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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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That's basically been my logic for why I think Sony would go for the $399 pricepoint, and because MS is most likely going the two console approach that they would most likely have a more powerful console (and a less powerful one) at pricepoints that match that as that has worked for them in recent years (and not being hamstrung by Kinect).
Agreed, particularly when we factor in inflation. $499 in 2020 is equivalent to $445 in 2013 and $391 in 2006. $499 is not some hugely problematic price-point for remotely good console technology in 2020. A $499 10+TF (let alone 12+ TF) console with an SSD in 2020 is actually very good value IMO.
Me and you both know why only he was being piled upon. I find it very hard to believe that a forum which is known by so many well established devs/industry leaders don't have information about these consoles. There's a reason why no one ever bothers to engage in comparison because like Geis said it's poking the hornets nest.
Honestly, I'm still pretty curious to know how the development of Lockhart has gone. There is some resistance with regards to this whole concept, hence the constant death and revival of the said SKU. I know we've been told plenty of times its going to replicate everything to the tee just at a lower resolution. But, I have a very hard time buying into it.
The activity in these threads have picked up so much since last March. It was still all too threadbare, with most of discussion revolving around 'SSD is too bloody expensive for consoles', '8TF is maximum we are getting'. MS have just gone out and confirmed all the things people thought was impossible is very much possible at past TGA.
I'm only baffled by the resistance to the idea that Sony are capable of matching that. I mean that is understandable if they are boxed in on a $399 SKU, but we have heard precisely zero murmurings from journalists or devs about that. It's all been about how close they are. We are just running in circles at this point and rehashing old arguments. It's gonna continue for a while too, until the next wired article drops or we have a PS meeting.
Wages havent increased significantly, and aside from phones (which are subsidized or paid on installment thru contracts) consumer electronic prices seem to mostly be going down. I dont think people who can buy a 4k tv for 300 are going to care about inflation when staring down a 500 price tag
Im not a market analyst, is there some key fact im missing here?
And yet games mostly stick to 60$. Last two TVs I bought nominally costed the same. Inflation doesn't mean people are willing to spend nominally more.
I am not a market analyst either but you make an interesting point about stagnant wages. There is a growing wage gap and income equality is not good in the US.
You're assuming that the only reason people had to buy PS4 or PS2 was and still is the arbitrary price of 399. That is ludicrous and frankly stupid. There are multiple reasons that go into it and the power is one of them (a very important one if you look at popularity of channels like DF). If according to you targeting a 399 price is a guaranteed path to success are you saying Xbox is releasing at 399 too and if not are you saying they lost to Sony already?
Yep. It's really hard for me to believe Sony would only put out a premium console for 499-599. 599 would be ballsy and from what I understand, a 12 TF console would be around that price point
This gen has showed the opposite .
People are more than willing to pay for something once they see value.
PS4 will have the highest ASP of any Sony console .
I mean it's still $299 5 years later .
Also we not talking about late buyers we talking about first year ones and the price will go down like usual afterwards .
Nah people in here are thinking these parts cost to much .
I always thought that the PS5 will be a $499 console. Those Cerny comments described a powerful console with a price that will reflect that. Sure Sony wants to get the fastest transition in a console generation so $399 would be better price but PS a brand is currently the strongest it ever was so even a $599 console would probably beat the XSX...
But I don't think MS has to or needs to win the next generation to be content. As long as they have their subs/xCloud/PC gaming a "good" generation is all they need.
But I don't think MS has to or needs to win the next generation to be content. As long as they have their subs/xCloud/PC gaming a "good" generation is all they need.
What's to say Sony doesn't take a hit on the hardware, with all the money they made from this generation, to make it powerful but still not stupidly expensive ? The same way Microsoft will probably have to take a hit on the Series X because it's going to be pretty expensive if it's 12TF.
I've been thinking, So the xbox series s gonna be 4 TF (rumours) so 1/3 of the series x. Well if they target 4k on the series x, 1/3 of 4K is 1440p. So the series s targets 1440p. And if the cpu, ssd and all but the gpu are the same. Then making games for both would not require much work at all. Maybe that's why the rumour is saying 4TF for the series s easy porting. The series s is also gonna be faster and better then the xbox one x. The series s is also gonna become a cheap and good 4k/ media player option. The more I think about it the more I think that the series s is really a good move from microsoft
From my perspective these TFlops number don't matter. Why ? Because the multiplat game will be equal or near equal with better comfort on two side. Less loading time on PS5 or better RT on xbox. But the game will be in the same spot globally. For the first party game the dev will pushed the hardware to the limit and deliver. The ps5 at 9tflops with the CPU and SSD side will be a huge gap with actual gen.
