Why are we treating this dude like he's a 9/11 first responder or something.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Why are we treating this dude like he's a 9/11 first responder or something.
This is embarrassing. Please stop.
Oooh! Good eye! So if Sony was planning on revealing the PS5, right after the quarterly earnings report would fall right in line with 2013. So we should be hearing about the invites fairly soon!
How would saying the specs harm his friend? I mean I am sure his friend is not the only one with the specs. I dunno to me it just seems like he prolly doesn't know them. I don't see how the specs can get traced back to anyone.
No one is doing this. This is a super asinine response.
People really don't understand that NDAs come with very real financial and legal consequences, do they? Taking a risk like that for a forum would be downright stupid regardless of how likely you are to get caught.
I'm sure you thought this was a lot funnier in your mind than in the execution.
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Man here we are again, an insider comes on Era, gives info, one side can't take their console is going to be weaker than the other and go out their way to drive the dude off.
But fuck it, life is all good. Klee is gone but at least we got Colbert and BlueBalls, the real pillars of next gen threads on Era.
But fuck it, life is all good. Klee is gone but at least we got Colbert and BlueBalls, the real pillars of next gen threads on Era.
A couple of things people keep repeating:
1. Oberon at 2GHz would have bad yields and run very hot.
Yeah, it would. But it would be a good configuration for a devkit(and those devkits look like it's probable). It would be slightly more powerful, which is common. But if PS5 run at 1800-1850, it would be 8,28-8,51 TF. And given 1.25 RDNA to GCN performance ratio, it would hit 10.35-10.63 GCN TF, right around Stadia target.
2. Oberon leaks do not mention hardware raytracing.
For me this is the strongest argument against the leak, but it is probably just missing information/too early in the process. PS5 will have hardware-based RT, it has been confirmed multiple times officially. I think that expecting customized chips is silly, they will run with whatever AMD has, exactly as MS.
3. PS at 9.2TF(not even mention 8.5) would be too weak.
This is crazy. Even 8.5 is twice PS4 Pro in raw flops and probably more like 2.5 in performance and that's before you even include CPU and SSD. We're talking here around 5 original PS4 in raw flops and even more in performance. X360 had around 240MF to Xbox 1 1.3TF after clock increase. Precisely the same distance.
4. Insiders/devs say they're the same.
Devs often don't see all the picture(PS4 RAM story) and early devkits do not necessarily represent final hardware. People don't have to lie - they might just be wrong. We will soon know for sure, but at the moment I see how MS is communicating and I don't think they would do it that way if they weren't really comfortable when it comes to power. Sony mentions a lot of innovations in materials(audio, SSD, haptics etc.), which suggests they want to position as holistic, balanced device, which would fit the PS4 narrative. That would also suggest they are repeating the strategy that worked(and PS4 was quite similar in terms of power to what 8.5TF PS5 would be). The only difference is that now competition will not have weaker and more expensive device and I do not predicts any weird policies warranting backlash.
1. Oberon at 2GHz would have bad yields and run very hot.
Yeah, it would. But it would be a good configuration for a devkit(and those devkits look like it's probable). It would be slightly more powerful, which is common. But if PS5 run at 1800-1850, it would be 8,28-8,51 TF. And given 1.25 RDNA to GCN performance ratio, it would hit 10.35-10.63 GCN TF, right around Stadia target.
2. Oberon leaks do not mention hardware raytracing.
For me this is the strongest argument against the leak, but it is probably just missing information/too early in the process. PS5 will have hardware-based RT, it has been confirmed multiple times officially. I think that expecting customized chips is silly, they will run with whatever AMD has, exactly as MS.
3. PS at 9.2TF(not even mention 8.5) would be too weak.
This is crazy. Even 8.5 is twice PS4 Pro in raw flops and probably more like 2.5 in performance and that's before you even include CPU and SSD. We're talking here around 5 original PS4 in raw flops and even more in performance. X360 had around 240MF to Xbox 1 1.3TF after clock increase. Precisely the same distance.
4. Insiders/devs say they're the same.
Devs often don't see all the picture(PS4 RAM story) and early devkits do not necessarily represent final hardware. People don't have to lie - they might just be wrong. We will soon know for sure, but at the moment I see how MS is communicating and I don't think they would do it that way if they weren't really comfortable when it comes to power. Sony mentions a lot of innovations in materials(audio, SSD, haptics etc.), which suggests they want to position as holistic, balanced device, which would fit the PS4 narrative. That would also suggest they are repeating the strategy that worked(and PS4 was quite similar in terms of power to what 8.5TF PS5 would be). The only difference is that now competition will not have weaker and more expensive device and I do not predicts any weird policies warranting backlash.
No insider has ever been "lost" because they were too accurate with the things they share. They only go away when they've gone too far in making claims about things they didn't know to be true, and it ended up backfiring on them. That's when they leave.
If someone were truly confident in their sources they would be sticking around for their moment of vindication when the final specs are confirmed. If they were not confident they'd get out sooner rather than later, because the moment everything is 100% confirmed the house of cards comes collapsing down around them, and no one wants to stick around for that moment. That's the moment when people begin quoting old posts, and pointing out you were wrong about this, this, this, and this.
Someone who has provided us much joy and given us information when he didn't need to is choosing the self ban option and won't be part of the community until he chooses to return, if at all. Not unreasonable to want to say goodbye to such a person.
Sad? No. Disappointed? Hell yeah. Tired of fanboys running rampant and causing insiders to leave due to their stupidity.
This as absolutely ridiculous. The absolute lack of empathy in this thread is shocking.
You're a cool dude! You definitely have a place here whenever/if you decide to come back.
Besides, you wouldn't want Era going crazy speculating on which game you saw, would you? Because we will!
