely true that digital libraries change the dynamic hugely.
So it's true that there is a lack of BC uses as the generation goes on, but I have always believed that it's critical to building a long-term platform. I think it was really smart of Xbox to invest heavily there, and I think it's smart of Sony to start investing here too.
I absolutely think that a robust PS4 back-compat strategy will get people to buy a PS5 faster. Christmas and Birthdays come every year, and if all I need to enjoy my old games AND my new games is a single HW purchase, that's an easy choice.
BC won't matter because people will use it.
BC will matter because of sense of ownership.
I'm going to miss my 4tb usb drive on my PS4 when I switch over.
SSDs are well and good. But I've pretty much got every game I'd play downloaded.
It makes it fun to be like "oh maybe I'll play this"
Rather than download for hours since I've only got 150mbps download.
SSDs are well and good. But I've pretty much got every game I'd play downloaded.
It makes it fun to be like "oh maybe I'll play this"
Rather than download for hours since I've only got 150mbps download.
Even if the github rumours point to the contrary, I trust Klee and I think Ps5 will be north of 10,7 Tflops (Since according to Screier both Microsoft and Sony were aiming to beat Stadia's performance).
So I'd say it'd be 10,7 Tflops at its lowest or 13Tflops at its highest (since Klee said Ps5 had a slight edge over Scarlett). I'd be very surprised if Sony managed to get 13Tflops on their machine and extremely curious at the size or design of their chip and thermals and air flow of the console as well.
$499 machine, of course
So I'd say it'd be 10,7 Tflops at its lowest or 13Tflops at its highest (since Klee said Ps5 had a slight edge over Scarlett). I'd be very surprised if Sony managed to get 13Tflops on their machine and extremely curious at the size or design of their chip and thermals and air flow of the console as well.
$499 machine, of course
Nope, just going by the current rumors. What other number would I use? :)
What if they could do 1440p120? Don't some of those new LG OLEDs support 120Hz over HDMI?
How is it unnecessary? I gave my opinion about how I'd like PS5 performance to be compared to Xbox because I don't plan to own both.
Some of you have weird hang ups about people not wanting to go all in on a hobby and own everything, especially when said out loud. You take it as a personal affront or something. I didn't even put Xbox down, as I clearly propped it up in my post as I expect it to be a pretty good console.
As mentioned the emotional part is nice for consumers which is something Sony's 'for the players' marketing would work well with
also BC can help transition to the new generation as users can safely sell their console to offset the cost. that can have a knock on effect of more used consoles in the market reducing prices and bribing on more of the price conscious users to your 'old' machine but they're also potential long tail next gen customers too
and for cloud gaming having a single box covering multiple generations of hardware can make your server racks much simpler
also BC can help transition to the new generation as users can safely sell their console to offset the cost. that can have a knock on effect of more used consoles in the market reducing prices and bribing on more of the price conscious users to your 'old' machine but they're also potential long tail next gen customers too
and for cloud gaming having a single box covering multiple generations of hardware can make your server racks much simpler
Are you casually confirming but not really confirming 9.2 tf for PS5?
Don't answer! Let people go crazy speculating.
Not saying it won't but it probably won't be at launch and that was only an example. There will be a lot of gaas games that won't go to next gen in the first couple of years of next gen .
LOL
I am not an insider. I'm not in a position to "confirm" anything. I try to offer commentary based on my experience in the industry. :)
For ps5 games, yeah, I'll miss that too. Though I usually just play 1 or 2 games at any given time.
For ps4, there's no reason that we know of, for games to not work off external drives on ps5.
spinfoil hat on
Is bluepoint making a medieval game? Demon's souls has knights and castles and stuff, right?
Yup. Sony already confirmed cross play between ps4 and ps5.
I mean I definitely get all of this. It makes total sense. But the vibe I'm getting is that Sony having BC is some sort of gamechanger. As I stated many times, people who care about BC shouldnt just be happy playing the same games the same way. Microsoft raised the bar and Sony should follow and be criticized for not doing so (if so, course)
Maybe this reaction is sort of a "thank God" moment which I can certainly understand given Jim's Ryan's 2017 comments.
You end on a good point. When it gets going (like most systems) the PS5 is going to be awesome. But many consoles rarely start out that way. In fact, I didnt think there was a piece of software worth owning on the PS4 until 2015 and the inclusion of BC would not have swayed my hand.
My point is that Sony's BC strategy will flat if they cant get the heavy hitters year day one 'switch-like".
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