A $599 consoles already tied with MS 15 plus years ago and that was with them being late .
They will have no problem selling a $500 consoles in the first year 15 years later .
I would 100% agree with this if not for PS4 Pro. The reality is that the price point is a functino of a number of things. One of them is the life cycle of the current console. If your sales are dropping rapidly, you want to target a mainstream price (when consoles usually launch at $399) to capture a new market quickly and make-up for drop in sales.
However, the situation now is very different because PS4 Pro extended the cycle considerably. Furthermore, PS4 is still selling at $299 meaning that Sony can further boost sales and smooth the cycle by dropping it to $249/$199 (PS4 right now most likely has a very high degree of pricing elasticity).
In this case, the siutation is different. It doesn't mean they'd launch at $499, but it's more likely than last time.
I made nearly the same argument here in April. I totally agree.
Except console prices haven't nearly kept up with inflation. The intellivision was $299 in 1978, the 2600 was $199 in 1977. This is a great chart -
If consoles kept up with inflation we'd have $700 - $800 consoles today depending on what you wanted to use as a benchmark.
Even still at 2% year inflation growth, $299 in 2016 (when the Pro launched) is only ~ $312 today.
But Sony also said officially that they want people to get a PS5 faster than ever. BC is a way to achieve it, but price is another easy way. They will sell a lot, even at a 500$ price point, but it seems to contradict one of their claim.
In fact, maybe the price point itself isn't that important, but selling your console 100$ less than your direct competitor would be the better way to make sure people won't even think about what console they need to buy.
This is what I suspect is the plan. The two Xboxs could very well behave like the Switch in docked vs portable mode. You've got nearly identical CPU performance, nearly identical memory speeds, and the GPU is there to meet the resolution goals. If the development kits were built really well for this type of situation it could make development even easier than it currently is with the Xbox One S and the X. In that case you've got very different CPU speeds, memory bandwidth, etc.
What about Mark Cerny's comments then to be prepared for a more premium offering?
They can move consoles faster in many ways be it price , shipping more ,software , BC and even deals .
Also the mistake some people in here making is thinking MS and Sony brand even they are not in most parts of the world.
EDIT right now MS system much cheaper than Sony and it still don't sell well in EU.
Or Kenichiro Yoshida saying it was a system for niche system for hardcore gamers
1440p isn't 1/3, it's slightly less than 1/2 the pixel count.
Is this official or a render based on the ports that were revealed? I'm assuming the latter.
I don't remember honestly, as I wasn't originally interested in the mid-gen refreshes.
Man, woke up to a hugely expanded thread, expected leaks, got feels instead.
O shit.
O shit.
A 9 TF console is still an incredible console though. In his mind a 9TF console with whatever else Sony is packing in the console could still be exactly what he said.
And everyyone who says they are close just blowing smoke? the person who interviewed cerny for wired got the impression the price was going to be higher then $399
I genuinely love that design and form factor, ronseal.
Ahh, I don't know either but would be a good way to look at the terminology they used around that device and how it differs or compliments what they've been saying about the PS5.
Ok but... Couldn't you turn that around for Xbox too?
Here's another thought experiment: You're the CEO of Xbox. You're about to decide whether you are targeting $400 or $500. At the moment, you're lagging well behind your competitor. Your previous base console, not as successful as you might have hoped, was targeting $500.
How ballsy would you have to be to adopt the exact strategy the landed you in second place again?
I would need to understand what they mean by close, and what specs they were looking at when they say close.
The most i remember them saying is it's for the hardcore and to stop them from going to PC since power gap was getting bigger .
You seem to be fixated on a PS% must be 9TF (max) narrative come what may. At least allow that other people may think differently in a speculation thread
Well Matt said he considered close to be 15% or less, if you think Series x is 12tf and you clearly do the lowest possible in that scenario is 10.2TF
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