Thanks for everything, Klee.
Your post is literally what drives insiders away, please just stop. Basically telling people who know how the industry works FAR better than you "this is how you should be acting, this is what you should be telling me, I know better than you what is and isn't acceptable to post" is just asinine.
Lol. Klee says he's leaving and a bunch of children come out of the woodwork to try to discredit him. As sad as it is predictable.
Empathy for an internet stranger who is leaving the forum of his own free will? Why?
Which is wild, because before that... what now seems like a nuclear bomb... dropped, him talking about the game seen running on PS5 hardware wasn't an issue.
All the lil info we got was fine until that. After that, you could literary hear the clanking of the warrior armor.
And its sad. One can literally go back thru the OTs from day one ....as in OT1, before the threads were merged....and see the ebb n flow of the discussion and see folks true colors. To this day.
To be fair, it didn't just happen to Klee. It happened to folks with Xbox info too. It just seems so prolonged, extra with what's happening to Klee.
For folks in their position, I wanna thank him and Matt for trying to keep the speculation, discussion open for debate and not so one sided. And that's with Matt and his educated guess about the Series X being more powerful. There's always room for debate, no matter what some ppl think.
Hmm, I posted the back button for the DS4 is supposed to be available Feb 4 from Best Buy, I'll take this for the PS Meeting, lol.
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As if the way certain posters are behaving wasn't a big part of it, come on now...
Yeah stop beeing nice to other people.
Thank you Klee, for all the info you provided us with, we would probably still be at OT 6 without you.
And to some people here, there is more in life then console specs.
It just doesn't really add up at this point to be anything beyond these 2 basic scenarios.
- Xbox Series X approximately 12.X+TF ($499) > PS5 12.XTF ($499) - This is the one where Klee has somehow had the goods on the whole situation for both platform holders from his 3rd party developer buddy from the beginning, but I would still expect after seeing the form factor and gigantic SOC that Xbox will tweak clocks as necessary to achieve a paper raw processing crown given their messaging about power.
- Xbox Series X approximately 12TF ($499) > PS5 9.2TF ($399) - Sony targeted a cheaper launch price and power balance because they aren't doing a 2 SKU approach at launch, and this may be their best business decision ultimately.
Having empathy for strangers should be a standard, normal behavior.
I agree with everything here. A roughly 8.5-9 TF console (which seems more and more likely) is a great console for a supposed 399 price. The only reason people will act like it's "bad" is because it's going to be directly compared to the stronger console.
I also think the early marketing for both consoles is incredibly telling. Xbox is marketing power and speed, literally giving actual specs in terms of tera flops numbers, and is showing off their chip. They're clearly very proud of it.
PS5 hasn't marked anything in terms of power. They didn't list a "powerful GPU" as one of their 5 things at CES. It's telling, people don't want to believe it right now but when the specs are unveiled the picture will become clear.
I have one question before you go Klee
is it
kah-lee like "glee" with a k instead of g
or
kay-lee
is it
kah-lee like "glee" with a k instead of g
or
kay-lee
That doesn't seem logical but you could just omit that part... Not that complicated.
Lol I work at a software firm I know how NDAs work... I am saying some things cannot be traced back to him. How are the specs going to be traced back to 1 specific person?? plz tell me...makes no sense. The most likely and simplest explanation is that he doesn't know them.
Klee is gone like a prince and he will come back like a king!
Devs have target specs, those are shared early in the sharing info process. This was talked a million times by now and you guys keep talking about devkit performances/hardware.
I hope he answers that cause that's gonna haunt me now. I always assumed it was the first way.
Ironically, I am an Alaska state certified EMT II
It's a requirement of mine rescue, which I am a member of.
Not giving you shit, I just thought that was funny.
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If something happened to him sure, but he is just leaving the forum, he did not have some personal tragedy.
Holy moly
This entire time I've been reading everyone's posts as "Klee" like one continuous word. This changes everything
Ah, so you're just straight up calling him a liar. Awesome.
If someone steps up to the plate and claims to have insider information the onus is on them from that moment forward. No one made someone become an insider, they chose to take on that label because they wanted to tell us stuff supposedly no one else knows. When the "insider" things they claimed turn out to be not true, well, this is the outcome.
I have a friend who works for a pretty big development studio. He occasionally tells me things that no one in the public knows, but you won't see me here talking about it. If you decide to play that game, and you like the attention and start getting carried away with the things you claim, well, it tends to not end well.
I get the mindshare argument, but I do feel that MS might have talked about the next generation a bit too early. I wonder what X1X sales would have been like if they had waited. I know I almost did not buy my X because I thought it was a dead console (deep discounts pried my wallet open lol). Confidence in what comes next is good, but the timing made me feel maybe they were being a bit more cocky than they should be. Seeing the technology leaps we're talking about, I can definitely understand their excitement, though.
And 100% agreed that this upcoming generation will be a win for gamers. I particularly hope that we will start seeing even more acceleration in capabilities over time now that the concept of generations has some cracks in it.
Ciao Kleegamefan, all the info you gave in this thread drove a lot of discussion. Some good, some bad, but that's the nature of this forum. Don't let few fanboys affect your enjoyment of participation. Drop back in whenever you feel like.
Until then take care. Have a blast with your family!
Until then take care. Have a blast with your family!
Just know that you assuring us that the github numbers and the actual PS5 specs don't match was much needed by people here, including myself. I'm going crazy in here and I have no clue when we'll get answers.
LOL wow now you're just making shit up. What has be been proven wrong on? All he's done is refuse to give any more info and say we have to wait for full reveals. You really should just stop.
Hey, that's pretty cool dude. EMT's never get the props that they should! Cheers!
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