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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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People who think they know anything about spec sheets and timelines should really pay more attention to this post.This theory has never made any sense because it isn't how target specs work. Developers aren't running numbers on what is in the devkits
Here is an example of target specs. This was leaked in April 2004, over a year before the 360 was even announced and was certainly available to developers a few months before that
More details in narrative form leaked a short time later: https://web.archive.org/web/20040705082242/http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=231928
Sure, the clock speed changed the RAM amount but beyond that everything was well known and communicated to developers
Something like a fantasy gcn->navi FLOPS conversion would make more sense in a document like the one below explaining dev kit differences, not target specs. Note: the new dev kits described within (with a wildly different architecture) weren't delivered until like August or September 2005 (and the clockspeed changed again). The console launched in November 2005
(many people here will probably remember this as it circulated widely ahead of 360 announcement)
They were working on completely different hardware but it doesnt change that everyone knew the 360 specs
You can see the same with the Orbis/Durango leaks, though the timeline was a little later with those. The target specs were very detailed and only clocks and ram ever changed
"Insiders" are being vague only because they want/need to be, or they haven't really seen the target specs and have 2nd hand info. There isn't a scenario where someone has the target specs and is confused because the devkits are old (other than minor changes)
edit: and if I were a bettin' man I'd say Kleegamefan has some shit like this.
I trust Klee but I am curious how these specs could be tracked to him when thousands of people probably already have them. I don't care if he reveals them, I'm just curious.
Of course not. It's getting tiresome to read this again and again.
CPU may impact framerate when a game is CPU limited which is a rather rare case even on current gen systems.
On next gen systems, with their 8C/16T Zen2 CPUs and 4K output targets, with real time RT and stuff, most games will be solely GPU limited.
Maybe different specs are given to different people so if they leak they can narrow down who did it lol.
Tough call, but I am not sure knowing specs on either of them is going to be as important as other factors. For example, if it was me making that decision it would depend more on what I currently have and how important things like high refresh rate, 4k, and HDR are to me. After I determined what was important to me it would depend on how much money it would cost to get me there.
Because the info might give away the source's identity.
For example, we know both MS and Sony are increasing clocks at the moment. they are in the middle of testing where the clocks actually might get downgraded.
So what if klee's source has the exact number. Say, 12.56 tflops. Klee or Matt post it on their behalf and Boom, now Sony knows which version of the devkit or spec got leaked. What if Sony gave slightly different specs to all developers. this happens all the time. one team gets 12.64 tflops, one gets 12.56. whoever leaks the correct amount is the one that gets in trouble.
Klee has already given us info on where the PS5 is. He said he expected the xbox to be 12 tflops and that he is standing by what he said about the ps5 being slightly more powerful. what more can he say at this point without giving away his source?
What if the PS5 is using HBM but only a few devs have it. most devs didnt know about the 8gb of vram until the reveal. what if they are still on gddr6 and only the first party devs have hbm. if klee reveals HBM with a specific bandwidth number, his source is fucked.
same goes for ssd speeds. what if sony sent slightly different ssd speeds to everyone. one got 5.1 gbps. the other 5.2. you simply dont know what game they are playing.
time to harass matt and drive him out of this thread.
edit: sorry for dp.
Depends. Depending on what dev kits are at what developers at what point, it could be possible to pinpoint who was divulging some information.
I get where he is coming from - it's not worth lost friendships or someone's career.
In the end, it won't matter as we will all find out the information eventually. We are not entitled to everything now, we can be patient.
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Thanks for explaining this for those who don't know, unfortunately I don't think they will read it or if they do they'll just choose to handwave it away.
So far nothing has turned out to prove Klee is wrong though.
The github leak most feel is not accurate of the final specs of PS5, until we have official word neither Klee nor the other insiders claiming that the consoles are very, very close in power are invalidated.
Agree. If I were an insider I'd error on the side of being conservative with information sharing.
Has anything he had said turned out to be right? I'm not trying to be glib, I'm legitimately asking.
I feel like this has to be a parody at this point.
He said both are 10+
Like, months ago.
They're gonna give thousands of people different variations of specs?
Did we not just get done saying everybody already knows the specs as of like 2 years ago lol
How could you possibly track back to a single person
It's not hard, just be a developer. Recognize the game Klee described as the one you are working on. Remember that one of your co-workers is still friends with some guy who wrote for Gamefan, K... something. Lee?
There's been a weird feedback loop where people don't believe Klee because he doesn't reveal enough details, so he reveals more making it easier to figure out who the source is so he can't reveal more details.
It's not a matter of the general public figuring it out, it's the people close to the dev or Klee figuring it out and telling the wrong person.
He really hasn't said anything so he can't be proven wrong.
And he was adamant on Lockhart not being a thing and it is, so....
How about we don't need to know and stop with the thread derailment? :)
Your uncle works for a console? Bah, come back when you hear from your aunt who works for SIE 😜
This is straight up misinformation. There a numerous threadmarks with all the things he said.
for my vote
yes, he called double-digit TF, VRS, both already confirmed for XSX.
The second option will be an easy win for Sony. They will still win the next gen with either of these two approaches.
i mean if you ignore everything i said then yeah how indeed.
Thanks for the reading material.
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|OT10| - Klee died for our bins.
It's already been covered on recent pages that he claimed Lockhart wasn't happening, but now it appears it definitely is happening.
Also, do you really think someone would request a ban right before their moment of vindication? We don't know definitively that the Series X is 12tf and more powerful than the PS5, but all signs appear to be pointing in that direction right now, and odds are very good we're going to get that final confirmation very soon.
AFAIK he has said both will be over 10TF. We still don't know if that's true for the PS5 in particular. He said the PS5 is about 7% more powerful than the XSX. Again, we don't know that.
Anyways, he's gone now so hopefully this thread can turn to a better place.
lol now you've soon written some kind of hollywood movie script
If it's important, just make things easy for yourself and assume that Sony has the most powerful hardware until it's proven otherwise. Done. ;)
Seriously though, most here will have both consoles anyway before the generation ends so I don't understand why things are getting so heated that people feel like they have to leave the place. And MS won't throw in the towel even if PS5 is 20TF now that they're committed for real, next gen will be awesome for Xbox fans either way. And Sony will still dominate even with a 6TF console and release awesome first party games. And in the end it's just toys. It's not the end of the world.
Where are you getting the 7% from? He never gave any number as far as power differential goes afaik.
So he did in fact say things that can be proven one way or another. Obviously we don't know the accuracy of almost anything in these threads because it's speculation and unverified leaks. Claiming anyone is or is not reliable at this point isn't meaningful.
If he thinks Xbox is 12 tf and his source says ps5 is more powerful.. Than he is claiming its greater than 12 tf?
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